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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:19:00 -
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Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
7133
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:20:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2732
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:21:00 -
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Its a PC, of course you'll be able to use a controller, in fact you'll be able to use a wide variety of controllers.
XBOX, DS3, DS4, third party controllers... all sorts of gamepads will be supported. You'll have completely remapable keys as well I bet.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
7377
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:21:00 -
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"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1560
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:25:00 -
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My little brother and I got bored and did a split control where he used the right side of the six-axis controller and I used my left hand on the keyboard (we didn't have a wireless mouse available). We ran a few doms and only used MLT starter fits.
We ended up with a positive KD (best was 2 with about 6 kills iirc) and consistently did better than half our team.
CCP, please buff blueberries.
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inohahna mamotto
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:25:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game.
Did anyone say that you ******* roach? |
Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
5021
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:26:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
Wow thanks for the quick response!!! :D
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1413
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:26:00 -
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I have a feeling that they won't restrict kbm on PC like they do on PS3.
It only makes sense they do it on consoles or else kbm has the advantage.
They will probably set it up so controllers can still be used on PC, but on PC FPS games, controllers are always a significant disadvantage.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
5021
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:28:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I have a feeling that they won't restrict kbm on PC like they do on PS3.
It only makes sense they do it on consoles or else kbm has the advantage.
They will probably set it up so controllers can still be used on PC, but on PC FPS games, controllers are always a significant disadvantage.
Meh....just keep the same controls as now and I'll be happy
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3254
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:30:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
Free kills!.
Well that was fun
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Vitharr Foebane
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
1188
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:32:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I have a feeling that they won't restrict kbm on PC like they do on PS3.
It only makes sense they do it on consoles or else kbm has the advantage.
They will probably set it up so controllers can still be used on PC, but on PC FPS games, controllers are always a significant disadvantage. Meh....just keep the same controls as now and I'll be happy
IF I make the switch and their is controller support I will do like I do now controller for the spray and prey weapons(HMG), and mouse for the precision weapons(FG)
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
160
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:41:00 -
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With gamepad support on Legion, they better up the sensitivity to a CoD level rather then the molasses of a max sensitivity we have on dust.
.....ill just put this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkdCriaRptM
We need something to keep up with M/KB. Coming from a DS3 warrior.
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Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
36
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:42:00 -
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If I were you I'd give KB/M more of a chance. Trying it for a few minutes really isn't going to tell you anything. You need to play it for a while, adjust the sensitivity, and then play it for a while longer. The aiming is far superior with a mouse than a joystick, even with how finicky KB/M is on Dust.
The only thing I haven't quite figured out on the KB/M is how to issue squad orders, but that's mostly due to my laziness.
The biggest downside in using KB/M is turning a turret. With a joystick you can hold it down and it will keep turning. With a mouse you have to pick up, drag, pick up drag... I tend to use my Sixaxis to make long turns and the mouse to aim for that reason. With infantry there's no issue. |
Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
387
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:44:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Its a PC, of course you'll be able to use a controller, in fact you'll be able to use a wide variety of controllers.
XBOX, DS3, DS4, third party controllers... all sorts of gamepads will be supported. You'll have completely remapable keys as well I bet.
The driver support, however, is an entirely different matter. Not to mention the issue of controller mapping not being custom made.
I can't imagine CCP crunching out dedicated control schemes for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3 and PS4 controllers. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2915
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:47:00 -
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Practice with a KBM some more, once you are used to it youll see its far superior to a controller for a shooter and honestly if you take a controller into a PC shooter youll most likely get wrecked since mechanically its just better |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3255
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:47:00 -
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Lol, if it has controller support. That's your choice although it could end up pure sht.
Well that was fun
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Jak'Saan
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
190
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:49:00 -
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Hey CC-Lame maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3255
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:52:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Hey CC-Lame maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them.
Tldr? Lol. 
Well that was fun
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
280
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:57:00 -
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Just hope we can set which key does what. |
Hin Raven
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:58:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
Any chance you can you can release a eve universe pc in association with alienware with plenty of green coloured packaging so i can be reassured that all i am doing is buying a more powerful xbox one. Also can you confirm project legion is go. |
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3256
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:58:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Just hope we can set which key does what.
You can even if you are told you cant.
Well that was fun
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
160
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:03:00 -
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With a game pad you don't have to worry about carpal tunnel as much.
It just soooo much more relaxing for the wrist to rock a pad.
Because there WILL be 4hr+ gaming binges when legion is out. =P |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:04:00 -
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Just want to post here to give more support to controller support for Legion. If I go to Legion, I plan on using a controller. I don't care if I'm at a disadvantage. If it's really bad I'll just stick to PvE.
For me personally, this is important because of how I play games. It's not that I'm not good with KBM, but I like to play while relaxing on the couch. I don't want to sit at a desk or have some kind of table/thing on my lap, it just ruins gaming for me (at least for an FPS is does). |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3256
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:07:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Just want to post here to give more support to controller support for Legion. If I go to Legion, I plan on using a controller. I don't care if I'm at a disadvantage. If it's really bad I'll just stick to PvE.
For me personally, this is important because of how I play games. It's not that I'm not good with KBM, but I like to play while relaxing on the couch. I don't want to sit at a desk or have some kind of table/thing on my lap, it just ruins gaming for me (at least for an FPS is does).
Wireless k/b and mouse.
Well that was fun
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pseudosnipre
Fatal Absolution
715
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:10:00 -
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@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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Beld Errmon
1646
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:14:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game.
damn you you beat me to it.
Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Just want to post here to give more support to controller support for Legion. If I go to Legion, I plan on using a controller. I don't care if I'm at a disadvantage. If it's really bad I'll just stick to PvE.
For me personally, this is important because of how I play games. It's not that I'm not good with KBM, but I like to play while relaxing on the couch. I don't want to sit at a desk or have some kind of table/thing on my lap, it just ruins gaming for me (at least for an FPS is does). Wireless k/b and mouse.
I know, what I mean is I literally find it uncomfortable to use KBM. Plus, even with a wireless set (which I have), I'd still need some kind of surface to place it on, like an end table or something on my lap. In that case, it's no different than sitting at a desk to me. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:15:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy.
I won't play if it isn't.
Well that was fun
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
160
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:17:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy. I won't play if it isn't.
Could always re-map your keyboard via 3rd party. Lol, although its a pain in the ass with the reboots involved.
I once re-mapped my roommates keyboard so that every button hot linked to gay prons |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:18:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Just want to post here to give more support to controller support for Legion. If I go to Legion, I plan on using a controller. I don't care if I'm at a disadvantage. If it's really bad I'll just stick to PvE.
For me personally, this is important because of how I play games. It's not that I'm not good with KBM, but I like to play while relaxing on the couch. I don't want to sit at a desk or have some kind of table/thing on my lap, it just ruins gaming for me (at least for an FPS is does). Wireless k/b and mouse. I know, what I mean is I literally find it uncomfortable to use KBM. Plus, even with a wireless set (which I have), I'd still need some kind of surface to place it on, like an end table or something on my lap. In that case, it's no different than sitting at a desk to me.
I just sit on the couch with k/b on my lap and mouse on a thick mat next to my leg, I use a wireless laser mouse as well. I guess because I'm so used to it that I'm fine with it.
Well that was fun
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
5021
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:19:00 -
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Cyrus Militani wrote:If I were you I'd give KB/M more of a chance. Trying it for a few minutes really isn't going to tell you anything. You need to play it for a while, adjust the sensitivity, and then play it for a while longer. The aiming is far superior with a mouse than a joystick, even with how finicky KB/M is on Dust.
The only thing I haven't quite figured out on the KB/M is how to issue squad orders, but that's mostly due to my laziness.
The biggest downside in using KB/M is turning a turret. With a joystick you can hold it down and it will keep turning. With a mouse you have to pick up, drag, pick up drag... I tend to use my Sixaxis to make long turns and the mouse to aim for that reason. With infantry there's no issue.
I'm fine with the sensitivity and all that...I just simply prefer the controller....there's to many buttons on a keyboard for my simple mind to comprehend
That and I have a gold ps3 controller....my prized possession.....sort of...not really....but it's still awesome to use
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3258
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:19:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy. I won't play if it isn't. Could always re-map your keyboard via 3rd party. Lol, although its a pain in the ass with the reboots involved. I once re-mapped my roommates keyboard so that every button hot linked to gay prons
You evil **** hahahahaha.
Well that was fun
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Jak'Saan
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
190
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:19:00 -
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Hey Lame-CP maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
742
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:21:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy. I won't play if it isn't.
If they gimp the KBM in Legion even a little bit, I will laugh, biomass, and never play a CCP game again.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Beld Errmon
1646
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:21:00 -
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inohahna mamotto wrote:Patrick57 wrote:"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game. Did anyone say that you ******* roach?
wow you fail at getting the point, I've done some research on Blattodea species and I reckon many of them are a fair bit smarter than you, pretty much all of them have more use on this planet than you, perhaps you should pick a species you are actually superior too.
Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
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Dalmont Legrand
400
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:22:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
you download drive you plug dualshock you play you see trees in New Eden like mine...
pity couldn't make it in fire 
Tree in New Eden...
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
163
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:23:00 -
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McFurious wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy. I won't play if it isn't. If they gimp the KBM in Legion even a little bit, I will laugh, biomass, and never play a CCP game again.
Yea that would be a little pathetic. Sensitivity speed on Legion demo was very slow so we really don't have an answer.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
927
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:25:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
Don't be surprised when you won't have aim assist. Controllers will be a secondary control method, so it more then likely won't have an aim assist, or if it does it will be negligible. They also won't put any restrictions on the kb/m so it will fly free as a bird.
Controllers will not be a competitive method of input, but if you play casually there probably won't be an issue for you. |
WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
163
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:28:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. Don't be surprised when you won't have aim assist. Controllers will be a secondary control method, so it more then likely won't have an aim assist, or if it does it will be negligible. They also won't put any restrictions on the kb/m so it will fly free as a bird. Controllers will not be a competitive method of input, but if you play casually there probably won't be an issue for you.
I've been running with auto aim turned off already, I'll still back that controllers will be competitive still in Legion.
DS3 WARRIORS UNITE! |
Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:29:00 -
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Jak'Saan wrote:Hey Lame-CP maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them.
This is a PC game now, take your peasant box input elsewhere. You had your fun in the sun always on headshot mode for the past few months.
That said, you can do this on PS4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUwAENrrAg
Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7918
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:29:00 -
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There's a tool I use called DS3 Tool.
It emulates both KB/M and Gamepad (such as a 360 Controller) input, and works rather well with emulators. Slap an HDMI cable onto the thing, and your reliving the past 20-30 years of your life all over again <3
Anyways, the download link can be found here.
inb4 The Lock!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7918
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:31:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game.
I don't believe the OP was one of those players saying that, but that is quite the double standard nevertheless.
inb4 The Lock!
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
163
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:31:00 -
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Phoenix 85 wrote:Jak'Saan wrote:Hey Lame-CP maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them. This is a PC game now, take your peasant box input elsewhere. You had your fun in the sun always on headshot mode for the past few months. That said, you can do this on PS4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUwAENrrAg
LMAO fugging hilarious, we need a video of someone pwning dust with the play station move. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
929
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:33:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Duran Lex wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. Don't be surprised when you won't have aim assist. Controllers will be a secondary control method, so it more then likely won't have an aim assist, or if it does it will be negligible. They also won't put any restrictions on the kb/m so it will fly free as a bird. Controllers will not be a competitive method of input, but if you play casually there probably won't be an issue for you. I've been running with auto aim turned off already, I'll still back that controllers will be competitive still in Legion. DS3 WARRIORS UNITE!
You are currently playing a game that has aim assist as well as kb/m restrictions to attempt at evening the playfield between two inputs that have large disparities in efficiency.
Play a game that's removes those shackles, and you'll be singing a new tune.
Edit - on a side note, there are aim assisting software that you are unable to turn off. So even when you turn it off in the options, you will always have some sort of aim assist helping you. This is true with almost every FPS game on a console. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3085
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:33:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
That would be cool! After 16 months of DUST I finally got good with the Controller. So how would that work? We plug the controller in using the USB cord and you include a driver to interpret the Controller signals as part of Legion?
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
163
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:35:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:WhataguyTTU wrote:Duran Lex wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. Don't be surprised when you won't have aim assist. Controllers will be a secondary control method, so it more then likely won't have an aim assist, or if it does it will be negligible. They also won't put any restrictions on the kb/m so it will fly free as a bird. Controllers will not be a competitive method of input, but if you play casually there probably won't be an issue for you. I've been running with auto aim turned off already, I'll still back that controllers will be competitive still in Legion. DS3 WARRIORS UNITE! You are currently playing a game that has aim assist as well as kb/m restrictions to attempt at evening the playfield between two inputs that have large disparities in efficiency. Play a game that's removes those shackles, and you'll be singing a new tune.
And I can't wait, they unlock the restrictions for KB/M so will controller.
I wish it was in a nearer future so we could "I told you so" to each other. =P |
Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:37:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. That would be cool! After 16 months of DUST I finally got good with the Controller. So how would that work? We plug the controller in using the USB cord and you include a driver to interpret the Controller signals as part of Legion?
Thats cute. Youre taking your first steps into a larger world.
Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
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The Jungian
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Just hope we can set which key does what. You can even if you are told you cant.
Exactly. Mouses and Keyboards these days lets you customize any button. In my Windows 7 at least.
Hitler decides to cancel DUST 514 on PS3
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
2156
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:48:00 -
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I'm all for having controllers in Legion. I'm almost 100% M/KB, but I have never flown a Jet in BF4 on my PC as well as I have with a XBox 360 controller. That said, I really really hope they don't implement any form of aim assist in Legion.
I for one cannot wait to finally be able to bind "1, 2, 3, 4..." to my weapons/equipment. That damn weapon/module selection wheel is one of my biggest peeves of M / KB in this game, not including the issues with mouse aiming.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3262
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:51:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I'm all for having controllers in Legion. I'm almost 100% M/KB, but I have never flown a Jet in BF4 on my PC as well as I have with a XBox 360 controller. That said, I really really hope they don't implement any form of aim assist in Legion.
I for one cannot wait to finally be able to bind "1, 2, 3, 4..." to my weapons/equipment. That damn weapon/module selection wheel is one of my biggest peeves of M / KB in this game, not including the issues with mouse aiming.
No raw input and/or aim assist would ruin the game from the get go.
Well that was fun
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
554
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:54:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
Appreciate this, some people like to use a gamepad instead of kb/m and that should always be supported! I love to use KB/M but the next guy might not, so it should be a non-issue for all.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:54:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:I'm all for having controllers in Legion. I'm almost 100% M/KB, but I have never flown a Jet in BF4 on my PC as well as I have with a XBox 360 controller. That said, I really really hope they don't implement any form of aim assist in Legion.
I for one cannot wait to finally be able to bind "1, 2, 3, 4..." to my weapons/equipment. That damn weapon/module selection wheel is one of my biggest peeves of M / KB in this game, not including the issues with mouse aiming. No raw input and/or aim assist would ruin the game from the get go.
And unmodified restrictions to sensitivity.
I dunno if they still plan on going that route.... DUHHHH, heavy cant turn good DERR, I just blubbering buffoon. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
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inohahna mamotto wrote:Patrick57 wrote:"But, it's a PC game, so there should be no place for controllers!"
-Logic of Dust players who think having mouse and keyboard controls for Dust ruins the whole game. Did anyone say that you ******* roach?
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
933
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:55:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:
And I can't wait, they unlock the restrictions for KB/M so will controller.
I wish it was in a nearer future so we could "I told you so" to each other. =P
You don't quite understand.
There are no restrictions on the DS3 currently. Only additions to make aiming more fluid. There are restrictions on the KB/M to prevent it from overcoming the limitations that the DS3 has.
On Legion, the KB/M restrictions will be completely removed and more then likely the additions the DS3 have will also be completely removed. If not removed, the aim assist will be tapered back to a fraction of what it currently is in dust. This is the case with almost all PC games, because the controller is a secondary method of input.
CCP was one of the few, if not only, game company that tried to create two unbalanced inputs as a primary. This led to the KB/M being choked back to laughable levels compared to Unreal Tournament, and why DS3 has such a large impacting aim assist.
As you can tell from the history of CCP tinkering with it trying to find a balance between the two inputs, it failed horribly. I doubt they will try to do it again Legion. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3262
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:57:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:I'm all for having controllers in Legion. I'm almost 100% M/KB, but I have never flown a Jet in BF4 on my PC as well as I have with a XBox 360 controller. That said, I really really hope they don't implement any form of aim assist in Legion.
I for one cannot wait to finally be able to bind "1, 2, 3, 4..." to my weapons/equipment. That damn weapon/module selection wheel is one of my biggest peeves of M / KB in this game, not including the issues with mouse aiming. No raw input and/or aim assist would ruin the game from the get go. And unmodified restrictions to sensitivity. I dunno if they still plan on going that route.... DUHHHH, heavy cant turn good DERR, I just blubbering buffoon.
Yeah that sounds a bit too good lol.
Eve legion confirmed no k/b and mouse support, only Atari joysticks lol.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3262
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:58:00 -
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Funny how they are called JOY sticks despite being a miserably clumsy pos lol.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
165
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:58:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:WhataguyTTU wrote:
And I can't wait, they unlock the restrictions for KB/M so will controller.
I wish it was in a nearer future so we could "I told you so" to each other. =P
You don't quite understand. There are no restrictions on the DS3 currently. Only additions to make aiming more fluid. There are restrictions on the KB/M to prevent it from overcoming the limitations that the DS3 has. On Legion, the KB/M restrictions will be completely removed and more then likely the additions the DS3 have will also be completely removed. If not removed, the aim assist will be tapered back to a fraction of what it currently is in dust. This is the case with almost all PC games, because the controller is a secondary method of input. CCP was one of the few, if not only, game company that tried to create two unbalanced inputs as a primary. This led to the KB/M being choked back to laughable levels compared to Unreal Tournament, and why DS3 has such a large impacting aim assist. As you can tell from the history of CCP tinkering with it trying to find a balance between the two inputs, it failed horribly. I doubt they will try to do it again Legion.
Well since they are actually considering it now, I'd hope it was included.
Also, thanks for taking your time to elaborate. So so far away though :'( |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
388
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Sole Fenychs wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Its a PC, of course you'll be able to use a controller, in fact you'll be able to use a wide variety of controllers.
XBOX, DS3, DS4, third party controllers... all sorts of gamepads will be supported. You'll have completely remapable keys as well I bet. The driver support, however, is an entirely different matter. Not to mention the issue of controller mapping not being custom made. I can't imagine CCP crunching out dedicated control schemes for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS3 and PS4 controllers.
Have you ever heard of DS3 tool? I've set my Ds3 up to where I can emulate a kb/m for older games like Morrowind. Anyway pretty much anything is possible with that program.
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:17:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
This.
I have never played FPS before Dust because I don't like WASD controls. I tend to steer clear of PC games that are not turn based or point and click. Legion must have controller support on the PC for simpletons like me who can't grasp WASD. |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7923
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... This. I have never played FPS before Dust because I don't like WASD controls. I tend to steer clear of PC games that are not turn based or point and click. Legion must have controller support on the PC for simpletons like me who can't grasp WASD.
It doesn't need to have Gamepad support for you to use DS3 (or any Gamepad for that matter).
Just use this
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Alpha Response Command
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... you download drive you plug dualshock you play you see trees in New Eden like mine... pity couldn't make it in fire
Well I'm going to try and make the jump...but idk how long it will be until that happens
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Forlorn Destrier
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Atiim wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... This. I have never played FPS before Dust because I don't like WASD controls. I tend to steer clear of PC games that are not turn based or point and click. Legion must have controller support on the PC for simpletons like me who can't grasp WASD. It doesn't need to have Gamepad support for you to use DS3 (or any Gamepad for that matter). Just use this
Thanks for educating this old man. |
Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
105
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Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen. |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7924
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:36:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:
Thanks for educating this old man.
Don't worry about it.
But if you really want an education, look up these things called 'emulators'.
inb4 The Lock!
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3263
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:39:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... This. I have never played FPS before Dust because I don't like WASD controls. I tend to steer clear of PC games that are not turn based or point and click. Legion must have controller support on the PC for simpletons like me who can't grasp WASD.
QWERTY the fk out lol.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3263
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen.
Hahahahaha, you must have been terrible at both. Scrub or trolling 9/10 either way lol.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3263
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:45:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen.
In fact its basically a crime for you to generalise so that leads me to believe that whole post is one troll, 10/10.
Well that was fun
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
106
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:51:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen. In fact its basically a crime for you to generalise so that leads me to believe that whole post is one troll, 10/10.
Both trolling and my honest opinion.
But, of course, I have to be terrible to suggest something other than glorious 1:1 mouse controls for weaksauce mouse users. It can't be that I just want a game that rewards a bit of forethought and puts a bit of weight to moving a gun around instead of the entirely skill-devoid action of pointing a mouse and clicking.
I'll admit when I said I can use both I wasn't talking about Dust though. I don't even own a USB kb/m set. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3263
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:56:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen. In fact its basically a crime for you to generalise so that leads me to believe that whole post is one troll, 10/10. Both trolling and my honest opinion. But, of course, I have to be terrible to suggest something other than glorious 1:1 mouse controls for weaksauce mouse users. It can't be that I just want a game that rewards a bit of forethought and puts a bit of weight to moving a gun around instead of the entirely skill-devoid action of pointing a mouse and clicking. I'll admit when I said I can use both I wasn't talking about Dust though. I don't even own a USB kb/m set.
Fair play.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:36:00 -
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Lol whaaaa? I thought goons would be all over MKB. =S |
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Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:52:00 -
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I'm in the minority that wish they were better with a kb/m to actually use it effectively in fps
One dimensional gaming is boring
Controller is ez modez
Welcome to.........the internet
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Raymondo316
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:57:00 -
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Good luck trying to compete why using a controller....you will get absolutely slaughtered
K&M is the only way to go for FPS on PC |
Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:44:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Lol whaaaa? I thought goons would be all over MKB. =S
well, we're not all the same person
i have no real care if the input is KB/M or controller or whatever. I guess I kind of prefer controller maybe.
I don't want to see typical KB/M controls though, because they're too easy. Everybody who wants good KB/M wants that edge of 1:1 mouse controls because once you're down to 'point and click' you don't have to use your brain much anymore. This kind of applies to high sensitivity controllers too but swinging around wildly on a controller does require skill. (still a really dumb mechanic though) I'm also against instant button push = action. Not for say, firing a weapon, but weapon switching, changing your movement and jumping should take a bit of wind-up (and Dust gets some of this right and some wrong like every other FPS).
So it seems I slant heavily toward controllers because console FPS are more likely to have that sort of control scheme, but there's no reason KB/M can't feel the same way, it's just ingrained into PC FPS mentality that that point and click nonsense is how it should be.
They need their crutch, I guess |
McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen.
We're genetically specialized clones in power suits. So our guns are like feathers in our hands.
I always thought it'd be cool if FPS's had "knockdown" mechanics. Like a grenade or a bomb goes off near you and you get knocked down or blasted in the air and you have to get back up.
Probably never going to happen. 
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
135
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:12:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. Wow thanks for the quick response!!! :D
That was because you weren't telling CCP to go **** themselves like me and several others would. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
428
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:13:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. Wow thanks for the quick response!!! :D That was because you weren't telling CCP to go **** themselves like me and several others would.
lesson learned?
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
935
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:21:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jotun Izalaru wrote:Whatever they do for K/BM controls, they should absolutely not listen to PC gamers or emulate other shooters. (Counterstrike and Unreal are ******* awful). I can use both just fine, but games are way too soft with the K/BM.
I'd love to see turn speed related to character weight, or for full realism, tuned to the weapon. Pistoleers turn 1:1 and HMG users gotta swing that ***** to turn around at all.
But FPS players console or PC usually hate any kind of strategy or playstyles different from point and click so it'll never happen. In fact its basically a crime for you to generalise so that leads me to believe that whole post is one troll, 10/10.
In all honesty his posts just confuse me. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:22:00 -
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No it doesn't work. And yes it has been tried. Many times. Just try to use a turret with KB/M in Dust to see how utterly ridiculous that idea is.
What you need to realise is is that where you point your mouse is where you look. Limiting the speed at which you can look somewhere will always feel like **** and isn't realistic either. The only way to do what you want is to decouple look from aim, i.e. you point your mouse to look somewhere, then the weapon rotation slowly follows. I believe that also has been tried and discarded because it feels pretty crappy.
Ultimately, game feel is the most important aspect, much much more important than realism and even more important than strategy. If a game has no strategy at all but a good game feel, it's still going to be fun. If a game has tons of strategy but feels crappy, then nobody will enjoy it.
Game designers aren't idiots, and a ton of stuff is being tried that you never see because it simply doesn't hold up in playtesting. Players aren't idiots either, and just because they want their shooting mechanics to feel good, doesn't mean that they are opposed to strategy. Games like Quake deathmatch involve a ton of strategic decisions and Dust obviously isn't completely devoid of strategy either just because you can turn around instantly (and yes you can, there is a delay in the mouse input that makes everything feel sluggish, but overall turn speed does not seem to be capped at all at least for medium and light suits). |
Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:24:00 -
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And actually I'd be fine with optional aim assist. Maybe mark it on the scoreboards or something, but ultimately it's not going to faze a decent mouse player while it will allow newer or controller players to not be completely walked over. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
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ZDub 303 wrote:Its a PC, of course you'll be able to use a controller, in fact you'll be able to use a wide variety of controllers.
XBOX, DS3, DS4, third party controllers... all sorts of gamepads will be supported. You'll have completely remapable keys as well I bet.
This. If its got a USB, it can be used on a PC.
Oh and sniping with a KB/M is soooo much better than a controller. I keep a KB/M hooked up to the PS3 for those moments.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
935
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:43:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:And actually I'd be fine with optional aim assist. Maybe mark it on the scoreboards or something, but ultimately it's not going to faze a decent mouse player while it will allow newer or controller players to not be completely walked over.
The problem is that a gamepad is considered a casual controlling input for the precise reasons of needing an Aim assist to perform well. And rightfully so to be blunt. Competition means using ones own skill to become the victor. The game aiding you
In "increasing" the skill you might not have is not a desirable mechanic for most in said competitions.
On the PC where the KB&M is the primary input, it will always be considered competitive and therefore more important. Game companies will make a game ideal for their largest playerbase, and it's obvious what it is for the PC. |
Michael Arck
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Yea I need to practice more with it. In the heat of some 1 on 1 battles, lol, my merc goes haywire because I'm trying to do what I do with a controller but only with the WASD and mouse.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:01:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:And actually I'd be fine with optional aim assist. Maybe mark it on the scoreboards or something, but ultimately it's not going to faze a decent mouse player while it will allow newer or controller players to not be completely walked over. The problem is that a gamepad is considered a casual controlling input for the precise reasons of needing an Aim assist to perform well. And rightfully so to be blunt. Competition means using ones own skill to become the victor. The game aiding you In "increasing" the skill you might not have is not a desirable mechanic for most in said competitions. On the PC where the KB&M is the primary input, it will always be considered competitive and therefore more important. Game companies will make a game ideal for their largest playerbase, and it's obvious what it is for the PC.
Sure but not everyone sees the game as a competition, and I'm fine with that. A controller with aim assist will still not beat a mouse, so it's not like "training wheels" like that would ruin anything for us mouse users. |
Son Down
SamsClub
130
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:02:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:WhataguyTTU wrote:
And I can't wait, they unlock the restrictions for KB/M so will controller.
I wish it was in a nearer future so we could "I told you so" to each other. =P
You don't quite understand. There are no restrictions on the DS3 currently. Only additions to make aiming more fluid. There are restrictions on the KB/M to prevent it from overcoming the limitations that the DS3 has. On Legion, the KB/M restrictions will be completely removed and more then likely the additions the DS3 have will also be completely removed. If not removed, the aim assist will be tapered back to a fraction of what it currently is in dust. This is the case with almost all PC games, because the controller is a secondary method of input. CCP was one of the few, if not only, game company that tried to create two unbalanced inputs as a primary. This led to the KB/M being choked back to laughable levels compared to Unreal Tournament, and why DS3 has such a large impacting aim assist. As you can tell from the history of CCP tinkering with it trying to find a balance between the two inputs, it failed horribly. I doubt they will try to do it again Legion.
This.....especially the "failed horribly" bit. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1450
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:19:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:pseudosnipre wrote:@CCP Can you confirm raw kbm input? Please please.
Make Bethhy happy. I won't play if it isn't. Could always re-map your keyboard via 3rd party. Lol, although its a pain in the ass with the reboots involved. I once re-mapped my roommates keyboard so that every button hot linked to gay prons
^This man just won shenanigans.
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1450
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:24:00 -
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Phoenix 85 wrote:Jak'Saan wrote:Hey Lame-CP maybe this time you can add controller support to this douchey PC-only version and give the controller a douchey unfair advantage. This way console gamers can douche out on douchey pc gamers who have been claiming to be the douche-sac of douches because of how douchy you made KB/M for them. This is a PC game now, take your peasant box input elsewhere. You had your fun in the sun always on headshot mode for the past few months. That said, you can do this on PS4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUwAENrrAg
Why in the hell would I even want to? It makes no sense.
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1450
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:32:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... you download drive you plug dualshock you play you see trees in New Eden like mine... pity couldn't make it in fire Well I'm going to try and make the jump...but idk how long it will be until that happens
Good luck Fire. o7
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
113
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:48:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:No it doesn't work. And yes it has been tried. Many times. Just try to use a turret with KB/M in Dust to see how utterly ridiculous that idea is.
What you need to realise is is that where you point your mouse is where you look. Limiting the speed at which you can look somewhere will always feel like **** and isn't realistic either. The only way to do what you want is to decouple look from aim, i.e. you point your mouse to look somewhere, then the weapon rotation slowly follows. I believe that also has been tried and discarded because it feels pretty crappy.
Ultimately, game feel is the most important aspect, much much more important than realism and even more important than strategy. If a game has no strategy at all but a good game feel, it's still going to be fun. If a game has tons of strategy but feels crappy, then nobody will enjoy it.
Game designers aren't idiots, and a ton of stuff is being tried that you never see because it simply doesn't hold up in playtesting. Players aren't idiots either, and just because they want their shooting mechanics to feel good, doesn't mean that they are opposed to strategy. Games like Quake deathmatch involve a ton of strategic decisions and Dust obviously isn't completely devoid of strategy either just because you can turn around instantly (and yes you can, there is a delay in the mouse input that makes everything feel sluggish, but overall turn speed does not seem to be capped at all at least for medium and light suits).
Just because Dust botched it doesn't mean it can't be done. The feel of a controller in Dust is above average - emulating that feeling on a keyboard while maintaining the limitation is ideal.
No, game 'feel' is not the most important thing. Any time 1:1 mouse control is removed people will ***** about the 'feel' but that's not because the game is bad, they've just been spoiled by ease of use. The current formula for mouse controls is just as bad as all the other 'failed' attempts you say have happened, it just persists because it's easy and lets people turn off their brain. (console shooters are guilty of this too, see CoD with a controller) There is literally nothing easier than pointing at something and clicking. That's why computers use mice for everything.
Basically where you see 'good feel' i see 'too easy' and no game (definitely not Quake lol) has ever taken 'too easy' and made it a compelling experience in a mental way. |
Dalmont Legrand
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More blackjack and hookers in CCP's lunarpark.
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:15:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
dont forget a super magnet Aim assist on controller
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:20:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward. dont forget a super magnet Aim assist on controller
Don't listen to him. Please forget all about super magnet aim assist, CCP.
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:21:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
YES PLAESE CCP
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:31:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
That would be a great gesture. It would be nice for everyone to be on the same playing field and be using the same aiming mechanics though. I'm not the professional....but it opens the game to more players and play styles. I actually don't want it because I feel it would detract from the game's balance....like it does now on PS3 except with KBM users getting the short end of the stick mostly. But it would be great for folks used to consoles. I don't know.
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:56:00 -
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If i go into legion with a controller and I kill even one KBM user.... would I be god? |
Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:02:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:If i go into legion with a controller and I kill even one KBM user.... would I be god?
Sure :p
But what if I kill you with a controller? o_O controller-inception
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:05:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters....
Most bad people on the PC tend to to pay 20$ a month for an undetected aimbot or something like it, or at least pm me about where i got mine and tell me they are gonna get the same one....because hey ....they r too awesome to be beat...so we must be cheating...
Ofcourse, next game you encounter them, they headshot you from their ass and then proceed to kill your 2 buddies before you can say "Target's on the roof"....all in 3 shots, while jumping from a building and i was standing on a moving vehicle....while my buddies where hanging out the window....
Then PM me again saying; i wasnt playing to my full skill earlier....just messin around...about the Aimbot dudeee....
20 minutes later social lights up about how the guy is hacking :p...
At some point in War Z on PC, the ratio aimbotter vs none botter was 70% / 30%....why do you think i started playing an FPS on a console ....right...no dipshits with an aimbot, though i cant play nor will i ever be able to play with a controller.
Though i do miss the aimbotting accusations from PC, so i guess moving back there has at least that to look forward to :)
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:20:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Most bad people on the PC tend to to pay 20$ a month for an undetected aimbot or something like it, or at least pm me about where i got mine and tell me they are gonna get the same one....because hey ....they r too awesome to be beat...so we must be cheating... Ofcourse, next game you encounter them, they headshot you from their ass and then proceed to kill your 2 buddies before you can say "Target's on the roof"....all in 3 shots, while jumping from a building and i was standing on a moving vehicle....while my buddies where hanging out the window.... Then PM me again saying; i wasnt playing to my full skill earlier....just messin around...about the Aimbot dudeee.... 20 minutes later social lights up about how the guy is hacking :p... At some point in War Z on PC, the ratio aimbotter vs none botter was 70% / 30%....why do you think i started playing an FPS on a console ....right...no dipshits with an aimbot, though i cant play nor will i ever be able to play with a controller. Though i do miss the aimbotting accusations from PC, so i guess moving back there has at least that to look forward to :)
:( that's why I don't like the idea of using pcs for this....to many hackers and mods and all that [email protected]'t get me wrong, ps3 has it's bad parts to (turbo controllers being one of them)
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Argent Mordred
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:52:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote::( that's why I don't like the idea of using pcs for this....to many hackers and mods and all that [email protected]'t get me wrong, ps3 has it's bad parts to (turbo controllers being one of them)
At least they have to buy a turbo controller and choose to use the turbo button. On pc, you could get a free macro if you knew where reliable (i.e. virus-free) sites were or could code a bit. That's not to say that turbo controllers aren't bad on the consoles, but they could be even worse. Makes me wonder how they are going to link with EVE when critical battles could be affected by cheating. |
Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:23:00 -
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Argent Mordred wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote::( that's why I don't like the idea of using pcs for this....to many hackers and mods and all that [email protected]'t get me wrong, ps3 has it's bad parts to (turbo controllers being one of them) At least they have to buy a turbo controller and choose to use the turbo button. On pc, you could get a free macro if you knew where reliable (i.e. virus-free) sites were or could code a bit. That's not to say that turbo controllers aren't bad on the consoles, but they could be even worse. Makes me wonder how they are going to link with EVE when critical battles could be affected by cheating.
Ya....I guess we'll have to see how they deal with this first, but I do hope they take this into serious consideration.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2782
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:25:00 -
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Argent Mordred wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote::( that's why I don't like the idea of using pcs for this....to many hackers and mods and all that [email protected]'t get me wrong, ps3 has it's bad parts to (turbo controllers being one of them) At least they have to buy a turbo controller and choose to use the turbo button. On pc, you could get a free macro if you knew where reliable (i.e. virus-free) sites were or could code a bit. That's not to say that turbo controllers aren't bad on the consoles, but they could be even worse. Makes me wonder how they are going to link with EVE when critical battles could be affected by cheating.
How many people do you think would risk their toon by cheating? In pubs with brand new accounts, sure but nobody is risking years of sp by hacking.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:31:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I have a feeling that they won't restrict kbm on PC like they do on PS3.
It only makes sense they do it on consoles or else kbm has the advantage.
They will probably set it up so controllers can still be used on PC, but on PC FPS games, controllers are always a significant disadvantage.
This is due to the fact that (usually) on PC, controller users aren't artificially bettered by adding ridiculous aim assist in the game.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
5224
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:55:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Can honestly say I prefer the controller.....
Please let us use controllers on legion.....do it for the original dusters.... Something we're keeping in mind for sure going forward.
Your sig is ******* creepy.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3285
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:29:00 -
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Guys, encourage the controllers for legion and CCP make it so, hahahahaha.
Well that was fun
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