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bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 774	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:06:00 - [1] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lord Vyper wrote: So while I completely respect your post. Dust players are not forced to spend money at all. You guys chose to do that. You have access to all the same content but just didnt want to wait for it. I say this as an early Beta Dust player to now. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears. Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without. If you are purchasing with any other frame of mind you are deluding yourself. If EVE 2 ever came out I would fully expect to start with nothing. I would have to decide if it was worth it to me. What new features are coming? Do I own the platform? Is it worth buying it I don't. CCP is a game Developer not your parents. Their business staying afloat is always going to be a priority over gamers feelings. Enjoy Dust for what it is now or don't play it.All of you guys have put time and effort into a game that was a shell of what it was promised to be. Do you consider that wasted? If so why did you continue to play instead of waiting for the game to evolve into what you wanted it to be. The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it. Unless you prepaid for features that were never developed you are just along for the ride like the rest of us in Eve's Universe. The sandbox just got shook. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris? Keep playing Dust and give feedback on shaping the next game or rage about it and quit. Its your time and money use it better than this. I understand the OP's point, but I believe he is missing the point of why people are mad. For me, I just felt misled. I bought into the "10 year plan" and into them being, "laser focused" making Dust better for the PS3. It is not a question of if I can afford Aurum or a new gaming rig. The question is, why continue to mislead your player/fan base for all these months? Dust players are not forced to spend money at all.- agreed. But, most purchases were made with the assumption that items purchased, mostly boosters for me for the upcoming future, i.e., next 10 years. Eve players have been going thru this for a decade so the cries for help tend to fall on tone deaf ears- this is not Eve Any money spent on a free to play game should be considered disposable income. Something you could live without- agreed but at the same time. When said purchased were made, it was for the future of Dust514. There was no indication(noticeable anyhow) that the game would be taking the course it is on now CCP is a game Developer not your parents- true, what happened to, "CCP's mission is to attract and retain customers by providing top quality online entertainment. CCP does this by establishing and nurturing a trust relationship with customers both in terms of quality of content as well as quality of service." ?Straight from their website The drop in a bucket amount of revenue that players put into Dust is nothing compared to what actual shareholders and investors put into it. -without that "drop in the bucket" would Dust even be where it is now? Was there Kickstarters for Dust? As a "customer", I consider myself to be an "investor". Especially with what was promised time and time again CCP will always look out for that group of people first because it allows them to eat and have homes.- I disagree. People like myself are what keeps food on the table and a house over their heads. Investors are just that, investors. They support companies like CCP KNOWING that it could fail. Fail how you might ask? By not having a player base or supporters to do those micro transactions. Dust is just a game. You had fun playing it- agreed, it is just a game. A game with broken promises and misleading untruths. Are you gonna dust yourself off and put on your bigboy pants or pull the plug on your clones and fade into debris?- I'm still playing, but CCP can answer the question better than anyone else. What have the numbers been like since the announcement? I don't expect a truth, but it would be nice to know. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 774	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:08:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: We bought the Aurum/Packs under the impression that we will be playing this game for longer than two years. Had I known that my boosters were pointless I would have never bought a single aurum pack. You bought AUR packs for entertainment purposes only. Nowhere is it listed or stated that buying AUR packs guarantees that Dust will continue to be develop. That is something that you thought and you were wrong in that. And c'mon, you bought an AUR pack to boost skillpoint gain. Nothing more and nothing less So buying 4 years worth of Merc packs before they were taken off the market and buying over 300 Omega packs is my fault? Seeing as they were bought with the message that they were "laser focused" on making Dust514 a better game on the PS3? That is my fault? Really man? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 776	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:09:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 776	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:14:00 - [4] - Quote And to add. The boosters were bought to progress a character I was sure would be around for the long-term future. Like I have heard CCP say before, " no skill is wasted. As in, you misclicked into a skill you didn't need at the time. I used the boosters but for one reason only. To make my Merc the best he could be in the future. I know everything that goes on in Dust now was just a fraction of what was to come. I was playing the long game. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 777	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:24:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The conditions under which many people spent money were either misrepresented, or changed without our knowledge. If you are paying for something you think will be around for years to come on a console, and you find out otherwise AFTER already having spent the money, you would be rightfully upset. People are not getting what they thought they were paying for (a game with a commitment to a playstation console). Stop trying to defend people who argue there is no reason to be angry. There are legitimate reasons for people to be upset. So you buy a donut expecting the company to stay there for 5 years and if they go out of business in a week, you're entitled to get your money back because you bought the donut not to consume but to keep the business going? The items you bought by AUR were consumed. You got what you paid for. It didn't say in the PSN, "buying this will guarantee that Dust will continue its 10 year plan". That's an incorrect assumption on your part. not an assumption when the company tells you that they are going to be around with said game. Are you new here? Are you new at life? Do you pay the bills at your house or mom and dad does? Because I don't know about you, but I got what I paid for. I paid 20 bucks for 23K AUR. I got that. Do I want a refund? No. I have used it and currently still use my AUR. I didn't buy for a guarantee that the game would continue development. Hell, you weren't even sitting down in a room with CCP to have that discussion ("Look, I'm only buying this because I want this game to keep thriving"). You bought AUR to boost skill and to have access to items. Now that the show seems to be over, you're looking at things that will allow to you to take pot shots. It's wrong. It's the same thing as relationships. People break up and then all of sudden they want all their gifts back. That's just wrong. It's the same thing happening here. You paid real world money to buy entertainment. Entertainment that you have received. In today's age and the apparent intelligence of some people, just how in the hell you thought buying AUR secured the life expectancy of your game? Especially on last gen's console in 2014 which is the year that rise of next gen's library is imminent? LOL....doesn't matter when I live. but if you want to go there. I typically have people like you mow my yard and wash my vehicles. If you are happy with what you paid for, that is on you. As a consumer, I am not getting what I paid for in the future, according the the plan they are laying out. Specifically the FF 2014 announcement. I'm not taking pot shots. I am only stating the facts. Not sure why you think they are pot shots, but I should not be suprised. I've not received the full entertainment value of what I have spent. AGAIN, since you seem to be missing that point. Monies was spent for the long haul of the game. Not for a year or two. How and why is that point hard to understand? I didn't have to be in a room for them to make a promise of a game that was going to be around 10 years from now. You are either trolling or the most incompetent person I have ever seen on this forum. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 777	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:26:00 - [6] - Quote Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:31:00 - [7] - Quote And to be honest, I understand why they are moving all their energy to the PC. That is what they have done in the past and feel more comfortable with it. My question to them would be, did you not know the console was a different animal when you took the project on? I am all for the move to the PC. Will I play it, doubt it. Why? Because to get me to play I would have one request and only one. That all my Aurum purchased be put on my Legion account. Even Aurum that has already been used in boosters. AGAIN, I know some don't understand this but boosters were bought and used on the idea that the game was going to be around for a long, long time. I know it is hard to understand how and why a person would do this, but it is true. I had faith in CCP doing what they said they would do. Be laser focused on bringing Dust 514 to the PS3. I bought into it. End of story "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:32:00 - [8] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:34:00 - [9] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 779	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:36:00 - [10] - Quote And I've not asked for a refund that I can remember. I've said in other threads that I don't even need my SP or ISK to move forward. That I would only request that I have my Aurum put into the new game upon release of a version to the PS4. Without that, I'll just chalk it up as a loss and move on. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:42:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:44:00 - [12] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I'm only doing what I have done since I arrived on these forums, speaking the truth and common sense. Thank you for doing so, the sheer volume of BS being peddled by the butt hurt is just amazing, this subject stands out at the front of the load they are spewing, dust wasn't funded by some crowd sourcing initiative and I doubt its even made a profit from all these "donations" that ppl have handed out, I'm sure someone could estimate the costs involved in dusts staff, assets and bills, our aur purchases probably don't even put a dent in it. I couldn't agree more. But every little bit helps, correct? What if there were no Aurum purchases on Dust side. I wonder if the game would be where it is now? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:45:00 - [13] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? the difference is Defiance is still currently and continuing to plan on releasing content for defiance, how is that working out for dust now? Defiance = satisfied purchase and looking forward to opening up to a larger player count BioClone Ax-45 wrote: ...You get it right? Dust is currently done. You know that. Did you really need someone to tell you? Of course you didn't. You are giving yourself alley-oops for the forum in an attempt to troll. LOL....I'll give you a +1 because it seems you are desperate for them. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:48:00 - [14] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: LUGMOS wrote: One Eyed King wrote: People spent time and money on a game CCP had said was committed to the PS3. They got a game that, just months after release, was secretly moving to the PC and weren't told about the facts for months. Those two things are contradictory. They are not the same. No amount of wordsmithing can make them the same. CCP made a commitment. People spent money based on that commitment. CCP reneged on that comittment. End of story. You're acting like your money means that you were paying CCP to make the game. In reality, all you wanted was the self gain. If you were really comitted to the health of Dust, you would keep helping it, and not necessarily for anything in return. People who spent money were helping CCP develop the game. Or atleast we thought they were. When you spend money with any business you tend to think that they have a plan to spend a percentage of that money on their products, correct? You do think like that do you not? Yeah, except that this product was bein built with bad materials, and for the better of the company, it had to get new equipment and move to a new location, so now, not everyone has access to it. In the end, the money spent was for the good of the game, was it not? The move to PC will be for the good of the game, will it not? I don't understand people. A few months back, a lot of people wanted PS4 support, and through the move to PC, this will happen. WTF is it that you want? Your money back? A new product? Here's the big question: Do you really want Dust to be on the PS3 during the course of its 10 year plan that you keep referencing? I've never said I wanted the game to be on the PS3 forever. Not once in this post or any for that matter. A move to the PS4 seemed like the logical choice to me. Being blind-sided with a move to PC and not even sure a move to Ps4 will come according to the Dev posts was not in the plans for me. I don't want money back. Read my posts. I can even accept a complete and total loss. Don't need SP or ISK to move forward either. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:50:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Michael Arck wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Also, buying Aur in my mind was not securing the future of the game, but I was pretty sure the money was spent wisely on Dust514. You know, it's like buying your gas at the same store time and time again. You give them your business so that they have an income to try an stay afloat. Does that even register in what little brain you have? You know you keep throwing your little shots at me. But I know its because you lack any rebuttal that is significant enough to quiet me. Here's what my "little brain" has registered. You're comparing a game to a necessity. I brought up donut because its a sweet, something that you don't necessarily have to have, like entertainment. The gas store analogy is poor because everybody needs gas. You don't come around, they got thousands of other folks who will supply them with business. So your analogy doesn't work correctly. Yet and still, you fail to understand that if it isn't in writing then what you are doing is based on "good faith". Which means, it is not guaranteed that the results you get is what you desired but still you must understand the post effects if you do act on "good faith". Please, lets keep this discussion clean instead of trying to attack characters here. Forum wars means nothing and its stupid. Think about your response and respond to me. I have no problem with constructive arguments that have merits. I believe you started the "little shots". I said exactly what I was thinking and you asked if lived life and did my mom and dad pay my bills? Let me guess, that is not taking a shot? No, gas is not a necessity. Don't believe me? Ask someone who doesn't have a car. My analogy is spot on. It's not about WHAT they are providing, it is that they ARE providing. My responses are pretty much cookie cutter at this point. It is the same thing in every thread. My opinion has not changed nor has what it would take for me to play Legion. C'mon bigole, the "are you new here" is silly. And I was being serious when I asked if mommy and daddy paid your bills because I don't know how an adult, in this situation, does not understand that buying AUR was for entertainment purposes only. I'm not here to change your opinion. That wasn't the point of thread. The quote speaks to both supporters and non supporters. I underlined what I felt is important but the entire quote is worth considering for both sides. I was entertained, no doubt. I spent money that I could still be entertained with years down the road. How can an adult not understand that? I've not even said I was unhappy with the direction of the game. You have to be trolling at this point to not understand. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [16] - Quote LOL...I very well may do that. They obviously need the money way worse than I do. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 790	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:58:00 - [17] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: bigolenuts wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: Hey! I bough Defiance and now its going to F2P... I wanna a refund! ...You get it right? Did you buy Defiance with the promise that it would be around for 10 years? Were you told by the developers that they were laser focused on bringing Defiance to the PS3 as a full game? you understand? Was all of that on the PSN Item description when you bought it? Nope , same way nobody told me Defiance or Old republic would be "free" on the future... Deal with it. doubt any of it was in the PSN description. But according to DEv posts here, the game would be around and they were laser focused. Trolling? LOL, yeah that is what I am doing. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 792	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:02:00 - [18] - Quote I'll have to agree with the above poster. Had they told us months ago that they were focusing on a new game for the PC and backing off of the future of Dust, I would have halted any new purchases. Pretty sure they know this, so why come forward with that information. I was angry when McDonalds cancelled the McRib years ago. Now it just makes cameos from time to time on the menu. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 792	Posted - 2014.05.06 02:05:00 - [19] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The problem with the whole thing is that we FEEL lied to and disrespected. I don't think -that most players- want a refund or anything like that but we do want some feeling of respect and CCP didn't give us that. They seemingly lied to us about PS3 development and the future of the game by continuously selling us in game items and assuring us that they were focused on this game on this platform for the foreseeable future when in fact they had already moved resources to anther game and platform. They implied that there would be progress and we inferred that it would be here and tried to stick it out through all the problems the game has only to slapped in the face with the fanfest announcement. To me it isn't about the money it is about how they treated me as a customer and a fan of their products. They have damaged their name by not being honest, straightforward or open about what they wanted to do. Some honesty would have went a long way but they decided not to do that, they decided -in the players eyes- to do what they wanted without any regard to their customers. Don't waste your time anymore man. The answer/response here will be pretty much you should have known better and you don't deserve anything. You are nothing but a customer. Not deserving of any respect and CCP doesn't owe you any truths. I hope one day this happens to Eve side people or worse. I'll come back to read the whining LOL "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"