DUST Search - I have officially changed my mind

KingBabar wrote:

Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane...

It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once.

So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out.

WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect.

Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste.

And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you.

Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS?

I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room.

And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting...

I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings......

Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust.....

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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2447	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:15:00 - [1] - Quote Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 174	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:18:00 - [2] - Quote lol, wait I thought Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S
Arkena Wyrnspire 13036	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote 1500 HP and a death ray? Sounds weak. It's possible to get 2000 EHP and a weapon so powerful that it bends time and space to kill targets before they even leave the clone vats. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 38	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:23:00 - [4] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Yes, I'm that desperate...
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 3875	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:26:00 - [5] - Quote So fcking OP i had my best game a few weeks ago since 1.8 released with a standard HMG and my templar suit(had not SP into Amarr sentinal) 59/4 So fcking OP Try EVE for free Resub to EVE with exciting account
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1199	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:31:00 - [7] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Not trying to be an *ss, but try that @ 40+ meters and lemme know how that goes for ya Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1199	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:32:00 - [8] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2252	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote HMG needed a 9% ROF nerf to match the rifle DPS nerf in the last patch. They never got around to it. Don't worry though. They'll fix it in Project Legion. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 728	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [10] - Quote So now we're going back to trashing like business as usual huh ??? Please ... just give it a rest already and this has nothing to do with FF comments because if your going up against skilled heavies your going to have problems , since your claiming it's easy mode . If it was OP then it really wouldn't matter , shot-gunners will still give you trouble and also CR users as well and with the large amount of players that quit and prob came back with less skill points it will seem easy , there are a lot of new characters playing now so everything might seem OP . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .

Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [11] - Quote KingBabar wrote: CUT. Where you running your usually protostomping group of six? where you facing RND or academy blueberries? Just saying because a 6 squad of Good protoplayer can make seem OP even the PLC
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1441	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [12] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: HMG needed a 9% ROF nerf to match the rifle DPS nerf in the last patch. They never got around to it. Don't worry though. They'll fix it in Project Legion. But of course leave the op **** in dust I'd better leave...
Arkena Wyrnspire 13038	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [13] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG At 40 meters you have approximately 40% of your DPS, taking into account bullet spread. That's pretty damn good considering the obscene damage output the weapon has. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG It always seems to do its jab effectively at 40m. This observation comes from both sides of the HMG on numerous occasions. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 566	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [15] - Quote You lot change your mind every damn day on these forums. Seriously people have been asking for REAL balance for ALL weapons for months and months and they got shot down. Now you guys are starting to see the imbalances throughout the game.... well bravo. Markdown:
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1200	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG At 40 meters you have approximately 40% of your DPS, taking into account bullet spread. That's pretty damn good considering the obscene damage output the weapon has. any suit with a light weapon can easily out strafe that while applying 100% dps on the fattie Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1200	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG It always seems to do its jab effectively at 40m. This observation comes from both sides of the HMG on numerous occasions. in order to do its job that heavy has to be crouched and in doom mode aiming basically giving the other person free headshots. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 729	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 - [18] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: You lot change your mind every damn day on these forums. Seriously people have been asking for REAL balance for ALL weapons for months and months and they got shot down. Now you guys are starting to see the imbalances throughout the game.... well bravo. It's easier to see when they are not running with stacked squads like Jastaddd related , the more comments I see from that brother the more I like him , he has his head on straight . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2515	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:49:00 - [19] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. This guy gets it.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 469	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:50:00 - [20] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/KgCGB3L.jpg That xSivartx guy ran a Republic Boundless HMG and Minmatar Heavy against my eWar scout (87 armor). It was a challenging match, and it was also an exciting fight because that combo of speed+HMG was full on beast mode. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 162	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:50:00 - [21] - Quote Sure, you can nerf HMG. After you buff our health and reduce total TTK. HMG is the only thing making the suit worth using. Every idiot who thinks Heavies do well with light weapons should biomass. They don't play PC enough.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Sure, you can nerf HMG. After you buff our health and reduce total TTK. Dude, yes! I officially believe the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. I mean, the guy is named after a cartoon elephant for christ sakes. Bro you know we can't trust elephants. Saying what's on people's minds
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3952	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:56:00 - [23] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Yes, it is supposed to be effortless. You have to be in the exact right place at the exact right time while being a massive target with no radar awareness whatsoever. If you do, in fact, manage to get there without being sniped, bombed, shotgunned or shanked, then effort should not be a requirement for success.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2255	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:12:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: "gungame" does not exist for the HMG, nor is it supposed to unless you are fighting other heavies. Not every role on the battlefield need be shackled to such a silly notion of twitch gameplay. Careful there, Himiko. There's likely more truth in your statement than these forums can handle. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2065	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:13:00 - [25] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Of course, anything you don't use that kills you is OP. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 506	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:14:00 - [26] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Sounds like balance to me. Is there anything we need to discuss being UP?
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 110	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:24:00 - [27] - Quote HMG should have less damage but alot more range, it should not be as much a close combat weapon imho.
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:27:00 - [28] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Sounds like balance to me. Is there anything we need to discuss being UP? My hopes and dreams? I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4475	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:30:00 - [29] - Quote Wait, you're still here Barbar? Surely that rainbow is just a bit of purple & yellow after this weekend? RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 - [30] - Quote Sigh,last week I would have been mad at this, now I just feel pity. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.



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