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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2447	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:15:00 - [1] - Quote Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 174	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:18:00 - [2] - Quote lol, wait I thought Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S
Arkena Wyrnspire 13036	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote 1500 HP and a death ray? Sounds weak. It's possible to get 2000 EHP and a weapon so powerful that it bends time and space to kill targets before they even leave the clone vats. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 38	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:23:00 - [4] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Yes, I'm that desperate...
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 3875	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:26:00 - [5] - Quote So fcking OP i had my best game a few weeks ago since 1.8 released with a standard HMG and my templar suit(had not SP into Amarr sentinal) 59/4 So fcking OP Try EVE for free Resub to EVE with exciting account
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1199	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:31:00 - [7] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Not trying to be an *ss, but try that @ 40+ meters and lemme know how that goes for ya Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1199	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:32:00 - [8] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2252	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote HMG needed a 9% ROF nerf to match the rifle DPS nerf in the last patch. They never got around to it. Don't worry though. They'll fix it in Project Legion. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 728	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [10] - Quote So now we're going back to trashing like business as usual huh ??? Please ... just give it a rest already and this has nothing to do with FF comments because if your going up against skilled heavies your going to have problems , since your claiming it's easy mode . If it was OP then it really wouldn't matter , shot-gunners will still give you trouble and also CR users as well and with the large amount of players that quit and prob came back with less skill points it will seem easy , there are a lot of new characters playing now so everything might seem OP . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .

Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 54	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [11] - Quote KingBabar wrote: CUT. Where you running your usually protostomping group of six? where you facing RND or academy blueberries? Just saying because a 6 squad of Good protoplayer can make seem OP even the PLC
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1441	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:37:00 - [12] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: HMG needed a 9% ROF nerf to match the rifle DPS nerf in the last patch. They never got around to it. Don't worry though. They'll fix it in Project Legion. But of course leave the op **** in dust I'd better leave...
Arkena Wyrnspire 13038	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [13] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG At 40 meters you have approximately 40% of your DPS, taking into account bullet spread. That's pretty damn good considering the obscene damage output the weapon has. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG It always seems to do its jab effectively at 40m. This observation comes from both sides of the HMG on numerous occasions. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 566	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 - [15] - Quote You lot change your mind every damn day on these forums. Seriously people have been asking for REAL balance for ALL weapons for months and months and they got shot down. Now you guys are starting to see the imbalances throughout the game.... well bravo. Markdown:
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1200	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG At 40 meters you have approximately 40% of your DPS, taking into account bullet spread. That's pretty damn good considering the obscene damage output the weapon has. any suit with a light weapon can easily out strafe that while applying 100% dps on the fattie Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1200	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG It always seems to do its jab effectively at 40m. This observation comes from both sides of the HMG on numerous occasions. in order to do its job that heavy has to be crouched and in doom mode aiming basically giving the other person free headshots. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 729	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 - [18] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: You lot change your mind every damn day on these forums. Seriously people have been asking for REAL balance for ALL weapons for months and months and they got shot down. Now you guys are starting to see the imbalances throughout the game.... well bravo. It's easier to see when they are not running with stacked squads like Jastaddd related , the more comments I see from that brother the more I like him , he has his head on straight . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2515	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:49:00 - [19] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. This guy gets it.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 469	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:50:00 - [20] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/KgCGB3L.jpg That xSivartx guy ran a Republic Boundless HMG and Minmatar Heavy against my eWar scout (87 armor). It was a challenging match, and it was also an exciting fight because that combo of speed+HMG was full on beast mode. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 162	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:50:00 - [21] - Quote Sure, you can nerf HMG. After you buff our health and reduce total TTK. HMG is the only thing making the suit worth using. Every idiot who thinks Heavies do well with light weapons should biomass. They don't play PC enough.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Sure, you can nerf HMG. After you buff our health and reduce total TTK. Dude, yes! I officially believe the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. I mean, the guy is named after a cartoon elephant for christ sakes. Bro you know we can't trust elephants. Saying what's on people's minds
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3952	Posted - 2014.05.07 17:56:00 - [23] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Yes, it is supposed to be effortless. You have to be in the exact right place at the exact right time while being a massive target with no radar awareness whatsoever. If you do, in fact, manage to get there without being sniped, bombed, shotgunned or shanked, then effort should not be a requirement for success.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2255	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:12:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: "gungame" does not exist for the HMG, nor is it supposed to unless you are fighting other heavies. Not every role on the battlefield need be shackled to such a silly notion of twitch gameplay. Careful there, Himiko. There's likely more truth in your statement than these forums can handle. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2065	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:13:00 - [25] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... Of course, anything you don't use that kills you is OP. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 506	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:14:00 - [26] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Sounds like balance to me. Is there anything we need to discuss being UP?
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 110	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:24:00 - [27] - Quote HMG should have less damage but alot more range, it should not be as much a close combat weapon imho.
Bax Zanith 137	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:27:00 - [28] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Sounds like balance to me. Is there anything we need to discuss being UP? My hopes and dreams? I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4475	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:30:00 - [29] - Quote Wait, you're still here Barbar? Surely that rainbow is just a bit of purple & yellow after this weekend? RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 - [30] - Quote Sigh,last week I would have been mad at this, now I just feel pity. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2455	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:40:00 - [31] - Quote Well, the squad I played with was mostly meh players, the only other Rainbow was Taz-666. Well, this wasn't exactly fighting WTF in PC, just another set of pub like all the rest. Some decent russians in 2 games. I used it on 3 different city maps, you know, where its supposed to be used. When the cities were all blue and cleared I tok my BPO lav and drove to the comfort of the outside letters, plenty of cover etc.... I might see that a shotty scout can definately be a threat, the ones I faced couldn't take down my HP (1273) in time for me to simply turn around and press R1. I did about as good as I nomally would do, (except that I did way better vs other fatties), but this is so far from my playstyle you can possibly get short of camping I have no experience, knows no "tricks" and so on. I mostly run with maxed out weapons, protosuits and everything else for that matter. @ Sota = I have no issues with fatties with light weapons or the suits themselves, they are mostly easy kills, its strictly the gun I think is insanely good. But I have absolutely no PC experience with it, other than dying to small blobs of fatties walking through fields of triage hives with logis tailing..... @ Spkr = Seriously man, ehr..... I have so far defended the HMG's range and damage and even turn speed, the only gripe I've had with it so far is the pushback effect of it, making my speed advantage close to meaningless. Its now, when I kill people with it, not when I get killed by it, I start to QQ. I dunno if you're very young, have dyslectia or are simply trolling, if you actually mean half the stuff you post you get the dubious honour of being the stupidest person I've ever faced on the net, and the competition is quite hard... And not only that, you're spiteful and full of butthurt QQ. You come into nearly every thread I make and start your offensive QQ, mostly leaving valid argumentation and relevant points out off it, just to tell everybody what an idiot I am. I feel really sorry for you man, I'm glad I'm not you. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2456	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:49:00 - [32] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Wait, you're still here Barbar? Surely that rainbow is just a bit of purple & yellow after this weekend? Yeah I'm here, not playing much though. We currently don't have any clan forums outside of these pages so I hope I can set up an Enjin site this weekend. Initial response seems to make us head towards PS2 on the PS4 - Some of us are buying a PS4 for one of our ex-eastern Europe players so that we can all be together. A cute and fussy act if I say some myself. Yeah I couldn't give a rats arse about gun balance in Dust (doesn't mean I'm not right though), I just like the banter and not least reading Spkr's inevital QQ response. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 731	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:50:00 - [33] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: "gungame" does not exist for the HMG, nor is it supposed to unless you are fighting other heavies. Not every role on the battlefield need be shackled to such a silly notion of twitch gameplay. Careful there, Himiko. There's likely more truth in your statement than these forums can handle. IKR . " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!! " The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9522	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:50:00 - [34] - Quote If heavies were on radar 24/7 then it wouldn't be a problem. Inside a scout suit I just avoid heavies until I feel like I found a good position to take on it. Inside an assault there could be a heavy around the corner and I wouldn't know it until it's too late. Which is why I think scan range should be increased to 100m~ but reduce strength over range. This will especially help with tanks, no hiding from our radars, even as heavies. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 731	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:52:00 - [35] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: HMG should have less damage but alot more range, it should not be as much a close combat weapon imho. That's why you have the assault variants , if it had more range then it would be OP just like the shotgun because they are fine where they are now ... they play a great part and role in the game and both are deadly in their respective zones . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
bastille123 6	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:56:00 - [36] - Quote so heavies the only class that is made to stand and deliver damage , has only 2 weapons, (and dont say there will be more for them in this game beacuse of legion ) doenst have equipment, are the slowest, have the worst E-war capabilities if any and have the biggest hitbox of all the infantry classes, are OP ? beacuse they only have 1 weapon for infantry and is only effective at 40m, meanwhile the others have laser, RR, CR, remotes explosives.... heck even the plasma cannon can off heavies easy beacuse of how slow they are. GIF in the forums: oh well it was till it lasted
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 731	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:59:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Which is why I think scan range should be increased to 100m~ but reduce strength over range. This would get a resounding thumbs up in my book and I have pushed for this in the past with some random comments but that was during the time of the scanners so it didn't go over so well . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 632	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:05:00 - [38] - Quote Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Because, that's why.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4478	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:09:00 - [39] - Quote . RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 184	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:13:00 - [40] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC.

THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 752	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:13:00 - [41] - Quote Finally someone understands, I've had proficiency V HMG since uprising 1.0 and I nearly never use it since it's so disgustingly overpowered. I feel dirty using it. At least you have to aim with the CR TDBS My * points to her interface{} if you know what I mean
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9522	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:16:00 - [42] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC. Probably because you're recognized as threat #1 and everyone instantly starts peppering you with bullets. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
RolyatDerTeufel 1785	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:24:00 - [43] - Quote #HMGesus Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 57	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:50:00 - [44] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: http://i.imgur.com/KgCGB3L.jpg That xSivartx guy ran a Republic Boundless HMG and Minmatar Heavy against my eWar scout (87 armor). It was a challenging match, and it was also an exciting fight because that combo of speed+HMG was full on beast mode. We at D.a.r.k Legion are proud of our Heavy infantry.
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1049	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:18:00 - [45] - Quote HMG is OP but it's not difficult to counter. It's great for melting noobs. When Dust is ashes, then you will have my permission to Dance.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 192	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:20:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC. Probably because you're recognized as threat #1 and everyone instantly starts peppering you with bullets. Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Problem with HMG is the suit - it cannot preform. It completely relies on the gun. Now you want to nerf the gun? Then buff the **** out of the heavy suit. But, honestly, imo, heavies should be removed from game. CCP can't balance them for shyt.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3317	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:23:00 - [47] - Quote At least it doesn't kill me in half a second from 100+ meters away like the 1.7 RRs could. Try using the HMG on an open map with a slow ass heavy. I dare you. The HMG is situational, only good for point defense and CQC. If someone maintains their distance on you instead of rushing you like a dumbass you're dead. You're also scout bait. Run into more people than you can handle and you'll also die very easily. Also, the better HMGs are mainly good for the extra range. You can only shoot so far with the basic HMG. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Alina Heart DEST1NY AWAITS 504	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:29:00 - [48] - Quote Congrats you killed a bunch of scrubs who thought it was a good idea to sneak behind a heavy in close quarters while in a scout suit and using a Combat Rifle. Stop wasting our time noob. ==============[ !.GÇó°¤(`Gÿà´)* GÖÑ -à+ü+¿+¦-à +ª¦¦-à+Ö¦« GÖÑ *(´Gÿà`)¤°GÇó.! ]===========
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 388	Posted - 2014.05.07 20:35:00 - [49] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... gladly theres no more update Gastun ftw bitches
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 633	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:02:00 - [50] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC. I never played PC, my understanding though is it is a skirmish match with a high zerg factor, which plays against the strengths of the heavies. So yeah, heavies have some disadvantages but the HMG is too efficient at its job. You going to San Japan? Because, that's why.

Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 532	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:05:00 - [51] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: lLogies are OP Take it back, now!
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:13:00 - [52] - Quote oh... another noob trying to balance weapons vs scrubs in a pub... never seen this before
Soldier of Mawat Altyr Initiative 217	Posted - 2014.05.07 23:35:00 - [53] - Quote If you think the standard HMG is crazy at CQC then try the burst. If you can keep your rounds on target you can rip apart pretty much anything in 3-4 bursts max. Scouts aren't as much of a problem if you can get them in your sights. I pretty much only use the burst now, I find it's a good compliment for the speed of a minny sentinel.
xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 82	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:55:00 - [54] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: http://i.imgur.com/KgCGB3L.jpg That xSivartx guy ran a Republic Boundless HMG and Minmatar Heavy against my eWar scout (87 armor). It was a challenging match, and it was also an exciting fight because that combo of speed+HMG was full on beast mode. This is what 2yrs as a heavy looks like.
ANON Cerberus ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 840	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:06:00 - [55] - Quote While I am glad that you are starting to open your eyes a little more to this game now Babar. You change your mind like the f-ing wind. How can anyone take you seriously?
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:53:00 - [56] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... I dont disagree that it is Easy, but it is a minigun, I feel its doing its job, scouts in your back are an easy kills, I mean **** the shotgun is easy.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 676	Posted - 2014.06.17 19:35:00 - [57] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: So now we're going back to trashing like business as usual huh ??? Please ... just give it a rest already and this has nothing to do with FF comments because if your going up against skilled heavies your going to have problems , since your claiming it's easy mode . If it was OP then it really wouldn't matter , shot-gunners will still give you trouble and also CR users as well and with the large amount of players that quit and prob came back with less skill points it will seem easy , there are a lot of new characters playing now so everything might seem OP . ^^This^^^ people need to stop comeing here saying everything thing is OP cause they tryed it out in a pub match and went 50-3 because there are some brand new clueless redots running around. LOL i just had to catch myself cause i was about to post about how OP the scout shotgun is cause i tryed a full ewar fit with no HP and went 49-1 but then i realised that i was just playing against really bad players. Heavys fine scouts fine just buff the assault suit and we have a party. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 544	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:01:00 - [58] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: lol, wait I though Cloak scouts with Combat rifles/shottys were EZ mode. =S Heavies with RR and CR are OP, Logies are OP, ADSs are OP, tanks are OP, Thale Commandos are OP, now HMG is OP. Everything OP. Sounds like balance to me. Is there anything we need to discuss being UP? dust 514 as a game is UP and ccp is in a slow process of bleeding you fools dry while nerfing the game into oblivion
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:10:00 - [59] - Quote the only thing about heavies I think needs changing is their turn speed. the hmg should mow you down in seconds and their suits should take a beating.... however if you can get behind them they should die 90% of the time due to slow turning speed... then they would be perfect. I have an alt who is a heavy but I hardly play him, as a shotgun logi with remotes, I don't really have an issue killing them one on one, so I'm not some heavy scrub who doesn't want a nerf.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:12:00 - [60] - Quote im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1

MASTERmw100 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:44:00 - [61] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6065	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:01:00 - [62] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: If the HMG and/or EHP of heavies are nerffed, then what makes them diferent from the assault class? And we don't have equipment, just our HMG and forge gun. Killing is kind of the only thing we have out for us. The only issue I see with the HMG is how effective it is at 40m. at 40 meters you have less dps then any light weapon barring the PC or SG Ah, so it becomes a Plasma Rifle? A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 241	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:25:00 - [63] - Quote MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ******* idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1447	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote Jesus the butthurts cant stop wailing..... CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. DEAL WITH IT... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:32:00 - [65] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ******* idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. All heavies are in cqc areas They never come out they're no ways to effectively counter them, when they're spammed it's stupid. Hmg is op. Just the hmg. Choo Choo
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1448	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:33:00 - [66] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Because you're ***** idiots and want to engage people at short range with a medium to long range weapon, while standing in a medium to long range dropsuit. All heavies are in cqc areas They never come out they're no ways to effectively counter them, when they're spammed it's stupid. Hmg is op. Just the hmg. CCP Rattati wrote:** I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1338	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:13:00 - [67] - Quote Heavies need that high ehp. They are all about defense, and the bonuses they have should remain, along with they're health. The HMG, is far better at offense than even the shotgun. this is what the problem is. Just like with blaster tanks. Tanks should be able to tank a buttload of damage from multiple AV sources, but should have a hard time hitting those AV sources with their big old turrets. If they want to hit small targets like dropsuits, they should fit small turrets. In a similar fashion, the HMG should have a hard time focusing fire on targets to slaughter them. In this respect, increasing their dispersion would help tremendously. Heavies are still hard to kill, but aren't so easy to kill with. If they want precision, they should equip a sidearm. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 679	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:15:00 - [68] - Quote MASTERmw100 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: im really getting sick of the heavy QQ. you people are just scrubs. get good and don't engage heavies within their effective range You can say that to PC players. Ex assault players are running heavies now LOLOLOLOL. Just get a logi and there you go you have basically a wall, now imagine over 10 heavies. Ex assault players are now slayer scouts takeing a poop on every heavy they see. Go run a heavy suit in PC and see how balanced it is yah nubs. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 868	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:25:00 - [69] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Yes, heavies have disadvantages but lets not act like tankers and deny that the HMG is too efficient at its job. Tankers, like HMG, do not preform nearly as well in PC as they do in pubs. This is why I just like to enjoy the tears - because you're not thinking of competitive play - only silly pubs. When heavies start going 23/3 like scouts are doing - then we can talk about nerfing us. Until then - enjoy seeing us at the bottom the leaderboard in each PC. Probably because you're recognized as threat #1 and everyone instantly starts peppering you with bullets. That and it PC is always Skirmish, the least friendly game for heavies. Because, that's why.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:27:00 - [70] - Quote Why was the old thread bumped? Dammit! Saying what's on people's minds

KingBabar MAG was better... 2620	Posted - 2014.06.18 05:42:00 - [71] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: While I am glad that you are starting to open your eyes a little more to this game now Babar. You change your mind like the f-ing wind. How can anyone take you seriously? Well, being at the receiving end of a weapon is hardly the right form of experience needed to claim something is OP. Using it yourself, and in this case with close to no Isk and absolutely no SP invsted is a much better way of making a viable opinion. And there is the key argument, use a militia suit of any kind other than a Heavy and put a basic weapon on it with no SP invested and try and average the same results, my guess is that you can't. - A militia/basic fitting with no relevant SPs invested shouldn't be about as effective as a fully specced proto fitting which has 8 M + more SP invested while costing 10 times as much in terms of isk. What do you think would happen if I where using a maxed out proto HMG on a maxed out proto fatsuit? I knew it was easy, but I had no idea how riddiculus it actually was. Therefore, I'm entitled to change mymind due to New information... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
dzizur 6 dayz 39	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:09:00 - [72] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... making assumptions based on 3 suits used... yeah, that's what I come to expect from these forums, but didn't know good players such as yourself (im basing this on being killed by you) make such dumb statements
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 180	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:21:00 - [73] - Quote heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:04:00 - [74] - Quote dzizur wrote: KingBabar wrote: Despite hating the thing, I have defended it on all points except for the pushback effect of the rounds which are insane... It occured to me when logging in today, I have never used one. 120 000 + kills if you include alts and beta, and I have never used that gun once. So I bought 3 of the basic ones through the faction marked, got my Dren fatty, put on a toxin smg, 2x proto armor reps and a shield extender and tried it out. WOW - simply WOW. I have always expected it to be easy mode for scrubs with no gungame but come on! The gun is simply put; completely riddiculous in its current form, it destroyes anything, mostly with them not being able to fire back due to the pushback effect. Several guys got the complete drop on me, filled me full of CR bullets and I only have to casually turn around and more or less one-shot them, no effort or even haste. And another thing, I got headshot after headshot with it, just aim a little up and it takes care of it for you. Yeah its supposed to be powerfull and all, but should it really be so EFFORTLESS? I lost my 2 first suit to gues what? Yes another fatty with a HMG, and the last one to a shotty scout, but at that point I'd basically cleared the room. And this experience is with 0 skillpoints invested (well core skills obviously), in a 16 K isk+gun fitting... I can only imagine what would happen if I put 8 M SP into suit and gun and tossed another 200 K isk on the fitting, making it "equal in terms of investment" to my other fittings...... Think you got some kind of skill running around with 1500 HP and a death ray? Think again - I proclaim it being the NR1 EZ-mode of Dust..... making assumptions based on 3 suits used... yeah, that's what I come to expect from these forums, but didn't know good players such as yourself (im basing this on being killed by you) make such dumb statements LOL, those 3 suits lasted like 12 games....And we're talking about unmodded militia suits here.... And for the record, the suits are perfectly fine, the HMG is the real issue. Not that I actually care, I deleted the game several weeks ago.... Its just funny how I could go so long in 3 militia suits, I've hardly ever gotten so many kills using 3 proto whatever.... I should have recorded it all, I had like a 30+ KDR wearing militia fatty With basic factional HMG.... I can only achieve that in a protosuit when I'm up against the scrubbiest of noobs. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:10:00 - [75] - Quote rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Cavani1EE7 The Rainbow Effect 94	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:30:00 - [76] - Quote KingBabar wrote: rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) Taz dropped 37-3 a couple days ago. You would've been proud of him. 1337
KingBabar MAG was better... 2622	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:50:00 - [77] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: KingBabar wrote: rpastry wrote: heavy is fine, babar just likes to run at everything ;p Yeah, seing Taz go 30-2 game after game in his HMG speed fit, but that's only Natural for a player with his uber slayer skills... Go and ask Dark ir87 and hear what he says about the matter, his KDR went skyrocketing after the suit respec when he got a fatty/HMG combo.... Don't delude yourselves peeps, HMG/Fatty is the current EZ infantry mode.... Why else would there be such a wast amount of them in nearly every game? (So I've been told anyways...) Taz dropped 37-3 a couple days ago. You would've been proud of him. That was in his Scout-CR combo right? RIGHT????? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.


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