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jenza aranda BetaMax. 3256	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:17:00 - [1] - Quote So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said. I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game. Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear. Legion is the next evolution of Dust. Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1336	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:19:00 - [2] - Quote They should have just said this from the start but nothing really new in this post, just rephrased the message.
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2181	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:20:00 - [3] - Quote Dust sounds better imo. But I, and many others who can read between the lines sees this. Pretty much the only complaint now is that 1: CCP has **** communication skills 2: There's no current PS4 port. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 647	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:20:00 - [4] - Quote Inb4 Jenza gets spanked for saying things that aren't to be said (yet). Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2978	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3257	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:27:00 - [6] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:28:00 - [7] - Quote thanks for being 6 months late enjoy your new game and new friends, no hard feeling. fug that, fug ccp, and fug u Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1787	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:28:00 - [8] - Quote Again, thanks for this. I know the CPM had been doing a lot of "don't save this until FanFest" and even some of the CSM members (I will say that is a bit of a sting that people that are heavily interested in a different game know about stuff that is coming to our game) were saying the same thing. We appreciate you clearing up this bit of "what the hell?" and we all sincerely hope that this is seen as something necessary clear up rather than something that gets you spanked. I have been trying to get Saberwing to say if Legion = DUST but he kept ignoring that question. I bet it is because I called him Iron Wolf Saber to his face when I met him in person... after a 45 minute presentation where he said CCP Saberwing about 100 times. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2978	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:31:00 - [9] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3259	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:36:00 - [10] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 4007	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:41:00 - [11] - Quote Legion IS the next evolution of Dust. It even said so on the fanfest schedule. CCP is just too caught up with marketing PR nonsense speech to just come out and say it because they aren't willing to publicly admit they threw us under the bus. The sooner they bite that bullet and admit they did us wrong, the faster the healing can begin.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2859	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:47:00 - [12] - Quote Imo, we all know what it is, but you really shouldn't tell us. They avoided this, representing it as a brand new game because if it's just an "evolution" they should guarantee the core mechanics on both games. But this is clearly something they don't want. As far as I've seen and heard, it's the same game, with a little more sandbox and a BF3 graphics. "chi lascia la strada vecchia per la nuova sa cosa lascia, ma non sa cosa trova ;)" Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3241	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah, I wouldn't have been mad if they came out with this instead of making seem like they were doing us a favor by making a "new" game. We get it, the ps3 is limited and difficult to integrate with EVE on PC, it's not worth the time or resources to develop for Dust anymore and probably not making much money anymore. Don't slap us around and tell us nothing while acting like you are telling us something CCP. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2816	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:51:00 - [14] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said. I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game. Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear. Legion is the next evolution of Dust. Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar. True as it is, that is also what pisses me off the most, it is for all intensive purposes DUST, which in effect means the whole project legion, boils down to. We are sorry to say it but, we can't code for **** on the PS3, so we are taking the majority of the resouces from DUST (since it is still currently on the same engine) and developing using the same DEV UI, SDK and Command Kit a new game that the majority of our small bht die hard troop of Console Fans, can't enjoy a NEW BUILD of the game. The thing is, if they are using the same engine to currently develop legion tjere is no reason why they can't continue to develop for DUST and share the resources they create, they already did it with the weapon and suit models, we currently have. So why don't they say, we have a few more weapons planned for legion, but we will put a small dev team on adding them into DUST so you can "battle test" them for us? It's perfectly plausible to do, wouldn't require much man power. But instead all we have to look forward to is, a series of server side hotfixes for balancing weapons that will still likely be unbalanced in the end anyway. It's great that they are finally pulling there finger out and getting some work done on the FPS of new eden thing, but 1) Did they really have to do it this way 2) Ignore us for a few days afterwards, with nothing more than a prepared 3) did the dev's suddenly decide to get all aggressive and condescending 4) do they really have to leave the console players who have been here with them through thick and thin in the DUST? Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 822	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:52:00 - [15] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. CCP cannot declare legion as an expansion of dust or dust 2.0 because then they will be forced to transfer data from dust onto legion. By declaring legion a separate game, they dont need to worry about transferring isk, assets, SP, character history (KDR, WLR, etc). They can force everyone to start fresh from the beginning because "legion has nothing to do with dust." -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3342	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote Winning!. Eve Legion FTW!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 253	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:56:00 - [17] - Quote Yes it is. I look forward to what they can do with it now that it will be on PC. PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: thanks for being 6 months late enjoy your new game and new friends, no hard feeling. fug that, fug ccp, and fug u HTFU bro...you just told me that in my thread. Look at you now, a softy. Saying what's on people's minds
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 770	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote ps2 IS the next gen in fps shooters period. good luck catching up ccp don't harm the hamsters
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 780	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:27:00 - [19] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. ... sooooo this means it got the green light? ?? Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1308	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:03:00 - [20] - Quote i think most people will be having a hard time trusting anything CCP/CPM says these days. trust is now a very hard thing to come by from us players after the legion fanfest. but hey we all know that dust on ps3 would most likely have no future, we're just mad at CCP&CPM on how this info was brought to us. plus if legion requires a high end gaming pc just to play that one game and surf the web then you can count me out when the ps4 is much cheaper and most games are now going onto every platform. my brothers and sisters i salute you O7 and CCP? sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+

Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 257	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:07:00 - [21] - Quote CPM are being wrongfully targeted. They had nothing to do with this bro. Saying what's on people's minds
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 456	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:22:00 - [22] - Quote Anybody that could understand the PR speak knew this straight away. What is sad is that CCP finds it hard to say this to the fans of this game who dont follow closely or are just naive to the business aspect of things. CPM could have leaked this somehow though. I also remember some of them hyping up 1.8 and saying things looked like they were on the right track. Shame for the ones that did that knowing the reality. "Shine bright like a diamond"
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14301	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:28:00 - [23] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: So, this thread may get interesting Noms popcorn Seriously though, Legion sounds and looks amazing, GREEN LIGHT, LONG LIVE LEGION! I still want to see the charged shot of the new Scrambler Rifles, and I say that when they kill someone, it should send them hurtling away. Such lightning. Very shock. Wow. Shocking.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 456	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:36:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Legion sounds and looks amazing Yeah, the one thing CCP has level 5 in. Think I'll wait for the reviews and what the forums say before I make a move. Hope it is good and looks fine on a mid range PC. A PS4 client as well would also be nice down the line. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2076	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:43:00 - [25] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: CPM are being wrongfully targeted. They had nothing to do with this bro. Agree. I've said this before(a long time ago) but there's a sickness somewhere inside CCP. It predates Rouge, it predates the CPM, and it prolly predates CCP Jian. I don't know if it's a who or a thing, but wherever it's lair is, it's not far from marketing. PSN: RationalSpark
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 4010	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:53:00 - [26] - Quote Anytime marketing has direct influence over a game's development instead of simply attempting to advertise and sell the game... yes, it is a sickness.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14302	Posted - 2014.05.11 02:06:00 - [27] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Legion sounds and looks amazing Yeah, the one thing CCP has level 5 in. Think I'll wait for the reviews and what the forums say before I make a move. Hope it is good and looks fine on a mid range PC. A PS4 client as well would also be nice down the line. Well obviously, I already have a PC so it's easy for me to be excited, since it's very likely going to be free. So, nothing to lose for me, and I strongly believe that it's the best chance for "DUST" to live on in consoles as well.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 457	Posted - 2014.05.11 02:13:00 - [28] - Quote Well I agree. They are comfortable with PC and they arent really restricted. Once they get the game they want they can start to optimize it and then most likely port it (maybe even give it to a talented contracted company to do the work) to PS4 "Shine bright like a diamond"
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 61	Posted - 2014.05.11 02:28:00 - [29] - Quote So it was okay for CCP to lie to console players and milk them for cash right before fanfest because.... what? It didn't affect you? This time they're not lying? (honest) Well ****, thanks for the critical intel bro. Glad we can count on you. If all this bullcrap has proven anything, it's that we're ALL replaceable. But keep on setting yourself up for a massive letdown man, what could go wrong?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 780	Posted - 2014.05.11 04:42:00 - [30] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: So it was okay for CCP to lie to console players and milk them for cash right before fanfest because.... what? It didn't affect you? This time they're not lying? (honest) Well ****, thanks for the critical intel bro. Glad we can count on you. If all this bullcrap has proven anything, it's that we're ALL replaceable. But keep on setting yourself up for a massive letdown man, what could go wrong? You do realize at this point, that you're posting at a bunch of EVE players that have lived through this crap before? Its Incarna on a less shtty scale. You shrug your shoulders and wiat to see what they do game wise to fix it. So far, theyre batting like 5 for 5 on expansions after Incarna. Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 390	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:02:00 - [31] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Well I agree. They are comfortable with PC and they arent really restricted. Once they get the game they want they can start to optimize it and then most likely port it (maybe even give it to a talented contracted company to do the work) to PS4 What makes you think they are not restricted? I love this little pearl of freaking wisdom from the fanfest mouthbreathers.... So, CCP will try to do as it always has and try to target the MAXIMUM amount of players that it can. This most likely means that the low-end, the minimum requirements to run dust, will be pretty low, like probably the same as Eve onlines requirements... so what are eve onlines requirements anyway? CCP wrote: CPU that supports SSE2 GPU with 256 MB VRAM or more that supports Shader Model 3 that supports DirectX 9.0c Drivers: DirectX 9.0c (included) Audio that supports SSE that is Direct Sound compatible HD: 20 GB free space (or more) Network: ADSL connection (or faster) DVD-ROM: 2x-speed DVD reader (for boxed editions only) Basically a PS3. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1872	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:03:00 - [32] - Quote i'm waiting for legion 2. i hear it has amazing graphics and all the stuff that was missing from legion. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 390	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:04:00 - [33] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Harold Junk wrote: So it was okay for CCP to lie to console players and milk them for cash right before fanfest because.... what? It didn't affect you? This time they're not lying? (honest) Well ****, thanks for the critical intel bro. Glad we can count on you. If all this bullcrap has proven anything, it's that we're ALL replaceable. But keep on setting yourself up for a massive letdown man, what could go wrong? You do realize at this point, that you're posting at a bunch of EVE players that have lived through this crap before? Its Incarna on a less shtty scale. You shrug your shoulders and wiat to see what they do game wise to fix it. So far, theyre batting like 5 for 5 on expansions after Incarna. No Incarna was a f-up on the pricing of barbie doll accessories and Hilmar writing a letter saying "actions speak louder than words". This is outright lying, false advertising, cancelation of an entire game, going in raw without the courtesy of a reach around, horrrible horrible stuff. I mean getting people to spend their freaking vacations getting punched in the balls 4k miles away from home?? Incarna is a joke next to this. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1872	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:05:00 - [34] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: CPM are being wrongfully targeted. They had nothing to do with this bro. Agree. I've said this before(a long time ago) but there's a sickness somewhere inside CCP. It predates Rouge, it predates the CPM, and it prolly predates CCP Jian. I don't know if it's a who or a thing, but wherever it's lair is, it's not far from marketing. you're looking for ccp praetorian. he's the first ea guy ccp hired (to my knowledge) and everything that comes out of his mouth is falsity. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1874	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:11:00 - [35] - Quote legion is not the next evolution of dust. it's the next evolution of ccp turning into just another game company. we came here to dust because there was not to be a sequel. we're tired of sequels. legion will be released into closed beta for a year after the game is in development for a year. the dust universe will receive no updates during that time. and i quote: "we'll look at it again in a few years..." they killed a game with a GROWING player base, and what do they keep promising? "more players... more players..." where are these 'moar players' going to come from? eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:12:00 - [36] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. It is kind of irrelevant now though. In all honestly, the launch, presentation and publicity of a game are all tied into it. Remember Dark Souls when it launched. No, actually I don't think ANYONE noticed it at all! But it grew and defied expectations and caused the bosses to even reconsider a lot of their plans by simply word-of-mouth spreading about how great that game was! You are not getting that with Dust and you're getting half raves and half rants with Legion which is not what you want a game's to be even before anything close to a beta is out. You're already digging yourself out of a hole at that position. Legion is a huge point of interest on the EvE forums but outside EvE,it's really Dust players. That's it and if you visit websites covering this the news is even less positive; the less informed about Dust see Legion as a game that is already problem-plagued by its own audience even before beta stage. No matter how you spin it, that's just utterly bad for business in general. Steam is one possible area but it's also counter-intuitive; steam's goal is to get you to buy as many games and not fall in love with just one in general in it's ideal corporate model. If everyone who did steam just got one game, they'd be doomed from the get go but because enough gamers rely on it for new games on a consistent basis, it can grow and survive as a company. So legion even coming to steam won't but a guaranteed success. If the idea is to really make a game that defies expectations, Legion isn't that and it'd have to be extraordinary "great", like Dark Souls great and that doesn't seem likely at all and no one is really fooling themselves that Legion is going to be a sleeper hit of a game either. There aren't many games that have dug themselves out of a hole; SW:ToR barely avoided that but didn't live to expectation, ESO isn't as fabled to be great to the hype set for it either and it's seeing a decline. Both titles didn't start in a hole but once the ugly got out, it was a fierce fight to just avoid the game being based by critics relentlessly. They're both great titles just not what you'd called spectacular.... That's what Legion reminds me of; a game with potential and hype but you fail to be really excited by it and it fades away for many. I know i'm not alone in this and it's really not the impression you want gamers to have either.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1874	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:13:00 - [37] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Harold Junk wrote: So it was okay for CCP to lie to console players and milk them for cash right before fanfest because.... what? It didn't affect you? This time they're not lying? (honest) Well ****, thanks for the critical intel bro. Glad we can count on you. If all this bullcrap has proven anything, it's that we're ALL replaceable. But keep on setting yourself up for a massive letdown man, what could go wrong? You do realize at this point, that you're posting at a bunch of EVE players that have lived through this crap before? Its Incarna on a less shtty scale. You shrug your shoulders and wiat to see what they do game wise to fix it. So far, theyre batting like 5 for 5 on expansions after Incarna. No Incarna was a f-up on the pricing of barbie doll accessories and Hilmar writing a letter saying "actions speak louder than words". This is outright lying, false advertising, cancelation of an entire game, going in raw without the courtesy of a reach around, horrrible horrible stuff. I mean getting people to spend their freaking vacations getting punched in the balls 4k miles away from home?? Incarna is a joke next to this. moreover incarna was not a protest because they had announced eve online 2. they had not announced that eve online's development team had been transferred to another project. they had not announced that there would be no content for three years. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:16:00 - [38] - Quote low genius wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Harold Junk wrote: So it was okay for CCP to lie to console players and milk them for cash right before fanfest because.... what? It didn't affect you? This time they're not lying? (honest) Well ****, thanks for the critical intel bro. Glad we can count on you. If all this bullcrap has proven anything, it's that we're ALL replaceable. But keep on setting yourself up for a massive letdown man, what could go wrong? You do realize at this point, that you're posting at a bunch of EVE players that have lived through this crap before? Its Incarna on a less shtty scale. You shrug your shoulders and wiat to see what they do game wise to fix it. So far, theyre batting like 5 for 5 on expansions after Incarna. No Incarna was a f-up on the pricing of barbie doll accessories and Hilmar writing a letter saying "actions speak louder than words". This is outright lying, false advertising, cancelation of an entire game, going in raw without the courtesy of a reach around, horrrible horrible stuff. I mean getting people to spend their freaking vacations getting punched in the balls 4k miles away from home?? Incarna is a joke next to this. moreover incarna was not a protest because they had announced eve online 2. they had not announced that eve online's development team had been transferred to another project. they had not announced that there would be no content for three years. And they sure as hell didn't tell everyone that they need to go spend another $800+ if they wanted to follow that content. IDK if anyone remembers, but there was a decent enough stink when eve upped the minimum requirements to shader model 3.... An event on this scale would have been biblical, Star Was NGE x 5 biblical. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1681	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:43:00 - [39] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. CCP cannot declare legion as an expansion of dust or dust 2.0 because then they will be forced to transfer data from dust onto legion. By declaring legion a separate game, they dont need to worry about transferring isk, assets, SP, character history (KDR, WLR, etc). They can force everyone to start fresh from the beginning because "legion has nothing to do with dust." This guy gets it. But that bold step would mean they have confidence that legion can stand on it's own two feet on PC. Rejected by the FPS community I doubt it. I think they expect eve players to take care of dust 2.0 (legion) from the big bad world of FPS. lol Only reason they would let the sp transfers go through. But you never know..
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:51:00 - [40] - Quote The console community believes that the FPS community is only in consoles because their first FPS MP game was Halo 2. They weren't around in days of Unreal craziness. FPS ruled on PCs with an iron fist at one point in time. Saying what's on people's minds

KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 304	Posted - 2014.05.11 05:52:00 - [41] - Quote Where do i begin? CCP bleeped all over console players. The console market is dead for CCP. Now they are left with EVE players, so you are going to milk the same player base twice. Legion will never be on PS4 CCP can not code for consoles. Like i said before CCP talk big to much And underdelivers, Legion will be a lobby shooter like Dust. If you think legion will be connected to Eve online economy, I have a bridge to sell you.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2014.05.11 06:03:00 - [42] - Quote I believe Legion will do quite well on PC. At least we don't have to worry about the technical limitations and wondering if the next generation console will affect the life of the game. Legion is going to be awesome!!!! Saying what's on people's minds
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1070	Posted - 2014.05.11 06:45:00 - [43] - Quote Legion will be vaporware, like Dust essentially is. How anyone could have faith in CCP Shanghai after this release and its support is beyond me. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3279	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:10:00 - [44] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Where do i begin? CCP bleeped all over console players. The console market is dead for CCP. Now they are left with EVE players, so you are going to milk the same player base twice. Legion will never be on PS4 CCP can not code for consoles. Like i said before CCP talk big to much And underdelivers, Legion will be a lobby shooter like Dust. If you think legion will be connected to Eve online economy, I have a bridge to sell you. never say never Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 258	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:41:00 - [45] - Quote wooo... so much butt hurt as of late but the problem is... with all these Dust bunnies leaving/quitting forever why is the population still 3k+ everyday and why are they STILL on the forums whining about a game they don't play anymore? Dust is going to PC and it is going to nicknamed Legion until a suitable name comes around... get over it and accept it or get over it and go away. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 171	Posted - 2014.05.11 10:06:00 - [46] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: However it will be under a new (imo better) name How dare you. I suggest you resign. Legion is a generic name, and I refuse to be represented by anyone who claims otherwise! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 86	Posted - 2014.05.11 10:09:00 - [47] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: CRAP. Oh we have a Badass Rebel over here!!!!! She said a DEV maybe upset 'cause she is saying that DUST AND LEGION ARE THE SAME THING. Flash NEWS: WE ALL KNOW THAT. Do you really feel no shame? Proud Original Member of the D.A.R.K. L.E.G.I.O.N. Heavy Infantry Division Using Heavy in PC before was Mainstream.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 601	Posted - 2014.05.11 10:23:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Legion IS the next evolution of Dust. It even said so on the fanfest schedule. CCP is just too caught up with marketing PR nonsense speech to just come out and say it because they aren't willing to publicly admit they threw us under the bus. The sooner they bite that bullet and admit they did us wrong, the faster the healing can begin. nah they have too much pride too admit that they gave the middle finger to console players. "Hey guys its time to move to PC only, after all we knew since the beginning that the only way to make our vision come true was to use the almighty powerful PC, lets milk people by making them buy omega boosters before we drop the news and upset the community."
vincent FF7 514 sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2014.05.11 10:41:00 - [49] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: I love to play violin in the evenings with a glass of wine and cheese.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3288	Posted - 2014.05.11 10:43:00 - [50] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: jenza aranda wrote: CRAP. Oh we have a Badass Rebel over here!!!!! She said a DEV maybe upset 'cause she is saying that DUST AND LEGION ARE THE SAME THING. Flash NEWS: WE ALL KNOW THAT. Do you really feel no shame? clearly not everyone. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki

Glyd Path Nec Tributis 17	Posted - 2014.05.11 11:26:00 - [51] - Quote Okay, let's say for all practical purposes you are 100% accurate and Legion is Dust 2.0. So what? I have a great gaming PC and will never install a CCP game on it. Why would I trust them after how they treated us? The bugs in Dust are Legion so if you are correct then they are basing this new project on some very buggy code. But who cares beyond EVE players? Nobody I know. Seriously, not one single Dust only player I know cares about Legion. They cared strongly about Dust and now they feel strongly about CCP. Although not in a good way. My few EVE friends have not changed their minds about EVE and no doubt will be involved in Legion. A couple are upset because they only bought a PS3 to play Dust. Now isn't that ironic, don't ya think? If they would call it a FPR they might sell it: Legion First Person Randomizer - you feel lucky punk? Your gun might fire - or it might not. Do they want to turn some of us around? I doubt it but if they did they could start fixing bugs in Dust now. Bugs that will negatively effect Legion if it truly is based on Dust, replacement or not. I will wait right over here. But I won't be holding my breath. Just so you know. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 17	Posted - 2014.05.11 11:33:00 - [52] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Okay, I cut this down to your two descriptions of the games. All of these games have vehicles and futuristic armor (although Dust has ancient junk assault rifles with iron sights). Corps, I couldn't care less. I hate taxes. However, the journalists that were shown the demo clearly stated there was no skill system in Legion. Getting better was entirely focused on salvaging better gear. No leveling at all and no SP system. I am unable to resolve the vast difference between your description and what CCP demonstrated to journalists. Maybe you can, Jenza. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3290	Posted - 2014.05.11 11:54:00 - [53] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Okay, I cut this down to your two descriptions of the games. All of these games have vehicles and futuristic armor (although Dust has ancient junk assault rifles with iron sights). Corps, I couldn't care less. I hate taxes. However, the journalists that were shown the demo clearly stated there was no skill system in Legion. Getting better was entirely focused on salvaging better gear. No leveling at all and no SP system. I am unable to resolve the vast difference between your description and what CCP demonstrated to journalists. Maybe you can, Jenza. The demo they where shown was a very very very early prototype. The skill system will be different, very different but not gone. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 105	Posted - 2014.05.11 12:38:00 - [54] - Quote Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: jenza aranda wrote: CRAP. Oh we have a Badass Rebel over here!!!!! She said a DEV maybe upset 'cause she is saying that DUST AND LEGION ARE THE SAME THING. Flash NEWS: WE ALL KNOW THAT. Do you really feel no shame? The cpms have been doing a lot of adverting over the past 24 hours so no they do not.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 457	Posted - 2014.05.11 12:59:00 - [55] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Well I agree. They are comfortable with PC and they arent really restricted. Once they get the game they want they can start to optimize it and then most likely port it (maybe even give it to a talented contracted company to do the work) to PS4 What makes you think they are not restricted? I love this little pearl of freaking wisdom from the fanfest mouthbreathers.... So, CCP will try to do as it always has and try to target the MAXIMUM amount of players that it can. This most likely means that the low-end, the minimum requirements to run dust, will be pretty low, like probably the same as Eve onlines requirements... so what are eve onlines requirements anyway? CCP wrote: laughable PC spec I dont think they will target that range. If they do they are even more lost than I thought. From how they speak I assume it will target higher and then they will "optimize" where they can. If you have a crap PC you may be able to run the client, just not well. If the game does arrive at some low level with many issues then any console gamers they were looking to gain will just pass, feel better about themselves and wont look CCP's way again, if they havent done so already. "Shine bright like a diamond"*
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2853	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:08:00 - [56] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Well I agree. They are comfortable with PC and they arent really restricted. Once they get the game they want they can start to optimize it and then most likely port it (maybe even give it to a talented contracted company to do the work) to PS4 What makes you think they are not restricted? I love this little pearl of freaking wisdom from the fanfest mouthbreathers.... So, CCP will try to do as it always has and try to target the MAXIMUM amount of players that it can. This most likely means that the low-end, the minimum requirements to run dust, will be pretty low, like probably the same as Eve onlines requirements... so what are eve onlines requirements anyway? CCP wrote: *laughable PC spec I dont think they will target that range. If they do they are even more lost than I thought. From how they speak I assume it will target higher and then they will "optimize" where they can. If you have a crap PC you may be able to run the client, just not well. If the game does arrive at some low level with many issues then any console gamers they were looking to gain will just pass, feel better about themselves and wont look CCP's way again, if they havent done so already. Logibro has already stated DX11 will be required to play legion, meaning those system reqs will be below minimum. I also read on here, and I don't remember where, that EVE is also going to be dropping DX9 support as well later this year (I obviously can't confirm it, but its plausible if Legion is not supporting DX9)
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 90	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:24:00 - [57] - Quote Commander Tuna wrote: Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: jenza aranda wrote: CRAP. Oh we have a Badass Rebel over here!!!!! She said a DEV maybe upset 'cause she is saying that DUST AND LEGION ARE THE SAME THING. Flash NEWS: WE ALL KNOW THAT. Do you really feel no shame? The cpms have been doing a lot of adverting over the past 24 hours so no they do not. The CCP Pr? you care what they have to say about it? It's clear that is the same game. Any one who is here from beta can undestrand it. The only one who can't understand are the CCP Blind fanboys or the people that are thinking: "WOW Legion will be epic" For the first there is nothing i can do... For the other one i'd like to say : "Like was Dust on the other press conference or in a different way?" Proud Original Member of the D.A.R.K. L.E.G.I.O.N. Heavy Infantry Division Using Heavy in PC before was Mainstream.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 356	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:33:00 - [58] - Quote You know it's bad when CCP and the CPM are the only people defending their game.... CCP DONT **ing FORGET ABOUT THE PS3 USERS! Just give me something to play with!!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1681	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:40:00 - [59] - Quote They are from eve that's why. Not hard to wonder who is still defending CCP and legion or who will be playing legion when it comes out. If you can put up with that snail of a game called eve, then I'm sure legion for them is a treat. lol
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1023	Posted - 2014.05.11 13:56:00 - [60] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said. I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game. Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear. Legion is the next evolution of Dust. Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar. Well thats great, now give us a PS4 port so console gamers can f**king play it. Unleash the Fogwoggler. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)

Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2200	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:32:00 - [61] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. CCP cannot declare legion as an expansion of dust or dust 2.0 because then they will be forced to transfer data from dust onto legion. By declaring legion a separate game, they dont need to worry about transferring isk, assets, SP, character history (KDR, WLR, etc). They can force everyone to start fresh from the beginning because "legion has nothing to do with dust." That is completely false. 1: They can't even declare a Dust port for another 4 days 2: They have already confirmed character imports click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 63	Posted - 2014.05.12 02:48:00 - [62] - Quote thesupertman wrote: You know it's bad when CCP and the CPM are the only people defending their game.... What? Don't all the plants count? Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: They have already confirmed character imports Yeah right. First, double-check the exact wording they used, they said everything BUT that.(I really love how they like to imply things and then all the CCP defenders will laugh at you for believing them, lol) Second, remember that CCP will say whatever the ** they want to get you to buy in, then do whatever the ** they want, there are fewer of you than there are of us so what is it that you think is stopping them? Loyalty? Please. Third, hang all of your hopes on their bullshit anyway because you are too attached to your character to see reason. Fourth, cry.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1883	Posted - 2014.05.12 03:11:00 - [63] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: thesupertman wrote: You know it's bad when CCP and the CPM are the only people defending their game.... What? Don't all the plants count? Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: They have already confirmed character imports Yeah right. First, double-check the exact wording they used, they said everything BUT that.(I really love how they like to imply things and then all the CCP defenders will laugh at you for believing them, lol) Second, remember that CCP will say whatever the ** they want to get you to buy in, then do whatever the ** they want, there are fewer of you than there are of us so what is it that you think is stopping them? Loyalty? Please. Third, hang all of your hopes on their bullshit anyway because you are too attached to your character to see reason. Fourth, cry. 'applicable skill points' is NOT skillpoints. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 568	Posted - 2014.05.12 03:16:00 - [64] - Quote Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. My reaction to Legion
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:26:00 - [65] - Quote lol Jenza... who knows how people like you ended up as CPM members... o wait, IRC brown nosing I only come here to get a laugh out of this whole scene. Players mad, players happy, players crying... just a big laugh really. GTFO and stop playing DUST if you don't like what they did. Don't come here cry about it and continue to support the game. As far as these CPM stooges go, CCP picked the perfect patsies apparently ... the ultimate fanboys that see no wrong in what CCP actually did. Good job guys! If only CCP put as much effort into building a proper FPS as they did picking these clowns, DUST might have actually been half decent. But wait, what am I saying, the half decent version is going PC! lol... thanks to all the hard work the PS3 beta testers did, and thanks to their money! Brilliant job CCP. I commend you for screwing people over and feel no shame about it "Laser focused on PS3!!" <<<--- HAHAHAAHA GG
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4397	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:35:00 - [66] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. But to be a franchise you must be bringing out sequels (i.e. Assassin's Creed), which Legion is a re imagining. And more than likely, only expansions will come to it. Franchises primarily exist on consoles. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Dexter Peabody Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 104	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:58:00 - [67] - Quote The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:48:00 - [68] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: The demo they where shown was a very very very early prototype. The skill system will be different, very different but not gone. Then they did a lousy job of showing off their pretty game didn't they? Because the press was decidedly unimpressed with the UI, the total lack of action and noted that nobody was working together nor even was around another player. Sort of like EVE is for the vast majority. And we Dust players know what it means when things are close but not exact in the skill system. We get shafted and SP is never refunded even when it gets changed out from underneath a player, all players. An untrustworthy company with a mediocre game uses that as a basis for a bad demo that will take years to turn into any kind of game at all. Yep, looks like a CCP project. Maybe it will be as successful as World Of Darkness. Either way it doesn't matter to me. I wish they would move all these useless Legion posts to a Legion-only forum. Just look at how active this community isn't now that the knife was stuck in their back. Of course it would help if a bug or 10 were to get fixed. Hah. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:50:00 - [69] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. But to be a franchise you must be bringing out sequels (i.e. Assassin's Creed), which Legion is a re imagining. And more than likely, only expansions will come to it. Franchises primarily exist on consoles. The guns would have to actually work to be any kind of shooter at all. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1884	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:50:00 - [70] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. the platform matters not at all. dust is what we want to play. you'll wait 2 years for a title that will last 10 months. again. i'm thinking more like 'red light'. fire praetorian. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:51:00 - [71] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Son Down SamsClub 136	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:53:00 - [72] - Quote Oh hey! Did everyone hear the news?! Dust is going to PC from console, regardless what anyone posts/thinks?! OMG!? Deal with it.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:06:00 - [73] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Exactly, the Dust 514 keynote was not geared for Dust players, it was not made for PS3 owners. IT was quite literally a slap in the face to everyone and everything PS3 related in order to gain favor with the PC neckbeards. No one on the planet is dumb enough to believe that what was going to be said at the DUST 514 KEYNOTE would be anything but a kick in the balls to our community. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 869	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:14:00 - [74] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Dust sounds better imo. But I, and many others who can read between the lines sees this. Pretty much the only complaint now is that 1: CCP has **** communication skills 2: There's no current PS4 port. this, and i rarely (if ever) agree with godin on anything. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2601	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:37:00 - [75] - Quote I just hope EVE: Legion will not be a Battlefield 514: New Eden. My opinion is that the game could fail horribly if we dont follow through with the New Eden mentality. We need to embrace the grind (or convert it to skill training queue), we need to embrace the (pain of) losing your stuff for a cause. Do not bring what you cannot afford to lose into battle. Imagine if dropsuits are BPOs, that will also mean tank and dropship hulls are BPOs. It does not bode well. R.I.P. Dust 514. You were a beta. May 2014.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:59:00 - [76] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I just hope EVE: Legion will not be a Battlefield 514: New Eden. My opinion is that the game could fail horribly if we dont follow through with the New Eden mentality. We need to embrace the grind (or convert it to skill training queue), we need to embrace the (pain of) losing your stuff for a cause. Do not bring what you cannot afford to lose into battle. Imagine if dropsuits are BPOs, that will also mean tank and dropship hulls are BPOs. It does not bode well. I'm more of a skeptic on Legion. A long long time ago (nearly a decade) I joined EvE after playing FF11 looking for something new. Tranquility was hitting around 5k players. At the beginning and the few years I played the player-CCP communications and feedback was great. The thing was CCP was honest at least in communicating their goals; if they messed up we forgave them because we knew they were trying to do more and be better. The thing with Legion is that it utilizes ideas from Dust. My problem and only point of contention is Dust is pretty unproven and the goodwill of many players who supported it even when it was called among one the worse titles of last year. There's tons of feedback about Dust but they intend to make "legion to be what Dust should have been". You don't really make something from a title that's semi broken. I mean really now, if Dust was a functional and fully fledged game then Legion might have a better selling point. But it's current perception is a catch 22 "we want to make Legion because Dust is broken but we haven't fixed Dust so let's start all over". That's their strategy? I mean really, is that it? Players have been buying franchise games because companies have found ways from either releasing a **** poor game or have recovered from it by learning their mistakes. Players still by Final Fantasy games, Metal Gear Solid and so on. I just can't really wrap my head around the idea of feeling CCP thinks they are good enough to make Legion and know all the problems to avoid Legion from encountering the issues Dust has. The odds are not in their favor if Dust offers a glimpse into their universe.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1654	Posted - 2014.05.12 11:15:00 - [77] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said. I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game. Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear. Legion is the next evolution of Dust. Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar. The only problem i forsee with this is that while Eve is a great game, it took them 11 years to get to where they are, 11 years ago the customers were allot more easy going and could do more with less mechanics, the current itteration of gamers and especially the console crowd is the "I WANT IT NOAW" crowd and because ccp isnt a huge studio, their ability to push content out fast enough is the issue, 1 year after launch they got dust to where it should have been at open beta. On PC we are accustomed to software patches, but if they release the game like they did Dust, its not gonna hold like Dust did on PS3, the current gamer has no patience and there are too many new games coming out every week. I am at the point where i cant get enticed anymore by new game hype or about how green its going to become on the other side of the fence, everything beyond Everquest Classic, Everquest 2, Eve, Counterstrike, Tactical Ops has been utter crap. I hope CCP has learned a valuable lessen that they cant make it on their Eve glory alone, otherwise Legion will be the same failure Dust has been...and while i love Dust, but it might just be that i only love dust because there are no aimbotters on console, i dunno... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 11:21:00 - [78] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: cut just so I could say hi Great sig, BTW. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Dexter Peabody Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 114	Posted - 2014.05.12 22:00:00 - [79] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Yeah ok, at no point did the Dust community ever ask them for features to be put out that would never be supported by the PS3. rolls eyes The only choices to 'fix' the game (instead of just balancing) were to port it to PC or PS4. Nobody in their right mind would play a direct port of the game, and CCP Rouge made the right call to re-conceptualize the game closer in the vision that had been talked about in 2009. Dust was an interesting concept and could have done well, but bad design decisions coupled with hardware that, quite literally, held any potential the game had hostage. Sorry if critical thinking makes your GRRRRRR CCP mind go insane (ask anyone who knows me, I'm as critical of CCP as anyone when it's warranted)


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