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Posted - 2014.05.11 05:12:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Delta 749 wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Delta 749 wrote:So what happened to all your talk in another thread about respecting the NDA
Its such a shame that you flip flop so quickly after people call you on your BS I never broke the NDA, Im just refrasing everything they said in a way thats simpler without any PR spin I dont believe you dont believe this isnt spinning the issue but dance marionette dance, we need some sort of entertainment here Im not spinning anything. Im saying it as clearly and honestly as I can. Legion is the next evolution of dust.
It is kind of irrelevant now though. In all honestly, the launch, presentation and publicity of a game are all tied into it. Remember Dark Souls when it launched. No, actually I don't think ANYONE noticed it at all! But it grew and defied expectations and caused the bosses to even reconsider a lot of their plans by simply word-of-mouth spreading about how great that game was! You are not getting that with Dust and you're getting half raves and half rants with Legion which is not what you want a game's to be even before anything close to a beta is out. You're already digging yourself out of a hole at that position.
Legion is a huge point of interest on the EvE forums but outside EvE,it's really Dust players. That's it and if you visit websites covering this the news is even less positive; the less informed about Dust see Legion as a game that is already problem-plagued by its own audience even before beta stage. No matter how you spin it, that's just utterly bad for business in general. Steam is one possible area but it's also counter-intuitive; steam's goal is to get you to buy as many games and not fall in love with just one in general in it's ideal corporate model. If everyone who did steam just got one game, they'd be doomed from the get go but because enough gamers rely on it for new games on a consistent basis, it can grow and survive as a company. So legion even coming to steam won't but a guaranteed success.
If the idea is to really make a game that defies expectations, Legion isn't that and it'd have to be extraordinary "great", like Dark Souls great and that doesn't seem likely at all and no one is really fooling themselves that Legion is going to be a sleeper hit of a game either. There aren't many games that have dug themselves out of a hole; SW:ToR barely avoided that but didn't live to expectation, ESO isn't as fabled to be great to the hype set for it either and it's seeing a decline. Both titles didn't start in a hole but once the ugly got out, it was a fierce fight to just avoid the game being based by critics relentlessly. They're both great titles just not what you'd called spectacular.... That's what Legion reminds me of; a game with potential and hype but you fail to be really excited by it and it fades away for many. I know i'm not alone in this and it's really not the impression you want gamers to have either.
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Gemini Cuspid
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Posted - 2014.05.12 07:59:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:I just hope EVE: Legion will not be a Battlefield 514: New Eden.
My opinion is that the game could fail horribly if we dont follow through with the New Eden mentality. We need to embrace the grind (or convert it to skill training queue), we need to embrace the (pain of) losing your stuff for a cause. Do not bring what you cannot afford to lose into battle.
Imagine if dropsuits are BPOs, that will also mean tank and dropship hulls are BPOs. It does not bode well.
I'm more of a skeptic on Legion. A long long time ago (nearly a decade) I joined EvE after playing FF11 looking for something new. Tranquility was hitting around 5k players. At the beginning and the few years I played the player-CCP communications and feedback was great. The thing was CCP was honest at least in communicating their goals; if they messed up we forgave them because we knew they were trying to do more and be better.
The thing with Legion is that it utilizes ideas from Dust. My problem and only point of contention is Dust is pretty unproven and the goodwill of many players who supported it even when it was called among one the worse titles of last year. There's tons of feedback about Dust but they intend to make "legion to be what Dust should have been". You don't really make something from a title that's semi broken.
I mean really now, if Dust was a functional and fully fledged game then Legion might have a better selling point. But it's current perception is a catch 22 "we want to make Legion because Dust is broken but we haven't fixed Dust so let's start all over". That's their strategy? I mean really, is that it?
Players have been buying franchise games because companies have found ways from either releasing a **** poor game or have recovered from it by learning their mistakes. Players still by Final Fantasy games, Metal Gear Solid and so on. I just can't really wrap my head around the idea of feeling CCP thinks they are good enough to make Legion and know all the problems to avoid Legion from encountering the issues Dust has. The odds are not in their favor if Dust offers a glimpse into their universe. |