DUST Search - Legion IS the next major evolution of Dust.

jenza aranda wrote:

So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said.

I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game.

Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear.

Legion is the next evolution of Dust.

Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour.

Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform.

Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar.

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Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2200	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:32:00 - [61] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Delta 749 wrote: So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust. CCP cannot declare legion as an expansion of dust or dust 2.0 because then they will be forced to transfer data from dust onto legion. By declaring legion a separate game, they dont need to worry about transferring isk, assets, SP, character history (KDR, WLR, etc). They can force everyone to start fresh from the beginning because "legion has nothing to do with dust." That is completely false. 1: They can't even declare a Dust port for another 4 days 2: They have already confirmed character imports click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 63	Posted - 2014.05.12 02:48:00 - [62] - Quote thesupertman wrote: You know it's bad when CCP and the CPM are the only people defending their game.... What? Don't all the plants count? Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: They have already confirmed character imports Yeah right. First, double-check the exact wording they used, they said everything BUT that.(I really love how they like to imply things and then all the CCP defenders will laugh at you for believing them, lol) Second, remember that CCP will say whatever the ** they want to get you to buy in, then do whatever the ** they want, there are fewer of you than there are of us so what is it that you think is stopping them? Loyalty? Please. Third, hang all of your hopes on their bullshit anyway because you are too attached to your character to see reason. Fourth, cry.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1883	Posted - 2014.05.12 03:11:00 - [63] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: thesupertman wrote: You know it's bad when CCP and the CPM are the only people defending their game.... What? Don't all the plants count? Godin Thekiller wrote: 2: They have already confirmed character imports Yeah right. First, double-check the exact wording they used, they said everything BUT that.(I really love how they like to imply things and then all the CCP defenders will laugh at you for believing them, lol) Second, remember that CCP will say whatever the ** they want to get you to buy in, then do whatever the ** they want, there are fewer of you than there are of us so what is it that you think is stopping them? Loyalty? Please. Third, hang all of your hopes on their bullshit anyway because you are too attached to your character to see reason. Fourth, cry. 'applicable skill points' is NOT skillpoints. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 568	Posted - 2014.05.12 03:16:00 - [64] - Quote Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. My reaction to Legion
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:26:00 - [65] - Quote lol Jenza... who knows how people like you ended up as CPM members... o wait, IRC brown nosing I only come here to get a laugh out of this whole scene. Players mad, players happy, players crying... just a big laugh really. GTFO and stop playing DUST if you don't like what they did. Don't come here cry about it and continue to support the game. As far as these CPM stooges go, CCP picked the perfect patsies apparently ... the ultimate fanboys that see no wrong in what CCP actually did. Good job guys! If only CCP put as much effort into building a proper FPS as they did picking these clowns, DUST might have actually been half decent. But wait, what am I saying, the half decent version is going PC! lol... thanks to all the hard work the PS3 beta testers did, and thanks to their money! Brilliant job CCP. I commend you for screwing people over and feel no shame about it "Laser focused on PS3!!" <<<--- HAHAHAAHA GG
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4397	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:35:00 - [66] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. But to be a franchise you must be bringing out sequels (i.e. Assassin's Creed), which Legion is a re imagining. And more than likely, only expansions will come to it. Franchises primarily exist on consoles. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Dexter Peabody Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 104	Posted - 2014.05.12 04:58:00 - [67] - Quote The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:48:00 - [68] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: The demo they where shown was a very very very early prototype. The skill system will be different, very different but not gone. Then they did a lousy job of showing off their pretty game didn't they? Because the press was decidedly unimpressed with the UI, the total lack of action and noted that nobody was working together nor even was around another player. Sort of like EVE is for the vast majority. And we Dust players know what it means when things are close but not exact in the skill system. We get shafted and SP is never refunded even when it gets changed out from underneath a player, all players. An untrustworthy company with a mediocre game uses that as a basis for a bad demo that will take years to turn into any kind of game at all. Yep, looks like a CCP project. Maybe it will be as successful as World Of Darkness. Either way it doesn't matter to me. I wish they would move all these useless Legion posts to a Legion-only forum. Just look at how active this community isn't now that the knife was stuck in their back. Of course it would help if a bug or 10 were to get fixed. Hah. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:50:00 - [69] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Isaa Quade wrote: Dust is now a franchise shooter, that is all. But to be a franchise you must be bringing out sequels (i.e. Assassin's Creed), which Legion is a re imagining. And more than likely, only expansions will come to it. Franchises primarily exist on consoles. The guns would have to actually work to be any kind of shooter at all. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1884	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:50:00 - [70] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. the platform matters not at all. dust is what we want to play. you'll wait 2 years for a title that will last 10 months. again. i'm thinking more like 'red light'. fire praetorian. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:51:00 - [71] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Son Down SamsClub 136	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:53:00 - [72] - Quote Oh hey! Did everyone hear the news?! Dust is going to PC from console, regardless what anyone posts/thinks?! OMG!? Deal with it.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:06:00 - [73] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Exactly, the Dust 514 keynote was not geared for Dust players, it was not made for PS3 owners. IT was quite literally a slap in the face to everyone and everything PS3 related in order to gain favor with the PC neckbeards. No one on the planet is dumb enough to believe that what was going to be said at the DUST 514 KEYNOTE would be anything but a kick in the balls to our community. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 869	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:14:00 - [74] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Dust sounds better imo. But I, and many others who can read between the lines sees this. Pretty much the only complaint now is that 1: CCP has **** communication skills 2: There's no current PS4 port. this, and i rarely (if ever) agree with godin on anything. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2601	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:37:00 - [75] - Quote I just hope EVE: Legion will not be a Battlefield 514: New Eden. My opinion is that the game could fail horribly if we dont follow through with the New Eden mentality. We need to embrace the grind (or convert it to skill training queue), we need to embrace the (pain of) losing your stuff for a cause. Do not bring what you cannot afford to lose into battle. Imagine if dropsuits are BPOs, that will also mean tank and dropship hulls are BPOs. It does not bode well. R.I.P. Dust 514. You were a beta. May 2014.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:59:00 - [76] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I just hope EVE: Legion will not be a Battlefield 514: New Eden. My opinion is that the game could fail horribly if we dont follow through with the New Eden mentality. We need to embrace the grind (or convert it to skill training queue), we need to embrace the (pain of) losing your stuff for a cause. Do not bring what you cannot afford to lose into battle. Imagine if dropsuits are BPOs, that will also mean tank and dropship hulls are BPOs. It does not bode well. I'm more of a skeptic on Legion. A long long time ago (nearly a decade) I joined EvE after playing FF11 looking for something new. Tranquility was hitting around 5k players. At the beginning and the few years I played the player-CCP communications and feedback was great. The thing was CCP was honest at least in communicating their goals; if they messed up we forgave them because we knew they were trying to do more and be better. The thing with Legion is that it utilizes ideas from Dust. My problem and only point of contention is Dust is pretty unproven and the goodwill of many players who supported it even when it was called among one the worse titles of last year. There's tons of feedback about Dust but they intend to make "legion to be what Dust should have been". You don't really make something from a title that's semi broken. I mean really now, if Dust was a functional and fully fledged game then Legion might have a better selling point. But it's current perception is a catch 22 "we want to make Legion because Dust is broken but we haven't fixed Dust so let's start all over". That's their strategy? I mean really, is that it? Players have been buying franchise games because companies have found ways from either releasing a **** poor game or have recovered from it by learning their mistakes. Players still by Final Fantasy games, Metal Gear Solid and so on. I just can't really wrap my head around the idea of feeling CCP thinks they are good enough to make Legion and know all the problems to avoid Legion from encountering the issues Dust has. The odds are not in their favor if Dust offers a glimpse into their universe.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1654	Posted - 2014.05.12 11:15:00 - [77] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: So, this thread may get interesting, it may even make some devs upset with me but whatever, it something that really needs to be said. I have seen in several posts the extent that people take "Legion being a totally different & separate game" to some crazy extents. Some people making the assumption that as there may be a SSO in the future, assuming that Legion will require an active EVE account or even just a monthly subscription. Others saying that there will be a separate CPM for the game. Now, honestly I don't know fully why they decided to announce it this way. Maybe its legal reasons, maybe they are trying to get away from the bad press, I don't know. But i just want to make one thing crystal clear. Legion is the next evolution of Dust. Dust is a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour. Legion will be a multiplayer sort of RPG style FPS set on the planets in new eden with skills, vehicles, corps and futuristic armour and a lot more stuff too. However it will be under a new (imo better) name, with fancier graphics but on a different platform. Now for all we know, the changes, tweaks and additions could be so vast that it may almost be like playing a whole new game, but then again the differences between what we have today and the first closed beta is so vast it may as well be a totally different game. I like to think Legion being similar. The only problem i forsee with this is that while Eve is a great game, it took them 11 years to get to where they are, 11 years ago the customers were allot more easy going and could do more with less mechanics, the current itteration of gamers and especially the console crowd is the "I WANT IT NOAW" crowd and because ccp isnt a huge studio, their ability to push content out fast enough is the issue, 1 year after launch they got dust to where it should have been at open beta. On PC we are accustomed to software patches, but if they release the game like they did Dust, its not gonna hold like Dust did on PS3, the current gamer has no patience and there are too many new games coming out every week. I am at the point where i cant get enticed anymore by new game hype or about how green its going to become on the other side of the fence, everything beyond Everquest Classic, Everquest 2, Eve, Counterstrike, Tactical Ops has been utter crap. I hope CCP has learned a valuable lessen that they cant make it on their Eve glory alone, otherwise Legion will be the same failure Dust has been...and while i love Dust, but it might just be that i only love dust because there are no aimbotters on console, i dunno... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 11:21:00 - [78] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: cut just so I could say hi Great sig, BTW. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Dexter Peabody Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 114	Posted - 2014.05.12 22:00:00 - [79] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Dexter Peabody wrote: The messaging was awful, but at this point the people still mad are angry for the sake of being angry. Dust never had a chance on the PS3, and if Legion is even half of what they envisioned for Dust it'll do well. CCP are absolutely making the right move, and it's kinda funny that people are going ape when CCP are doing exactly what the community asked them to do. The EVE community asked them to. Not Dust and not the PS3 community. At least put the correct information out if you are playing CCP fan boy. Yeah ok, at no point did the Dust community ever ask them for features to be put out that would never be supported by the PS3. rolls eyes The only choices to 'fix' the game (instead of just balancing) were to port it to PC or PS4. Nobody in their right mind would play a direct port of the game, and CCP Rouge made the right call to re-conceptualize the game closer in the vision that had been talked about in 2009. Dust was an interesting concept and could have done well, but bad design decisions coupled with hardware that, quite literally, held any potential the game had hostage. Sorry if critical thinking makes your GRRRRRR CCP mind go insane (ask anyone who knows me, I'm as critical of CCP as anyone when it's warranted)


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