DUST Search - So EVE players will most likely play Legion...

Sole Fenychs wrote:

Joey - Drien wrote:

You don't understand what I say, for any game to have a depth, there always has to be no limit on the technical side, to make it happen. Especially in the case of Dust or any CCP game.

I understand fully well what you are saying. And it's flat-out wrong.
Many of the most intricate mechanics are done on consoles. Just look at Platinum Game brawlers.

The systems are better for certain genres, but that has jack **** to do with depth.
PC is superior for RTS titles, for example, but it has deep games like Starcraft and C&C Generals alongside shallow turds like Planetary Annihilation.
Meanwhile, consoles have plenty of fighting games that aren't possible with keyboard/mouse due to input systems that require too many buttons to be used at once. Many of these games also have huge amounts of depth.

A good developer will be able to make a deep game in any environment (...as long as it isn't an ATARI or something). The only advantage that PC has here is a lack of quality control and a lower barrier to entry. The latter lends itself well to random overcomplicated projects, like E.Y.E. - Divine Cybermancy, which is a game that is insanely complicated but has ****-all in terms of depth.
Meanwhile, you have Steel Battalion on the original Xbox.

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Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 534	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:44:00 - [1] - Quote So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 404	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:47:00 - [2] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? Actually I'd rather see the elitist perceptions dissipate and the two games become a truly linked New Eden experience, where I have in-game friends and enemies everywhere. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5188	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:50:00 - [3] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? Actually I'd rather see the elitist perceptions dissipate and the two games become a truly linked New Eden experience, where I have in-game friends and enemies everywhere. I'd like to see this happen after a good week of ass-whoopin.
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 534	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:51:00 - [4] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? Actually I'd rather see the elitist perceptions dissipate and the two games become a truly linked New Eden experience, where I have in-game friends and enemies everywhere. And i fail at telling jokes... MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 378	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:53:00 - [5] - Quote The EVE players will completely fail at winning. They will likely try to get bots to play for them or something. Because even bots are better than capsuleers at playing Dust.
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:53:00 - [6] - Quote It is not made for any elitist players. Simply for a bigger range of audience. The main reason is that console were never made for such a huge things like the dust and it's vision. They are made for fast, action and easy games to have quick fun ... That is what not many console players realize. Only way for dust to become part of EVE Universe is PC. The EVE Universe is complex, has a deep backstory, lore and overall huge scale. I mean this only makes sense. There is no betraying... only reasons. Dust is still cool, and to be honest, for a console, it is hell of a game. But it can't really go much further in scale.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 378	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:57:00 - [7] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: It is not made for any elitist players. Simply for a bigger range of audience. The main reason is that console were never made for such a huge things like the dust and it's vision. They are made for fast, action and easy games to have quick fun ... That is what not many console players realize. Only way for dust to become part of EVE Universe is PC. The EVE Universe is complex, has a deep backstory, lore and the scale of things. I mean this only makes sense. There is no betraying... only reasons. Dust is still cool game, and to be honest, for a console, it is hell of a game. Quick and easy access doesn't mean lack of depth. That's just a logical fallacy and one of the subtler kinds of FUD that PC elitists love to smear.
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 534	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:01:00 - [8] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: It is not made for any elitist players. Simply for a bigger range of audience. The main reason is that console were never made for such a huge things like the dust and it's vision. They are made for fast, action and easy games to have quick fun ... That is what not many console players realize. Only way for dust to become part of EVE Universe is PC. The EVE Universe is complex, has a deep backstory, lore and overall huge scale. I mean this only makes sense. There is no betraying... only reasons. Dust is still cool, and to be honest, for a console, it is hell of a game. Your missing what im saying... Because legion is on PC it will draw in the EVE crowd that are anxious to play it...then we will be there waitng for them With our pprototype gear and **** to say Its just as bad here as it is in EVE friend! Welcome to our turf fly boy MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 404	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:06:00 - [9] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? Actually I'd rather see the elitist perceptions dissipate and the two games become a truly linked New Eden experience, where I have in-game friends and enemies everywhere. And i fail at telling jokes... lol yeah I guess I missed it. My mind is already at the "what's left of the DUST community will be a small part of a bigger ~~Legion~~ EVE Online community" stage You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:11:00 - [10] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Joey - Drien wrote: It is not made for any elitist players. Simply for a bigger range of audience. The main reason is that console were never made for such a huge things like the dust and it's vision. They are made for fast, action and easy games to have quick fun ... That is what not many console players realize. Only way for dust to become part of EVE Universe is PC. The EVE Universe is complex, has a deep backstory, lore and the scale of things. I mean this only makes sense. There is no betraying... only reasons. Dust is still cool game, and to be honest, for a console, it is hell of a game. Quick and easy access doesn't mean lack of depth. That's just a logical fallacy and one of the subtler kinds of FUD that PC elitists love to smear. You don't understand what I say, for any game to have a depth, there always has to be no limit on the technical side, to make it happen. Especially in the case of Dust or any CCP game.

Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 97	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:12:00 - [11] - Quote edit: Minmatar Logistics since the beginning. Mass Driver my first and the only fully specialized weapon. Explorer.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5330	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:14:00 - [12] - Quote I doubt it. Most Eve players on Dust are more adept than average because they already come equipped with the ideas of tactics, strategy and organic teamwork. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2168	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:15:00 - [13] - Quote Because, you know, Eve players haven't played Dust at all. Nope...never. No Eve player would ever dirty themselves by touching a console amirite?
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 534	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:16:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I doubt it. Most Eve players on Dust are more adept than average because they already come equipped with the ideas of tactics, strategy and organic teamwork. Referring to the mass that have yet to play MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:19:00 - [15] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: You don't understand what I say, for any game to have a depth, there always has to be no limit on the technical side, to make it happen. Especially in the case of Dust or any CCP game. I understand fully well what you are saying. And it's flat-out wrong. Many of the most intricate mechanics are done on consoles. Just look at Platinum Game brawlers. The systems are better for certain genres, but that has jack ** to do with depth. PC is superior for RTS titles, for example, but it has deep games like Starcraft and C&C Generals alongside shallow turds like Planetary Annihilation. Meanwhile, consoles have plenty of fighting games that aren't possible with keyboard/mouse due to input systems that require too many buttons to be used at once. Many of these games also have huge amounts of depth. A good developer will be able to make a deep game in any environment (...as long as it isn't an ATARI or something). The only advantage that PC has here is a lack of quality control and a lower barrier to entry. The latter lends itself well to random overcomplicated projects, like E.Y.E. - Divine Cybermancy, which is a game that is insanely complicated but has **-all in terms of depth. Meanwhile, you have Steel Battalion on the original Xbox.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3027	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:19:00 - [16] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? And they will instantly turn around when 1 guy that has 60 mil SP stomps there whole team into the ground.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 624	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:22:00 - [17] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? You are assuming Captain Spreadsheets has any desire to tear himself away from his Veldspar mining.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:22:00 - [18] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? And they will instantly turn around when 1 guy that has 60 mil SP stomps there whole team into the ground. I would love a culture where Legion players actively try to harrass any EVE players that try to place foot on their turf. Imagine the hilarity of witch hunts whenever you are in a match or in the sandbox and find out that there's an EVE player running around with you. A whole match could come to a halt, with a message to everyone that there's an EVE player. Then everyone turns around and tries to murder the guy.
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 535	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:24:00 - [19] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? You are assuming Captain Spreadsheets has any desire to tear himself away from his Veldspar mining. Veldspar mining is serious god damn business it seems... MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 193	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:26:00 - [20] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: Joey - Drien wrote: It is not made for any elitist players. Simply for a bigger range of audience. The main reason is that console were never made for such a huge things like the dust and it's vision. They are made for fast, action and easy games to have quick fun ... That is what not many console players realize. Only way for dust to become part of EVE Universe is PC. The EVE Universe is complex, has a deep backstory, lore and overall huge scale. I mean this only makes sense. There is no betraying... only reasons. Dust is still cool, and to be honest, for a console, it is hell of a game. Your missing what im saying... Because legion is on PC it will draw in the EVE crowd that are anxious to play it...then we will be there waitng for them With our pprototype gear and **** to say Its just as bad here as it is in EVE friend! Welcome to our turf fly boy Stomp them to the point they quit please? Put them in more hell than you put your fellow mercs! Story of the Merc

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 3861	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:27:00 - [21] - Quote goodluck with that bro
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 893	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? I'm going to be making a posting about that later. That's why I liked that this wasn't on PC. We were the ground pounders, the console junkies. We were different from EVE players. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 627	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:29:00 - [23] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? And they will instantly turn around when 1 guy that has 60 mil SP stomps there whole team into the ground. I would love a culture where Legion players actively try to harrass any EVE players that try to place foot on their turf. Imagine the hilarity of witch hunts whenever you are in a match or in the sandbox and find out that there's an EVE player running around with you. A whole match could come to a halt, with a message to everyone that there's an EVE player. Then everyone turns around and tries to murder the guy. I'd laugh even harder if CCP goes full hardcore and puts war barges into the game as EVE ships. Imagine the tears when a Hurricane gank squad burns a warbarge to ashes and all 500 mercs onboard go down without firing a shot.
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 95	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:30:00 - [24] - Quote Alot of non-fps playing Eve players will HTFU and force themselves to learn, they are unlikely to leave because of getting their asses kicked from the beginning. Some will just focus on Eve and enjoy the extra dimension that Legion will bring to the game, anything that ads to the depth (and width) of Eve is good, whether it kicks your ass or not.
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 535	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:31:00 - [25] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? And they will instantly turn around when 1 guy that has 60 mil SP stomps there whole team into the ground. I would love a culture where Legion players actively try to harrass any EVE players that try to place foot on their turf. Imagine the hilarity of witch hunts whenever you are in a match or in the sandbox and find out that there's an EVE player running around with you. A whole match could come to a halt, with a message to everyone that there's an EVE player. Then everyone turns around and tries to murder the guy. I'd laugh even harder if CCP goes full hardcore and puts war barges into the game as EVE ships. Imagine the tears when a Hurricane gank squad burns a warbarge to ashes and all 500 mercs onboard go down without firing a shot. I remember them saying the orca was gonna be a functional war barge? MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 385	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Foley Jones wrote: So once this finally hits we will be greeted with all the elitist EVE players entering our territory... All in favor of whooping their asses telling them to go back to EVE? I'm going to be making a posting about that later. That's why I liked that this wasn't on PC. We were the ground pounders, the console junkies. We were different from EVE players. Yeah, I liked the idea of living in a different world. The guys on the ground, where equipment is priced in such low ISK values that a capsuleer would laugh and equip an entire squad with pocket change. We'd be weak and in far higher numbers due to the simpler nature of being a dustbunny, but the capsuleers would grudgingly need to accept that we are necessary to have around. The peasants that can sabotage their masters if they turn out to be asses. The console/PC distinction just made this even better, especially because of the ******** master race meme.
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:08:00 - [27] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Joey - Drien wrote: You don't understand what I say, for any game to have a depth, there always has to be no limit on the technical side, to make it happen. Especially in the case of Dust or any CCP game. I understand fully well what you are saying. And it's flat-out wrong. Many of the most intricate mechanics are done on consoles. Just look at Platinum Game brawlers. The systems are better for certain genres, but that has jack ** to do with depth. PC is superior for RTS titles, for example, but it has deep games like Starcraft and C&C Generals alongside shallow turds like Planetary Annihilation. Meanwhile, consoles have plenty of fighting games that aren't possible with keyboard/mouse due to input systems that require too many buttons to be used at once. Many of these games also have huge amounts of depth. A good developer will be able to make a deep game in any environment (...as long as it isn't an ATARI or something). The only advantage that PC has here is a lack of quality control and a lower barrier to entry. The latter lends itself well to random overcomplicated projects, like E.Y.E. - Divine Cybermancy, which is a game that is insanely complicated but has **-all in terms of depth. Meanwhile, you have Steel Battalion on the original Xbox. I understand what you are saying. And I believe that my opinion is not wrong. Well, simply said. There are pretty big reasons why Dust had to be moved to PC. Research yourself.
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:11:00 - [28] - Quote Anyone can buy a PC today, it gets even cheaper than a console. Doesn't mean anyone is elitist. The same thing can be said basicly about console players. In the end nobody is elitist so chill. There are just reasons for Dust to be moved to PC, quite a bunch. Not just because they are already struggling with optimizing the performance as it is today. Another reason is for Dust to become part of the EVE Universe there has to be no limitations. There are many more reasons.
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation 535	Posted - 2014.05.05 15:15:00 - [29] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: Anyone can buy a PC today, it gets even cheaper than a console. Doesn't mean anyone is elitist. The same thing can be said basicly about console players. In the end nobody is elitist so chill. There are just reasons for Dust to be moved to PC, quite a bunch. Not just because they are already struggling with optimizing the performance as it is today. Another reason is for Dust to become part of the EVE Universe there has to be no limitations. There are many more reasons. Meh only time will tell MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 387	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:46:00 - [30] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: Anyone can buy a PC today, it gets even cheaper than a console. Doesn't mean anyone is elitist. The same thing can be said basicly about console players. In the end nobody is elitist so chill. There are just reasons for Dust to be moved to PC, quite a bunch. Not just because they are already struggling with optimizing the performance as it is today. Another reason is for Dust to become part of the EVE Universe there has to be no limitations. There are many more reasons. Yes, there are reasons. "Depth" or "PC is superior" are not reasons. They are elitist statements with no foundation in reality. And I'm a defender of Legion's move to PC. Also, your point about a PC being "cheap" is completely ******* pointless. It's not a matter of price, it's a matter of priority. I can get myself a 500Gé¼ PC or I can invest money in an SSD for my old PC (Which will be perfectly adequate for anything besides possibly Legion, if it's optimized even half as bad as the PS3 version) or I can use that money for something entirely different. Don't tell people that "PC is cheap" as if that removed the barrier to entry. Some people need to use their money for more than just entertainment. Note that I'm still putting off the next gen consoles. I'll likely get them in the second generation, with lowered price. Or maybe I will finally get myself a full Windows 8 tablet.



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