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MASTERmw100 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:44:00 - [61] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6065	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:01:00 - [62] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG Ah, so it becomes a Plasma Rifle? A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 241	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:25:00 - [63] - Quote MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ******* idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1447	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote Jesus the butthurts cant stop wailing..... CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. DEAL WITH IT... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:32:00 - [65] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ******* idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. All heavies are in cqc areas They never come out they're no ways to effectively counter them, when they're spammed it's stupid. Hmg is op. Just the hmg. Choo Choo
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1448	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:33:00 - [66] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ***** idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. All heavies are in cqc areas They never come out they're no ways to effectively counter them, when they're spammed it's stupid. Hmg is op. Just the hmg. CCP Rattati wrote:** I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1338	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:13:00 - [67] - Quote Heavies need that high ehp. They are all about defense, and the bonuses they have should remain, along with they're health. The HMG, is far better at offense than even the shotgun. this is what the problem is. Just like with blaster tanks. Tanks should be able to tank a buttload of damage from multiple AV sources, but should have a hard time hitting those AV sources with their big old turrets. If they want to hit small targets like dropsuits, they should fit small turrets. In a similar fashion, the HMG should have a hard time focusing fire on targets to slaughter them. In this respect, increasing their dispersion would help tremendously. Heavies are still hard to kill, but aren't so easy to kill with. If they want precision, they should equip a sidearm. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 679	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:15:00 - [68] - Quote MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Ex assault players are now slayer scouts takeing a poop on every heavy they see. Go run a heavy suit in PC and see how balanced it is yah nubs. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 868	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:25:00 - [69] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC. Probably because you're recognized as threat #1 and everyone instantly starts peppering you with bullets. That and it PC is always Skirmish, the least friendly game for heavies. Because, that's why.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:27:00 - [70] - Quote Why was the old thread bumped? Dammit! Saying what's on people's minds

KingBabar MAG was better... 2620	Posted - 2014.06.18 05:42:00 - [71] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: While I am glad that you are starting to open your eyes a little more to this game now Babar. You change your mind like the f-ing wind. How can anyone take you seriously? Well, being at the receiving end of a weapon is hardly the right form of experience needed to claim something is OP. Using it yourself, and in this case with close to no Isk and absolutely no SP invsted is a much better way of making a viable opinion. And there is the key argument, use a militia suit of any kind other than a Heavy and put a basic weapon on it with no SP invested and try and average the same results, my guess is that you can't. - A militia/basic fitting with no relevant SPs invested shouldn't be about as effective as a fully specced proto fitting which has 8 M + more SP invested while costing 10 times as much in terms of isk. What do you think would happen if I where using a maxed out proto HMG on a maxed out proto fatsuit? I knew it was easy, but I had no idea how riddiculus it actually was. Therefore, I'm entitled to change mymind due to New information... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
dzizur 6 dayz 39	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:09:00 - [72] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... making assumptions based on 3 suits used... yeah, that's what I come to expect from these forums, but didn't know good players such as yourself (im basing this on being killed by you) make such dumb statements
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 180	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:21:00 - [73] - Quote heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:04:00 - [74] - Quote dzizur wrote: KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... making assumptions based on 3 suits used... yeah, that's what I come to expect from these forums, but didn't know good players such as yourself (im basing this on being killed by you) make such dumb statements LOL, those 3 suits lasted like 12 games....And we're talking about unmodded militia suits here.... And for the record, the suits are perfectly fine, the HMG is the real issue. Not that I actually care, I deleted the game several weeks ago.... Its just funny how I could go so long in 3 militia suits, I've hardly ever gotten so many kills using 3 proto whatever.... I should have recorded it all, I had like a 30+ KDR wearing militia fatty With basic factional HMG.... I can only achieve that in a protosuit when I'm up against the scrubbiest of noobs. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:10:00 - [75] - Quote rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Cavani1EE7 The Rainbow Effect 94	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:30:00 - [76] - Quote KingBabar wrote: rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) Taz dropped 37-3 a couple days ago. You would've been proud of him. 1337
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:50:00 - [77] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: KingBabar wrote: rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) Taz dropped 37-3 a couple days ago. You would've been proud of him. That was in his Scout-CR combo right? RIGHT????? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.


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