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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:51:00 -
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bf4 was example, because its only game where stats is easy to check. But publishers of games have it about each game. And how it seems - consoles is better market than PC, because some games even dont port to PC.
MMO is the last bastion of PC, but not for long. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:51:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote: You need to take a step back and reevaluate your own arguments because your logic goes by numbers and if we go by numbers, consoles would be dead too because of the insane numbers of mobile devices like smart phones and tablets.
For current moment mobile devices is not competitor for consoles. Its different type of games, and different people.
For the moment, no, but considering how fast technology moves (look at Nvidia's Tegra K1 for example) it won't be long.
Realize that future generations are not going to play console games, they play on tablets. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:55:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote: For the moment, no, but considering how fast technology moves (look at Nvidia's Tegra K1 for example) it won't be long.
Realize that future generations are not going to play console games, they play on tablets.
I have PC, tablet PC, smatphone, ps vita, ps3 and ps4.
In fact i have no installed games on PC, tablet PC and smartphone, because it is total uncomfortable to play games if compare it with special gaming devices - consoles. Just comfort and nothing more - made my choice. (And cheaters on PC a little )
Touchscreen is terrible for controls in games.
So future is undefined. We will see. |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn
562
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:09:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:if you, sometime, will release the Legion on ps4
I mean dont do cross-platform gaming PC and ps4 in one room.
We want no cheaters when we play on our consoles. We left PC platform because there is cheaters (not so many of them, but everywhere) everywhere.
All PC's multiplayer games ruined by cheaters of any kind.
You already made big mistake with support mouse+keyboard and gamepads in one time. Dont make bigger mistake. strongly against ur post
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:32:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Buster Friently wrote:dalt ud wrote:All of you will alfa and beta testers, and when project will ready - it will released on ps4 (or Xone). And its only way to success for CCP. PC as gaming platform almost dead.
But it will mistake if CCP will make crossgaming PC and console.
They didt balance mouse vs gampad in dust514. I dont believe they will make good balance platform vs platform. Plus problem of cheaters.
Dude, you need to just quit. PC gaming almost dead? Here: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ and that's just Steam. Here's an article about where the money iscurrently coming from: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/Gaming companies are in the business to make money. They will follow the money, which right now means more emphasis on PC and Mobile than consoles. Here's the deal regarding the future, no one knows, but there's a reason that Microsoft went all "entertainment console" with the XBone. You want to know why? It's because the console market is currently being squeezed from both sides. If any market is about to implode, it's consoles as dedicated gaming platforms. You have mobile squeezing from the low cost, casual gamer side (the traditional console market BTW) and PC as ever squeezing from the "hardcore" more expensive side. This leaves consoles in the awkward middle with nowhere to go. This is why you're seeing a resurgence in PC gaming now (at least those of us with PCs are) and a relative stagnation in the console market. The burn hasn't really hit the console market too bad yet, but give it a year or two. Every time you see some company port their game to Android or IPhone, you should be worried. That's your market being eroded in front of your eyes. ps3 and x360 it is 140 millions units. ps4 will more popular than ps3 Its fact - gaming companies have aim to consoles and PC is second target. Even Blizzard made console version of Diablo. Battlefield 3 - consoles players (ps3+x360) was twice more than PC battlefield 4 - almost x4 more players on consoles, just see current online players on http://bf4stats.com/Current online of bf4: PC - 28,860 PS3 - 31,544 360 - 24,568 xbone - 21,671 ps4 - 43,685 So yes, PC gaming has big problems now.
Total PCs in the world? http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/703807 Something northward of a billion, maybe as much as two billion. Granted, they aren't all gamer PCs. In fact most aren't.
Some player number stats for you: current - peak (24hr) - game 489,703796,689 Dota 2 122,284160,519 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 62,30468,162 Football Manager 2014 43,95776,604 Team Fortress 2 37,87053,518 Sid Meier's Civilization V 32,29344,902 DARK SOULSGäó II 28,45642,089 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25,62146,752 Garry's Mod 24,01432,268 Counter-Strike 22,60632,385 DayZ
You kind of have it backward. It is true that since the PS3/XB360 consoles have been the primary target. PC gamers have been getting poorly made console ports since then of major AAA games. Despite this, PC gaming has actually taken off, and didn't die back then as many predicted. Even though consoles were eating the low end out of the PC game market, a few interesting things happened and PC games not only survived, but have recently surpassed console games in terms of money making. So PC gaming is having a resurgence, it is not in decline.
Now, mobile is eating the low end out of consoles. It doesn't matter what kind of games exist in mobile, only how much money there is to be made. When consoles were eating at the PC market, the games were getting dumbed down and some genres almost disappeared entirely. This is exactly what is happening, and will continue to happen to consoles.
The main difference here for consoles, is that console gamers and game making companies can't take the same path out of destruction like PC gamers and companies did. PC games survived initially on boutique gaming and indie gaming, and modding. Now, PC games don't really need too. Unfortunately, console users or game designers can't do the same because of the inherent limitations to consoles. So effectively, consoles are the same kind of devices as mobile devices in their limited sense, but consoles are even more limited. mobile devices, like PCs can do much more than play games, so many, many people have them. Many of these people would rather spend some money on a mobile game then buy a console just to play a game (sound familiar?). Thus, this is likely the last generation of dedicated gaming consoles. In a few years, casual players will all be on tablets/mobile and "hardcore" gamers will be on PC, and consoles will be in steep decline.
Back on topic, this is part of the reason that Legion is now a PC game, and it will likely stay a PC game. By the time CCP gets around to doing a proper port (unless they've got a PS4 port already mostly done) there won't be enough money in consoles to make the port worth it. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:43:00 -
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OP, you say you're not into the whole PC vs console holy war, yet you act like a frakking console fanatic. Get off that high horse, Napoleon.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8518
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:48:00 -
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I hearby declare the OP to be a troll that not even console folks want to associate.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
2865
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:48:00 -
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PC vs Console debate needs to stop. Lets all try to collectively make the Legion sub forum a better place than the toxic vitriol that is Dust GD. Please...
To OP: This is simply not going to be able to happen without leaving PS4 out of a big portion of the game unfortunately. The overall goal of this game is to have cross-game play between Legion, Valkyria, and EVE: Online. In order for this to happen, there can only be a single instance of any game connected to tranquility.
So if you want PS4 players to be seperated from PC players, you are essentially ask for PS4 players to not be connected to tranquility. This will lock PS4 players from specialized game modes such as Planetary Conquest, Low-Sec open world gameplay, Null-Sec sovereignty battles, POS boarding, etc. As those assets are only available when the game can be connected to tranquility.
Sorry OP, what you want is just not going to be able to happen. You will be playing cross-platform.
Keep in mind though, the very nature of the game design will deter cheating quite a bit. No one will risk a perman on a toon they have invested a great amount of time and money into. We just need to find a way such that people can't create a million alts and play public matches with veteran players. Going to have to see what kind of solutions they can come up with to help prevent hacking on both a code and game design level.
As a PS4 player you will have some time before a PS4 client is released. I guess just see how bad it is a few months after the PC release and see what they have done about it. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:54:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:PC vs Console debate needs to stop. Lets all try to collectively make the Legion sub forum a better place than the toxic vitriol that is Dust GD. Please...
To OP: This is simply not going to be able to happen without leaving PS4 out of a big portion of the game unfortunately. The overall goal of this game is to have cross-game play between Legion, Valkyrie, and EVE: Online. In order for this to happen, there can only be a single instance of any game connected to tranquility.
So if you want PS4 players to be separated from PC players, you are essentially asking for PS4 players to not be connected to tranquility. This will lock PS4 players from specialized game modes such as Planetary Conquest, Low-Sec open world gameplay, Null-Sec sovereignty battles, POS boarding, etc. As those assets are only available when the game can be connected to tranquility.
Sorry OP, what you want is just not going to be able to happen. You will be playing cross-platform.
Keep in mind though, the very nature of the game design will deter cheating quite a bit. No one will risk a perman on a toon they have invested a great amount of time and money into. We just need to find a way such that people can't create a million alts and play public matches with veteran players. Going to have to see what kind of solutions they can come up with to help prevent hacking on both a code and game design level.
As a PS4 player you will have some time before a PS4 client is released. I guess just see how bad it is a few months after the PC release and see what they have done about it.
Well, even Dust is server-side authority. This will combat a certain amount of cheating/hacking. There are, of course, plenty of other methods that work well and are industry standards.
Obviously a subscription cost would go a certain way in preventing the alt-spam, but I doubt that CCP wants to make Legion subscription based.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:59:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Well, even Dust is server-side authority. This will combat a certain amount of cheating/hacking. There are, of course, plenty of other methods that work well and are industry standards.
Obviously a subscription cost would go a certain way in preventing the alt-spam, but I doubt that CCP wants to make Legion subscription based.
Actually you wouldn't even need a subscription cost... just a buy to play license alone would be huge. If you said... its $15 for an access key which comes with $15 in aurum. You have then made it a lot more expensive to hack... that's just not the free to play model though unfortunately.
You know what though... they could make it where you could play the non-pvp sections of the game without any purchases and then ask for a purchase before entering pvp. If explained well I suspect most wouldn't mind if they understood it was an anti-cheat measure.
So... initial game play is free to play, and then contract system requires a 'Mercenary Pack' purchase. Including a bundle of goodies and aurum and such. I could see something like that working really well. |
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
658
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:30:00 -
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There is a special kind of player - one against all. They naively believe that DUST - shooter a-la CS or BF
For them is really very important ideal ping, preschool child with aimassist completely breaks game for them.
They did not understand for two years, where they are, where they were.
Us here - thousands, we are here for many years. We saw how dying empires of cheaters. We killed them with the help of our patience and precise calculation.
We're locked in a small universe and tear each other's pieces of meat for fame or money. Cheaters are weak, we devour them whole, leaving no bones.
Welcome to the new Eden.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
381
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:37:00 -
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An interesting read: http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/25a08j/why_do_pc_gamers_bash_console_gamers/ |
ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:46:00 -
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OP - basically says all pc players are cheaters and that pc`s are overflowing with cheaters... (He buys THAT brand of cool-aid) I just got out of a game of dust today where someone clearly, clearly, had a modded controller with the scrambler rifle.
ok op. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:04:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:OP - basically says all pc players are cheaters and that pc`s are overflowing with cheaters... (He buys THAT brand of cool-aid) I just got out of a game of dust today where someone clearly, clearly, had a modded controller with the scrambler rifle.
ok op.
Not all of PC players. But cheaters will ruin fair game. There will always doubts about good players.
And just lol about "modded controller", much more chances it was just mouse with macroses.
Macroses is not cheat of course? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8531
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:07:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:OP - basically says all pc players are cheaters and that pc`s are overflowing with cheaters... (He buys THAT brand of cool-aid) I just got out of a game of dust today where someone clearly, clearly, had a modded controller with the scrambler rifle.
ok op. Not all of PC players. But cheaters will ruin fair game. There will always doubts about good players. And just lol about "modded controller", much more chances it was just mouse with macroses. Macroses is not cheat of course?
/troll radar going off
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1438
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:12:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:OP - basically says all pc players are cheaters and that pc`s are overflowing with cheaters... (He buys THAT brand of cool-aid) I just got out of a game of dust today where someone clearly, clearly, had a modded controller with the scrambler rifle.
ok op. Not all of PC players. But cheaters will ruin fair game. There will always doubts about good players. And just lol about "modded controller", much more chances it was just mouse with macroses. Macroses is not cheat of course? When you use the "" emoticon, chances are no one will take you seriously.
And I, for one, am not displeased with the notion of no one taking you seriously.
Build bridges, don't live under them.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:24:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: 32,29344,902 DARK SOULSGäó II
ok, lets about dark souls 1 and 2
lets check sales
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70899/dark-souls/ http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73249/dark-souls-ii/
on PC its seems like a joke |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:29:00 -
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Elder scrolls
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/49111/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/
PC - Global Total as of 26th Apr 2014 (units): 3.44m
X360 - Global Total as of 26th Apr 2014 (units): 7.95m PS3 - Global Total as of 26th Apr 2014 (units): 5.47m
So yes, PC gaming is in troubles |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:38:00 -
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Battlefield 3
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=battlefield+3
X360 - 7.14 mil PS3 - 6.86
PC - 2.60
Oh shi.... |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:41:00 -
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Call+of+Duty%3A+Modern&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
X360 - 14.21 mil PS3 - 12.83 mil
PC - 1.62 mil
How it possible PC wins again! |
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:46:00 -
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Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why?
How you think - publishers are blind to this digits?
Only exceptions for some games where PC version was released much more early than on consoles. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1438
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:56:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why? It's probably because console peasants like you exist.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:00:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:dalt ud wrote:Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why? It's probably because console peasants like you exist. #sickburn |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:01:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:dalt ud wrote:Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why? It's probably because console peasants like you exist.
insults is last argument?
Maybe because you are, probably, thief and prefer to use torrents instead fairly buying? Most of PC users do it, so confess, no one will blame you |
BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
341
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:03:00 -
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Progress in Dust/Legion would be completely wiped when cheaters are inevitably caught.
Unlike meaningless frag fests like CoD/BF/Planetside 2, the progress a character makes in Dust/Legion takes substantial time. I doubt many serious players would risk throwing away all that time just to do well in a couple matches.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1438
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:05:00 -
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Also worth mentioning is that if you develop for the PC you take a larger chunk of the revenue, especially on Steam. With consoles you have to pay for licensing fees and other such nonsense. So while the number of customers might be smaller on the PC, the profit earned might be much more comparable. Also neat is that you can sell older PC games relatively well, but selling older console games is... not as successful in most cases.
dalt ud wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:dalt ud wrote:Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why? It's probably because console peasants like you exist. insults is last argument? Maybe because you are, probably, thief and prefer to use torrents instead fairly buying? Most of PC users do it, so confess, no one will blame you Funny thing, console game piracy is actually quite common. Incredibly so.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:06:00 -
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BursegSardaukar wrote:Progress in Dust/Legion would be completely wiped when cheaters are inevitably caught.
Unlike meaningless frag fests like CoD/BF/Planetside 2, the progress a character makes in Dust/Legion takes substantial time. I doubt many serious players would risk throwing away all that time just to do well in a couple matches.
Because here is economic and ISK can be converted in real money - there will be enough smartasses who will risk.
Second accounts and etc.
Every MMO have this kind of crap. Shooter will much more easy to cheat. Simple aimbot (with smart setting) almost undetectable. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1438
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:08:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:BursegSardaukar wrote:Progress in Dust/Legion would be completely wiped when cheaters are inevitably caught.
Unlike meaningless frag fests like CoD/BF/Planetside 2, the progress a character makes in Dust/Legion takes substantial time. I doubt many serious players would risk throwing away all that time just to do well in a couple matches. Because here is economic and ISK can be converted in real money - there will be enough smartasses who will risk. Second accounts and etc. The flow of assets and ISK can be tracked, and RMT isn't doing well in New Eden with PLEX being available.
Also, the term is "dumbass", not "smartass".
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:10:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: Funny thing, console game piracy is actually quite common. Incredibly so.
Sales confirm your words. Yes. Absolutely. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
689
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:12:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Also worth mentioning is that if you develop for the PC you take a larger chunk of the revenue, especially on Steam. With consoles you have to pay for licensing fees and other such nonsense. So while the number of customers might be smaller on the PC, the profit earned might be much more comparable.
Facts not confirm that. For publishers consoles is primary target, so profit bigger on consoles.
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