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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4295	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:46:00 - [1] - Quote Lord Vyper wrote: So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears. Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without. If you are purchasing with any other frame of mind you are deluding yourself. If EVE 2 ever came out I would fully expect to start with nothing. I would have to decide if it was worth it to me. What new features are coming? Do I own the platform? Is it worth buying it I don't. CCP is a game Developer not your parents. Their business staying afloat is always going to be a priority over gamers feelings. Enjoy Dust for what it is now or don't play it.All of you guys have put time and effort into a game that was a shell of what it was promised to be. Do you consider that wasted? If so why did you continue to play instead of waiting for the game to evolve into what you wanted it to be. The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it. Unless you prepaid for features that were never developed you are just along for the ride like the rest of us in Eve's Universe. The sandbox just got shook. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris? Keep playing Dust and give feedback on shaping the next game or rage about it and quit. Its your time and money use it better than this. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 451	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:56:00 - [2] - Quote Good quote IMO QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4296	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:58:00 - [3] - Quote Indeed. It covers both sides of the coin when dealing with current arguments on the forums Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 494	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:01:00 - [4] - Quote We bought the Aurum/Packs under the impression that we will be playing this game for longer than two years. Had I known that my boosters were pointless I would have never bought a single aurum pack.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1423	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:03:00 - [5] - Quote The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4297	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:05:00 - [6] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: We bought the Aurum/Packs under the impression that we will be playing this game for longer than two years. Had I known that my boosters were pointless I would have never bought a single aurum pack. You bought AUR packs for entertainment purposes only. Nowhere is it listed or stated that buying AUR packs guarantees that Dust will continue to be develop. That is something that you thought and you were wrong in that. And c'mon, you bought an AUR pack to boost skillpoint gain. Nothing more and nothing less Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 774	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:06:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lord Vyper wrote: So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears. Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without. If you are purchasing with any other frame of mind you are deluding yourself. If EVE 2 ever came out I would fully expect to start with nothing. I would have to decide if it was worth it to me. What new features are coming? Do I own the platform? Is it worth buying it I don't. CCP is a game Developer not your parents. Their business staying afloat is always going to be a priority over gamers feelings. Enjoy Dust for what it is now or don't play it.All of you guys have put time and effort into a game that was a shell of what it was promised to be. Do you consider that wasted? If so why did you continue to play instead of waiting for the game to evolve into what you wanted it to be. The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it. Unless you prepaid for features that were never developed you are just along for the ride like the rest of us in Eve's Universe. The sandbox just got shook. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris? Keep playing Dust and give feedback on shaping the next game or rage about it and quit. Its your time and money use it better than this. I understand the OP's point, but I believe he is missing the point of why people are mad. For me, I just felt misled. I bought into the "10 year plan" and into them being, "laser focused" making Dust better for the PS3. It is not a question of if I can afford Aurum or a new gaming rig. The question is, why continue to mislead your player/fan base for all these months? Dust players are not forced to spend money at all.- agreed. But, most purchases were made with the assumption that items purchased, mostly boosters for me for the upcoming future, i.e., next 10 years. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears- this is not Eve Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without- agreed but at the same time. When said purchased were made, it was for the future of Dust514. There was no indication(noticeable anyhow) that the game would be taking the course it is on now CCP is a game Developer not your parents- true, what happened to, "CCP's mission is to attract and retain customers by providing top quality online entertainment. CCP does this by establishing and nurturing a trust relationship with customers both in terms of quality of content as well as quality of service." ?Straight from their website The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. -without that "drop in the bucket" would Dust even be where it is now? Was there Kickstarters for Dust? As a "customer", I consider myself to be an "investor". Especially with what was promised time and time again CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes.- I disagree. People like myself are what keeps food on the table and a house over their heads. Investors are just that, investors. They support companies like CCP KNOWING that it could fail. Fail how you might ask? By not having a player base or supporters to do those micro transactions. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it- agreed, it is just a game. A game with broken promises and misleading untruths. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris?- I'm still playing, but CCP can answer the question better than anyone else. What have the numbers been like since the announcement? I don't expect a truth, but it would be nice to know. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 653	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:07:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: We bought the Aurum/Packs under the impression that we will be playing this game for longer than two years. Had I known that my boosters were pointless I would have never bought a single aurum pack. You bought AUR packs for entertainment purposes only. Nowhere is it listed or stated that buying AUR packs guarantees that Dust will continue to be develop. That is something that you thought and you were wrong in that. And c'mon, you bought an AUR pack to boost skillpoint gain. Nothing more and nothing less BINGO '#PCMasterRace
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4297	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:08:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 774	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:08:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: We bought the Aurum/Packs under the impression that we will be playing this game for longer than two years. Had I known that my boosters were pointless I would have never bought a single aurum pack. You bought AUR packs for entertainment purposes only. Nowhere is it listed or stated that buying AUR packs guarantees that Dust will continue to be develop. That is something that you thought and you were wrong in that. And c'mon, you bought an AUR pack to boost skillpoint gain. Nothing more and nothing less So buying 4 years worth of Merc packs before they were taken off the market and buying over 300 Omega packs is my fault? Seeing as they were bought with the message that they were "laser focused" on making Dust514 a better game on the PS3? That is my fault? Really man? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 776	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:09:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4299	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:11:00 - [12] - Quote Well, the post I have in the OP was not to "1 up" those who are upset or to cheer on ones who view it differently than the majority. All the BS aside, I think he brought up some good points that are worth considering on both sides of argument. I have read only a few constructive, unbiased opinions that look at the situation for what it is and give an honest assessment. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 776	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:14:00 - [13] - Quote And to add. The boosters were bought to progress a character I was sure would be around for the long-term future. Like I have heard CCP say before, " no skill is wasted. As in, you misclicked into a skill you didn't need at the time. I used the boosters but for one reason only. To make my Merc the best he could be in the future. I know everything that goes on in Dust now was just a fraction of what was to come. I was playing the long game. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1784	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:16:00 - [14] - Quote http://www.reddit.com/r/evelegion tell ccp what you think about legion. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4299	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:17:00 - [15] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks to 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1424	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:17:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. I buy a donut expecting a donut. I expect the donut to be relatively fresh, and have the basic characteristics of a donut (sugary, doughy etc). If I am buying a donut, and have been told it is a donut, and am handed a bagel, then I have right to be upset. CCP stated they were laser focus on the PS3. Many people spent time and bought boosters because they believed they would be able to leverage those skill points in the future on the PS3, and logically the PS4. Likewise, people spent time on the game believing their was a commitment to the game, directly because of CCPs past statements. I am wondering if the parts of your brain that can empathize with others is working correctly, or if you are just a troll.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4299	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:21:00 - [17] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. I buy a donut expecting a donut. I expect the donut to be relatively fresh, and have the basic characteristics of a donut (sugary, doughy etc). If I am buying a donut, and have been told it is a donut, and am handed a bagel, then I have right to be upset. CCP stated they were laser focus on the PS3. Many people spent time and bought boosters because they believed they would be able to leverage those skill points in the future on the PS3, and logically the PS4. Likewise, people spent time on the game believing their was a commitment to the game, directly because of CCPs past statements. I am wondering if the parts of your brain that can empathize with others is working correctly, or if you are just a troll. Except that when you made that transaction, you got a donut. It wasn't promised to be the greatest donut. It wasn't promised to be just out of the oven 10 seconds ago. You got a donut. So your argument doesn't make sense really. You paid real world money for in game items that you have allocated to your account. Did you not receive those items? If no, then yes you have an argument. But you received those items. You have used and probably still use those items. That's a black and white transaction there. If you cannot see this, then you sir, have the scorned gf syndrome. I understand you're upset about the situation but the "I've spent money on this game!" arguments are rather weak and don't really deal with the truth of the matter Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1427	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:23:00 - [18] - Quote People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 452	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:24:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. I buy a donut expecting a donut. I expect the donut to be relatively fresh, and have the basic characteristics of a donut (sugary, doughy etc). If I am buying a donut, and have been told it is a donut, and am handed a bagel, then I have right to be upset. CCP stated they were laser focus on the PS3. Many people spent time and bought boosters because they believed they would be able to leverage those skill points in the future on the PS3, and logically the PS4. Likewise, people spent time on the game believing their was a commitment to the game, directly because of CCPs past statements. I am wondering if the parts of your brain that can empathize with others are working correctly, or if you are just a troll. But you got the ******* donut! Now you just have to eat it and walk away from a dyeing Krispy Kreme. QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 777	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:24:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks for 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? LOL....doesn't matter when I live. but if you want to go there. I typically have people like you mow my yard and wash my vehicles. If you are happy with what you paid for, that is on you. As a consumer, I am not getting what I paid for in the future, according the the plan they are laying out. Specifically the FF 2014 announcement. I'm not taking pot shots. I am only stating the facts. Not sure why you think they are pot shots, but I should not be suprised. I've not received the full entertainment value of what I have spent. AGAIN, since you seem to be missing that point. Monies was spent for the long haul of the game. Not for a year or two. How and why is that point hard to understand? I didn't have to be in a room for them to make a promise of a game that was going to be around 10 years from now. You are either trolling or the most incompetent person I have ever seen on this forum. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 777	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:26:00 - [21] - Quote Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 45	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:27:00 - [22] - Quote Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 452	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:28:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4305	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. So you accuse me of "wordsmithing" but you believe that you've been scammed out of your money? I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Lord Vyper wrote: So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. It's truly unfortunate. I don't think anybody read the quote in its entirety. All they reading is "you QQers need to stop QQing". Strange, when you read the quote. He says something for my side of the argument and for theirs. No one sees that though because they blinded by negativity. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:31:00 - [25] - Quote And to be honest, I understand why they are moving all their energy to the PC. That is what they have done in the past and feel more comfortable with it. My question to them would be, did you not know the console was a different animal when you took the project on? I am all for the move to the PC. Will I play it, doubt it. Why? Because to get me to play I would have one request and only one. That all my Aurum purchased be put on my Legion account. Even Aurum that has already been used in boosters. AGAIN, I know some don't understand this but boosters were bought and used on the idea that the game was going to be around for a long, long time. I know it is hard to understand how and why a person would do this, but it is true. I had faith in CCP doing what they said they would do. Be laser focused on bringing Dust 514 to the PS3. I bought into it. End of story "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
tastzlike chicken Rogue Spades 255	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:32:00 - [26] - Quote What is it about that quote that you found interesting? I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:32:00 - [27] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:34:00 - [28] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:36:00 - [29] - Quote And I've not asked for a refund that I can remember. I've said in other threads that I don't even need my SP or ISK to move forward. That I would only request that I have my Aurum put into the new game upon release of a version to the PS4. Without that, I'll just chalk it up as a loss and move on. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4305	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:37:00 - [30] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4305	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:38:00 - [31] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? So you really expected Dust to be around for 10 years when the PS3/X360 generation was coming to a close and even remarked as being one of the longest generations that needs to end? C'mon, you're smarter than that. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Beld Errmon 1648	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:40:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Thank you for doing so, the sheer volume of BS being peddled by the butt hurt is just amazing, this subject stands out at the front of the load they are spewing, dust wasn't funded by some crowd sourcing initiative and I doubt its even made a profit from all these "donations" that ppl have handed out, I'm sure someone could estimate the costs involved in dusts staff, assets and bills, our aur purchases probably don't even put a dent in it. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4306	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:41:00 - [33] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: What is it about that quote that you found interesting? LOL I think the underline says what. But I know what you're saying in reality though. Sucks you're missing the point like so many... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:42:00 - [34] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? the difference is Defiance is still currently and continuing to plan on releasing content for defiance, how is that working out for dust now? Defiance = satisfied purchase and looking forward to opening up to a larger player count BioClone Ax-45 wrote: ...You get it right? *RED LIGHT*
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1432	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:42:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. So you accuse me of "wordsmithing" but you believe that you've been scammed out of your money? I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Lord Vyper wrote: So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. It's truly unfortunate. I don't think anybody read the quote in its entirety. All they reading is "you QQers need to stop QQing". Strange, when you read the quote. He says something for my side of the argument and for theirs. No one sees that though because they blinded by negativity. I would like to hear your common sense explanation of how that comment was innaccurate. Did CCP not state they were laser focused on the PS3? Did they not renege on that commitment? Did people not spend money on the game precisely because of that commitment?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:42:00 - [36] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:44:00 - [37] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Thank you for doing so, the sheer volume of BS being peddled by the butt hurt is just amazing, this subject stands out at the front of the load they are spewing, dust wasn't funded by some crowd sourcing initiative and I doubt its even made a profit from all these "donations" that ppl have handed out, I'm sure someone could estimate the costs involved in dusts staff, assets and bills, our aur purchases probably don't even put a dent in it. I couldn't agree more. But every little bit helps, correct? What if there were no Aurum purchases on Dust side. I wonder if the game would be where it is now? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4306	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:44:00 - [38] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Thank you for doing so, the sheer volume of BS being peddled by the butt hurt is just amazing, this subject stands out at the front of the load they are spewing, dust wasn't funded by some crowd sourcing initiative and I doubt its even made a profit from all these "donations" that ppl have handed out, I'm sure someone could estimate the costs involved in dusts staff, assets and bills, our aur purchases probably don't even put a dent in it. I'm glad you posted that. We need more constructive, truthful posts instead of what I've been seeing around here lately. And this has been going on, for what, about a year now? The subject changes, the execution and the frequency of it is still same around here. I know I will see you on the battlefield if Legion gets the green. Look forward to that. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 455	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:44:00 - [39] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? Yeah, except that this product was bein built with bad materials, and for the better of the company, it had to get new equipment and move to a new location, so now, not everyone has access to it. In the end, the money spent was for the good of the game, was it not? The move to PC will be for the good of the game, will it not? I don't understand people. A few months back, a lot of people wanted PS4 support, and through the move to PC, this will happen. WTF is it that you want? Your money back? A new product? Here's the big question: Do you really want Dust to be on the PS3 during the course of its 10 year plan that you keep referencing? QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:45:00 - [40] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? the difference is Defiance is still currently and continuing to plan on releasing content for defiance, how is that working out for dust now? Defiance = satisfied purchase and looking forward to opening up to a larger player count BioClone Ax-45 wrote: ...You get it right? Dust is currently done. You know that. Did you really need someone to tell you? Of course you didn't. You are giving yourself alley-oops for the forum in an attempt to troll. LOL....I'll give you a +1 because it seems you are desperate for them. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:46:00 - [41] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: And to be honest, I understand why they are moving all their energy to the PC. That is what they have done in the past and feel more comfortable with it. My question to them would be, did you not know the console was a different animal when you took the project on? I am all for the move to the PC. Will I play it, doubt it. Why? Because to get me to play I would have one request and only one. That all my Aurum purchased be put on my Legion account. Even Aurum that has already been used in boosters. AGAIN, I know some don't understand this but boosters were bought and used on the idea that the game was going to be around for a long, long time. I know it is hard to understand how and why a person would do this, but it is true. I had faith in CCP doing what they said they would do. Be laser focused on bringing Dust 514 to the PS3. I bought into it. End of story LOL SP transfer OR the Aur you already spent Make a choose but dont think they re idiots.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4306	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:48:00 - [42] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. C'mon bigole, the "are you new here" is silly. And I was being serious when I asked if mommy and daddy paid your bills because I don't know how an adult, in this situation, does not understand that buying AUR was for entertainment purposes only. I'm not here to change your opinion. That wasn't the point of thread. The quote speaks to both supporters and non supporters. I underlined what I felt is important but the entire quote is worth considering for both sides. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:48:00 - [43] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? Yeah, except that this product was bein built with bad materials, and for the better of the company, it had to get new equipment and move to a new location, so now, not everyone has access to it. In the end, the money spent was for the good of the game, was it not? The move to PC will be for the good of the game, will it not? I don't understand people. A few months back, a lot of people wanted PS4 support, and through the move to PC, this will happen. WTF is it that you want? Your money back? A new product? Here's the big question: Do you really want Dust to be on the PS3 during the course of its 10 year plan that you keep referencing? I've never said I wanted the game to be on the PS3 forever. Not once in this post or any for that matter. A move to the PS4 seemed like the logical choice to me. Being blind-sided with a move to PC and not even sure a move to Ps4 will come according to the Dev posts was not in the plans for me. I don't want money back. Read my posts. I can even accept a complete and total loss. Don't need SP or ISK to move forward either. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:50:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. C'mon bigole, the "are you new here" is silly. And I was being serious when I asked if mommy and daddy paid your bills because I don't know how an adult, in this situation, does not understand that buying AUR was for entertainment purposes only. I'm not here to change your opinion. That wasn't the point of thread. The quote speaks to both supporters and non supporters. I underlined what I felt is important but the entire quote is worth considering for both sides. I was entertained, no doubt. I spent money that I could still be entertained with years down the road. How can an adult not understand that? I've not even said I was unhappy with the direction of the game. You have to be trolling at this point to not understand. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4306	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:51:00 - [45] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. C'mon bigole, the "are you new here" is silly. And I was being serious when I asked if mommy and daddy paid your bills because I don't know how an adult, in this situation, does not understand that buying AUR was for entertainment purposes only. I'm not here to change your opinion. That wasn't the point of thread. The quote speaks to both supporters and non supporters. I underlined what I felt is important but the entire quote is worth considering for both sides. I was entertained, no doubt. I spent money that I could still be entertained with years down the road. How can an adult not understand that? I've not even said I was unhappy with the direction of the game. You have to be trolling at this point to not understand. No sir, you were trolling. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:52:00 - [46] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? Was all of that on the PSN Item description when you bought it? Nope , same way nobody told me Defiance or Old republic would be "free" on the future... Deal with it.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 456	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:56:00 - [47] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: LUGMOS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? Yeah, except that this product was bein built with bad materials, and for the better of the company, it had to get new equipment and move to a new location, so now, not everyone has access to it. In the end, the money spent was for the good of the game, was it not? The move to PC will be for the good of the game, will it not? I don't understand people. A few months back, a lot of people wanted PS4 support, and through the move to PC, this will happen. WTF is it that you want? Your money back? A new product? Here's the big question: Do you really want Dust to be on the PS3 during the course of its 10 year plan that you keep referencing? I've never said I wanted the game to be on the PS3 forever. Not once in this post or any for that matter. A move to the PS4 seemed like the logical choice to me. Being blind-sided with a move to PC and not even sure a move to Ps4 will come according to the Dev posts was not in the plans for me. I don't want money back. Read my posts. I can even accept a complete and total loss. Don't need SP or ISK to move forward either. So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4, then JUST **** OFF AND LET CCP DO WHAT THEY DO BEST!!! (Develop PC games) QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [48] - Quote LOL...I very well may do that. They obviously need the money way worse than I do. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2792	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [49] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4 Where does this myth comes from? Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [50] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? Was all of that on the PSN Item description when you bought it? Nope , same way nobody told me Defiance or Old republic would be "free" on the future... Deal with it. doubt any of it was in the PSN description. But according to DEv posts here, the game would be around and they were laser focused. Trolling? LOL, yeah that is what I am doing. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 649	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [51] - Quote I guess I almost expect my SP to move over into Legion. The reason for this is that basically the money I invested into boosters would instantly be worthless if my SP doesn't. Had I known Legion was coming without an SP transfer, I'd have never bought them in the first place. It would almost be the same as me paying on my satellite tv several months out based on an "incentive" they provided (such as a getting a small refund on my total billing costs at the end of the year) but then the satellite provider just says they're shutting down all reception a couple months after and keeps all my money I paid for a full year's worth of television, based upon their own words. If CCP doesn't execute SP transfers, or provide some sort of Aur compensation if they don't, that's what it'll be. Payment for something I will not have access to.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2794	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:01:00 - [52] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: I guess I almost expect my SP to move over into Legion. The reason for this is that basically the money I invested into boosters would instantly be worthless if my SP doesn't. Had I known Legion was coming without an SP transfer, I'd have never bought them in the first place. it's the same if I knew it was going to move on PC instead of ps4, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 792	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:02:00 - [53] - Quote I'll have to agree with the above poster. Had they told us months ago that they were focusing on a new game for the PC and backing off of the future of Dust, I would have halted any new purchases. Pretty sure they know this, so why come forward with that information. I was angry when McDonalds cancelled the McRib years ago. Now it just makes cameos from time to time on the menu. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2523	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:03:00 - [54] - Quote The problem with the whole thing is that we FEEL lied to and disrespected. I don't think -that most players- want a refund or anything like that but we do want some feeling of respect and CCP didn't give us that. They seemingly lied to us about PS3 development and the future of the game by continuously selling us in game items and assuring us that they were focused on this game on this platform for the foreseeable future when in fact they had already moved resources to anther game and platform. They implied that there would be progress and we inferred that it would be here and tried to stick it out through all the problems the game has only to slapped in the face with the fanfest announcement. To me it isn't about the money it is about how they treated me as a customer and a fan of their products. They have damaged their name by not being honest, straightforward or open about what they wanted to do. Some honesty would have went a long way but they decided not to do that, they decided -in the players eyes- to do what they wanted without any regard to their customers. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 197	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:04:00 - [55] - Quote Just speculating on the OP mentioning Eve 2. Considering what happened here if they announced that and said it was moving to console because it was a better move for developing the game the shitstorm that would arise would.melt the webternet itself.. Playing the game badly since Replication
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 792	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:05:00 - [56] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The problem with the whole thing is that we FEEL lied to and disrespected. I don't think -that most players- want a refund or anything like that but we do want some feeling of respect and CCP didn't give us that. They seemingly lied to us about PS3 development and the future of the game by continuously selling us in game items and assuring us that they were focused on this game on this platform for the foreseeable future when in fact they had already moved resources to anther game and platform. They implied that there would be progress and we inferred that it would be here and tried to stick it out through all the problems the game has only to slapped in the face with the fanfest announcement. To me it isn't about the money it is about how they treated me as a customer and a fan of their products. They have damaged their name by not being honest, straightforward or open about what they wanted to do. Some honesty would have went a long way but they decided not to do that, they decided -in the players eyes- to do what they wanted without any regard to their customers. Don't waste your time anymore man. The answer/response here will be pretty much you should have known better and you don't deserve anything. You are nothing but a customer. Not deserving of any respect and CCP doesn't owe you any truths. I hope one day this happens to Eve side people or worse. I'll come back to read the whining LOL "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 456	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:05:00 - [57] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4 Where does this myth comes from? PC architecture is apparently very similar to PS4 architecture, so logically, once you create a product that is stable for PC, the transfer will be a much easier transition QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14077	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:07:00 - [58] - Quote Legion is the only reason I feel my purchases were worth anything at all. DUST had no tangible future on the PS3, and going to PC will get us a higher quality PS4 port, faster.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2794	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:08:00 - [59] - Quote Seamie Schmoove wrote: Just speculating on the OP mentioning Eve 2. Considering what happened here if they announced that and said it was moving to console because it was a better move for developing the game the shitstorm that would arise would.melt the webternet itself.. There was a shitstorm when they announced Dust 514 for ps3, go figure... Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2523	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:08:00 - [60] - Quote I am a fanboy but I am hurt by it and I will be letting one of my EVE accounts go because of this. I have no other way to show how upset I am about it. I may let my main go but I haven't decided yet, it is bad customer relations and hope that they see that. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:08:00 - [61] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? Was all of that on the PSN Item description when you bought it? Nope , same way nobody told me Defiance or Old republic would be "free" on the future... Deal with it. doubt any of it was in the PSN description. But according to DEv posts here, the game would be around and they were laser focused. Trolling? LOL, yeah that is what I am doing. Believe me I understand why you say what you say, but if You havent noticed when its about money moral do not count. Example? all what happened with Occulus rift when was sold to Facebook. Moral says "people who kickstarted it should get a refund..." In business that means nothing. They deserve more as they get nothing 4 it, you get Aur.
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 197	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:09:00 - [62] - Quote Or...they'll announce 2 months into Valkyrie that its been shelved and development is being shifted to their new Ip.. Eve:Butterfly... On the WiiU Playing the game badly since Replication
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2794	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:12:00 - [63] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4 Where does this myth comes from? PC architecture is apparently very similar to PS4 architecture, so logically, once you create a product that is stable for PC, the transfer will be a much easier transition And, it works both ways, doesn't it? Moreover, who will really even try to compete with a PC? Remember this. Master package, I wonder if that's why PC gamers are self-entitled master race. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 456	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:13:00 - [64] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: The problem with the whole thing is that we FEEL lied to and disrespected. I don't think -that most players- want a refund or anything like that but we do want some feeling of respect and CCP didn't give us that. They seemingly lied to us about PS3 development and the future of the game by continuously selling us in game items and assuring us that they were focused on this game on this platform for the foreseeable future when in fact they had already moved resources to anther game and platform. They implied that there would be progress and we inferred that it would be here and tried to stick it out through all the problems the game has only to slapped in the face with the fanfest announcement. To me it isn't about the money it is about how they treated me as a customer and a fan of their products. They have damaged their name by not being honest, straightforward or open about what they wanted to do. Some honesty would have went a long way but they decided not to do that, they decided -in the players eyes- to do what they wanted without any regard to their customers. Don't waste your time anymore man. The answer/response here will be pretty much you should have known better and you don't deserve anything. You are nothing but a customer. Not deserving of any respect and CCP doesn't owe you any truths. I hope one day this happens to Eve side people or worse. I'll come back to read the whining LOL 'Tis true what you speak Robot. CCP should have been quite frank and more honest, but if you had known the fate of Dust, you would not have spent more money. That money will now go into the development of Dust II, so in the end, that money went to a good cause and is for the better of the game. This isn't to say it is the bet for the PS3 customers... This was actually quite a bogus move for those without a PC. I see your frustration, but again, it comes to the whole 'if you're spending this money on a game, you don't need it' thing. (Damn do I sound like a capitalist) QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 456	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:17:00 - [65] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4 Where does this myth comes from? PC architecture is apparently very similar to PS4 architecture, so logically, once you create a product that is stable for PC, the transfer will be a much easier transition And, it works both ways, doesn't it? Moreover, who will really even try to compete with a PC? Remember this. Master package, I wonder if that's why PC gamers are self-entitled master race. Damn the hacks to hell. Hacks will be present anywhere there is coding. Also, I believe CCP are very strict on this matter, as EVE hacks I have not seen. QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
DRE PrEaCh Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:18:00 - [66] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: And to be honest, I understand why they are moving all their energy to the PC. That is what they have done in the past and feel more comfortable with it. My question to them would be, did you not know the console was a different animal when you took the project on? I am all for the move to the PC. Will I play it, doubt it. Why? Because to get me to play I would have one request and only one. That all my Aurum purchased be put on my Legion account. Even Aurum that has already been used in boosters. AGAIN, I know some don't understand this but boosters were bought and used on the idea that the game was going to be around for a long, long time. I know it is hard to understand how and why a person would do this, but it is true. I had faith in CCP doing what they said they would do. Be laser focused on bringing Dust 514 to the PS3. I bought into it. End of story I COULD NOT F*****G AGREE WITH YOU MORE, AND IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY TO SOMEONE FROM ANCIENT EXILES ;) I did the same thing, I bought a lot of aurum to get boosters so I could get my character as strong as possible. I was thinking and planning things AS FAR AHEAD AS POSSIBLE. CCP's marketing team put omega's on and off the market to get people to "buy a lot" CUZ THE ITEM WAS ON FOR A LIMITED TIME. that's a strategy that they used to get people to buy aurum. Now that we have a lot of boosters and can't use them, WE ARE THE ONES GETTING SCREWED. WE GOT RIPPED OFF... JACKED! Sooo, for those knuckle heads or broke azz bit*s/blood suckers who never supported the game try to understand that point.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2795	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:23:00 - [67] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: LUGMOS wrote: So if you want "Dust" (aka Legion) on PS4, and from PC it will be easier to transfer to PS4 Where does this myth comes from? PC architecture is apparently very similar to PS4 architecture, so logically, once you create a product that is stable for PC, the transfer will be a much easier transition And, it works both ways, doesn't it? Moreover, who will really even try to compete with a PC? Remember this. Master package, I wonder if that's why PC gamers are self-entitled master race. Damn the hacks to hell. Hacks will be present anywhere there is coding. Also, I believe CCP are very strict on this matter, as EVE hacks I have not seen. O.O are you serious? Unless you don't consider Botting a kind of hack.... Hacks will be present anywhere there is coding. I disagree, not totally, but still disagree. I'm not going into details, mainly because english is not my first language so my point wouldn't probably be clear, but generally consoles are ironclad compared to a PC. We all want Dust (or legion, whatever they'll call it) to succeed, or at least, we wanted to succeed. That's why we invested in their dream: time, effort (giving proper and detailed feedbacks, suggestions etc), money. It's not simply because "they said it was going to be on ps4" (even if this alone would be enough to rage) but it's even because a competitive game that deeply influences another game must be as fair as possible. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 2402	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:28:00 - [68] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks for 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? You got a pretty mouth boy. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Cai Mo L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:37:00 - [69] - Quote Nothing has changed tbh, we all knew there was no eternal life in here. It's just that we are (somewhat) depressed atm cause the doctor has told us we will die soon (tm). Whether you can enjoy the afterlife that might follow depends on your 'religion' it seems. forum explorer, dust prospector and eve illuminati
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2796	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:41:00 - [70] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks for 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? Because "we're laser focused on ps3", "we'll set dust514 core first, then we'll move it to ps4" things. It's our fault if we invested in a dream? probably yes. If Dust514 was going to be totally scrapped I would even understand that **** happens. But that's not what's happening. They are coming out with 2 more titles. One of them is even multi platform. What's the point in betraying console community? It's just going to create bad advertisement. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1586	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:48:00 - [71] - Quote You can essentially say it is the fault of any victim of a con artist for being foolish enough to be conned. I accept my part of the blame for spending money on Dust 514 because I bought in on CCPs vision and wanted to support that (plus I liked BPO stuff). However, just because the victim shares some of the blame for gullibility it doesn't make the con artist (in this case CCP) any less guilty or any less of a scumbag. And most importantly once one discovers they have been conned, they are extra stupid if they let the same person con them again especially with the same con. That is how I feel about this situation, I haven't called Sony asking for refunds, I just realize I got taken by CCP and I'm not going to allow them to do it again. I am also going to let other gamers here or in other gaming forums know I feel CCP are con men, why I feel they are, and try to dissuade them for falling for the same thing. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4310	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:51:00 - [72] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks for 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? Because "we're laser focused on ps3", "we'll set dust514 core first, then we'll move it to ps4" things. It's our fault if we invested in a dream? probably yes. If Dust514 was going to be totally scrapped I would even understand that **** happens. But that's not what's happening. They are coming out with 2 more titles. One of them is even multi platform. What's the point in betraying console community? It's just going to create bad advertisement. You invested into a entertainment package. All the gushy feelings aside, we willingly played a game on last gen's tech. On a console whose successor is currently on store shelves. This is the understanding I came to after I left the dust settle concerning the keynote. And why people keep saying "betrayed". Alot of you guys are playing too heavy on the violin. Lay off. I just see things differently I guess. I was asked by my corpmates if I was mad. Told him I am indifferent, in which I am. I don't know, life is pretty good and I'm not taking this game seriously. There are many games that I have loved and wished to keep on going, alas its 2014 and there time is over or I have moved on. Of all the things that is happening in this world, the last thing I want to do is waste my energy on getting mad about a game that I have very well got my entertainment value and then some. It's not that serious. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4310	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:59:00 - [73] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: You can essentially say it is the fault of any victim of a con artist for being foolish enough to be conned. I accept my part of the blame for spending money on Dust 514 because I bought in on CCPs vision and wanted to support that (plus I liked BPO stuff). However, just because the victim shares some of the blame for gullibility it doesn't make the con artist (in this case CCP) any less guilty or any less of a scumbag. And most importantly once one discovers they have been conned, they are extra stupid if they let the same person con them again especially with the same con. That is how I feel about this situation, I haven't called Sony asking for refunds, I just realize I got taken by CCP and I'm not going to allow them to do it again. I am also going to let other gamers here or in other gaming forums know I feel CCP are con men, why I feel they are, and try to dissuade them for falling for the same thing. And yea it is. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. Cons are everywhere. In fact, we all should have raised our eyebrows when they said they have a 10 year plan for Dust on a console that is on its dying legs. Like I told whitedevil, life is pretty good that I don't need to waste my energy on getting mad about what has transpired. They didn't con me for I choose to pay for AUR. It wasn't forced upon me (since folks keep forgetting the OP, which states this also) and I had a choice that I could continue playing this game free of charge. Or I could put money into a game. Let's rewind that back... Or I could put money into a GAME Not something where I see my returns. Not something tangible. A simple game is what I put my money into for fake money and items I can't even go in my own closest and pull out. Like the quote in the OP, this should be understood that the money you're spending is disposable income. I got what I wanted from Dust and though I expected more, its still not enough for me to throw mud on it. I had and still have a great time in Dust. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2796	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:16:00 - [74] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: You can essentially say it is the fault of any victim of a con artist for being foolish enough to be conned. I accept my part of the blame for spending money on Dust 514 because I bought in on CCPs vision and wanted to support that (plus I liked BPO stuff). However, just because the victim shares some of the blame for gullibility it doesn't make the con artist (in this case CCP) any less guilty or any less of a scumbag. And most importantly once one discovers they have been conned, they are extra stupid if they let the same person con them again especially with the same con. That is how I feel about this situation, I haven't called Sony asking for refunds, I just realize I got taken by CCP and I'm not going to allow them to do it again. I am also going to let other gamers here or in other gaming forums know I feel CCP are con men, why I feel they are, and try to dissuade them for falling for the same thing. And yea it is. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. Cons are everywhere. In fact, we all should have raised our eyebrows when they said they have a 10 year plan for Dust on a console that is on its dying legs. Like I told whitedevil, life is pretty good that I don't need to waste my energy on getting mad about what has transpired. They didn't con me for I choose to pay for AUR. It wasn't forced upon me (since folks keep forgetting the OP, which states this also) and I had a choice that I could continue playing this game free of charge. Or I could put money into a game. Let's rewind that back... Or I could put money into a GAME Not something where I see my returns. Not something tangible. A simple game is what I put my money into for fake money and items I can't even go in my own closest and pull out. Like the quote in the OP, this should be understood that the money you're spending is disposable income. I got what I wanted from Dust and though I expected more, its still not enough for me to throw mud on it. I had and still have a great time in Dust. Yes, you made a valid point, but Dust is not simply "dying". It's moving. If you ask me whether or not it is "right" to rage upon a dying game, I'd answer no. But the general feeling here is that they lied. Of course, there are people who just don't give a damn if someone lie to them, but then it comes to personal attitudes. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 30	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:19:00 - [75] - Quote Great, some quote from... some dude? I assume an EVE player who's never played this game. Or you could be quoting yourself for props? Whatever. Hey, they sold this game as an MMO, and since they were a developer of a long-running, successful MMO, we expected we had some right to our accounts and our progress, so long as it didn't lose massive amounts of money, and that there would be advance notice so that people wouldn't invest further into something that was being killed off. Sure, lots of garbage MMO's will be cancelled by devs with no compensation to the players, but then these same devs make another game and you tell us it will be different this time so everybody climb aboard? And we're being unreasonable? Marvelous. That is the bare minimum I expected: advance notice that development would stop, so we would know that further progression would be pointless because the game would die soon after. I don't think that's an unreasonable to expect that from them while they are trying to sell me ANOTHER IDENTICAL MMO, but they decided to milk us for most of a year instead. Man I find it just shocking that these actions don't give the players here more pause. I really hope you don't have much attachment to your characters, because if CCP decides that they will sell to more people by axing all of your progress, they will do it, and they will lie to your face as they do it. They have proven that. I think this is just stage one, mark my words. They will use vets to hype Legion, then they will nerf your characters so that new players are more favoured, and after all the arguments you all have been making against us "haters", you will have no choice but to whine and cry and be hypocrites, or shut your mouth and take another load of their bullcrap excuses. How can you believe they won't do it to you? They did it to us, and there are more of us than you.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 126	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:23:00 - [76] - Quote GÇ£...where there was nature and earth, life and water, I saw a desert landscape that was unending, resembling some sort of crater, so devoid of reason and light and spirit that the mind could not grasp it on any sort of conscious level and if you came close the mind would reel backward, unable to take it in. It was a vision so clear and real and vital to me that in its purity it was almost abstract. This was what I could understand, this was how I lived my life, what I constructed my movement around, how I dealt with the tangible. This was the geography around which my reality revolved: it did not occur to me, ever, that people were good or that a man was capable of change or that the world could be a better place through one's taking pleasure in a feeling or a look or a gesture, of receiving another person's love or kindness. Nothing was affirmative, the term "generosity of spirit" applied to nothing, was a cliche, was some kind of bad joke. Sex is mathematics. Individuality no longer an issue. What does intelligence signify? Define reason. Desire - meaningless. Intellect is not a cure. Justice is dead. Fear, recrimination, innocence, sympathy, guilt, waste, failure, grief, were things, emotions, that no one really felt anymore. Reflection is useless, the world is senseless. Evil is its only permanence. God is not alive. Love cannot be trusted. Surface, surface, surface was all that anyone found meaning in... this was civilization as I saw it, colossal and jagged...GÇ¥ GÇò Bret Easton Ellis, American Psycho Blood flows. Death comes. War rages My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4311	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:25:00 - [77] - Quote Some people have the capability in understanding others, looking at the better side instead of choosing to allow a video game to disrupt their peace. We are all human. EVE has had its ups and downs as well. So I remember those things they experienced so that when this happened, its not all too shocking. CCP isn't the only ones who "lied" here either. It seems the majority of the community lied too. In an odd way, I have never seen so many mercs express their love of this game since they announced the keynote. These are mostly made of the same mercs who said this game was dying and calling it a pos And to be truthful, if they showcased 1.9, people would still find something negative to talk about. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4311	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:28:00 - [78] - Quote Harold Junk wrote: Great, some quote from... some dude? I assume an EVE player who's never played this game. Or you could be quoting yourself for props? Whatever. Hey, they sold this game as an MMO, and since they were a developer of a long-running, successful MMO, we expected we had some right to our accounts and our progress, so long as it didn't lose massive amounts of money, and that there would be advance notice so that people wouldn't invest further into something that was being killed off. Sure, lots of garbage MMO's will be cancelled by devs with no compensation to the players, but then these same devs make another game and you tell us it will be different this time so everybody climb aboard? And we're being unreasonable? Marvelous. That is the bare minimum I expected: advance notice that development would stop, so we would know that further progression would be pointless because the game would die soon after. I don't think that's an unreasonable to expect that from them while they are trying to sell me ANOTHER IDENTICAL MMO, but they decided to milk us for most of a year instead. Man I find it just shocking that these actions don't give the players here more pause. I really hope you don't have much attachment to your characters, because if CCP decides that they will sell to more people by axing all of your progress, they will do it, and they will lie to your face as they do it. They have proven that. I think this is just stage one, mark my words. They will use vets to hype Legion, then they will nerf your characters so that new players are more favoured, and after all the arguments you all have been making against us "haters", you will have no choice but to whine and cry and be hypocrites, or shut your mouth and take another load of their bullcrap excuses. How can you believe they won't do it to you? They did it to us, and there are more of us than you. So posted a quote expecting me to read yours but you haven't even read the OP? He states he's been involved with Dust since beta. Hey, I like his post better than Maken Tosch trying to cause riots on EVE forums because he mad about what has transpired. I respect mature, constructive opinions. Whether it agrees with my points or not. And again, for the umpteenth time, he says something that goes for both sides of the argument. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 456	Posted - 2014.05.06 03:46:00 - [79] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Some people have the capability in understanding others, looking at the better side instead of choosing to allow a video game to disrupt their peace. We are all human. EVE has had its ups and downs as well. So I remember those things they experienced so that when this happened, its not all too shocking. CCP isn't the only ones who "lied" here either. It seems the majority of the community lied too. In an odd way, I have never seen so many mercs express their love of this game since they announced the keynote. These are mostly made of the same mercs who said this game was dying and calling it a pos And to be truthful, if they showcased 1.9, people would still find something negative to talk about. This so, so much. I don't understand why people are bullshitting fake feelings of betrayal. In all honesty, a lot of people didn't have real faith in CCP. Again, they weren't really trying to help CCP, but instead, trying to help themselves. People with true faith would accept this change as a change for the better of the game. Again, this doesn't go for everyone. The loyal ones without a PC will now be left on this dyeing game, looking at the Elysium that will be Legion. I feel for those people that will not be able to experience the entirety of Dusts potential. I very much wish there was a way to meet at the middle, but there is no way to. QQ? Boo Hoo [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Harold Junk SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS 30	Posted - 2014.05.06 04:45:00 - [80] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So you posted a quote expecting me to read yours, but you haven't even read the OP? He states he's been involved with Dust since beta. Hey, I like his post better than Maken Tosch trying to cause riots on EVE forums because he mad about what has transpired. I respect mature, constructive opinions. Whether it agrees with my points or not. And again, for the umpteenth time, he says something that goes for both sides of the argument. Well ** sorry, didn't see a link. Did my browser ** up? I'm not familiar with all personalities involved with Dust, does that make me a bad person? But please, why beat around the bush? If you are a part of this discussion, tell me what you think. Do you think they are lying to players about keeping their characters now? If that was the plan, they certainly would have to. What if they want to slow down progression in the game somewhat, won't that require them to lower the skill levels of players who are maxed out to accommodate new players? Help me out here, if it's all just business to CCP, what should be my expectations from them if I do play Legion? You yourself just told us that you agree that we should expect absolutely nothing from them. I guess you really want to play Legion just you and the handful of people that happen to agree with you.



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