1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment.

2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?

3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games.

4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.

5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.

6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections.

No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations.

You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane.

4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.

5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.

2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?

4. You are right that bad code is bad code. What I'm saying is that a console is just not the right platform to connect with the Test server. I know because I was there when the PS3 was connected to Singularity. It was not pretty and PS3 were bricking at a higher rate back then compared to now. The PC just happens to have more wiggle room which is why PC suffers less than a console. And yes, I do know about the melted graphics cards of 2011 and the boot.ini.

5. You misunderstood what I said. I never said it was going to be harder to hack a PC. Don't put words on my mouth. I said it will be easier to trace hacks via better unification with the server. Hacks will happens eventually. Again, look at CCP's track record when it came to dealing with illegal RMT bot operations in Eve Online.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what you and I think at this point. The PS3 is living on borrowed time and we all knew from the beginning that Dust was going to be on the PC eventually.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what you and I think at this point. The PS3 is living on borrowed time and we all knew from the beginning that Dust was going to be on the PC eventually.

4. Direct access to the Singularity Test server in addition to direct access to the Tranquility Live server without having to rely on regional servers. The danger of bricking the PC after connecting to the test server is noticeably less since it can handle unoptimized code better than a console can because a console is primarily meant to play finished, optimized games like CoD, Metal Gear, etc. And as we all saw back in Closed Beta when Dust was once connected to the Singularity Test server, many PS3 got turned into bricks due to the server's unoptimized and unstable nature. Eve Online players on the other hand suffered little to no bricking of their desktops with the exception of what happened in 2011.

+1 but you probably didn't know about this gem from back in '07

Nothing like wiping your entire OS. . .

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/about-the-boot.ini-issue/

4. Listen, just because you re-write the same exact thing again doesn't change that it is completely false. Ps3s were bricking because CCP wrote bad code, not because of singularity. The PC has no more wiggle room for horrible code, as is evidence by CCP's bad code frying motherboards left and right with ambulation, or "bricking" PCs with the boot.ini fiasco.

5. I am VERY familiar with CCP's track record with bots. They ban them after those bots are used for 6 months, then within 2 weeks they are all back for another 6 months.

EDIT: Also, people were fine with DUST 514 moving to a new platform, people are NOT FINE with Dust 514 being shelved. Know the difference. No one expected PS3 Dust 514 forever, they did expect DUST 514 to last though, actually that is exactly what they were promised numerous times by multiple people from CCP.

Yeah, Legion on PC was definitely a good step forward if you want a PS4 version anytime soon

1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment.

2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?

3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games.

4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.

5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.

6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections.

No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations.

You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane.

1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment.

2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?

3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games.

4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.

5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.

6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections.

No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations.

You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane.

@Op This should not in anyway be taken as a criticism of your post.

Just a few quick points.

The disadvantage of building/buying a basic PC is the fact you will need to upgrade it sooner rather than later and decent graphics cards etc are not cheap.

You will need to continuously upgrade your PC which will eventually run into the 1000's of $.

Someone with a better more expensive PC gaming rig can have a significant advantage over you.
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I'm a PC gamer who bought a PS3 for dust and I have to disagree with you here.

Upgrades depend on what you want t do, I can run BF4, planetside 2, 4 eve clients, war thunder and so on perfectly well on a 2 year old laptop that cost under -ú700. I just cant always do it at max graphics.

Laptops are awful at gaming and far more expensive than the equivalent desktop would be.

If you build smart, stay away from top end and get the best value components at the upper-mid range of the market you get a lot of bang for your buck.

I cant think of any instance where having a better PC gives unfair advantage in a game I've played, its almost always the other way around. If you turn things like shadows, foliage, smoke effects, texture res down to lower settings its often a bit easier to see who your shooting at.

1) I've never really understood how this is a good thing. Genuinely, I don't understand how not having to go through a process to ensure a patch doesn't break the platform it's playing is anything but bad. (I seem to recall an EVE patch some time ago that would prevent a computers ability to boot up)

2) You have a point, but then again they're using the UE3 again, so that's a non-issue. And the logical engine switch would've been UE4, which would've been fine for console.

3) Wouldn't it still be theoretically possible to have one account for all so long as they had a log in not tied to PSN (Like EA Origin, it's a different login)

4) This does have merit. (though one my suggest making a stable server)

5) I don't believe hackers are an issue on consoles (Or at least much less, so it'd balance out)

6) Porting

Not saying the PC doesn't have benefits, I'm just not sure you really caught them, bar maybe the test server.

Yes, I vote for PC as well. I know there are so many angry dudes but the fact is they are not listening to reason. It's screwed up the way it was presented, I agree. Yet, I still ses a better future and game in Legion.

The PS3 held Dust back from becoming what it can be. The environments, the updates, the comms, the graphics, the UI, the on the fly upgrades, etc. You can do so much more with PC.

Bro I say this and I'm not even in a PC gamer. I want a PC now to play Legion. Dude, its going to be so awesome. I plan to have some of the finest buds to celebrate the moment I get to play it on PC

Number 5 there:
Yea i have to agree if anything it will be much easier to hack anything on PC.
At least on the console sony has locked the console down greatly restricting what the end users can actually do. Yes there are hacked consoles out there and its not hard to look up how to do it ( heck with just a little money nearly all ps3's out there can be downgraded then hacked) however sony has a network of bots that detect hacked consoles and autobans them.
NONE of this is possible on a PC legally. The PC is the players property and there is no EULA. So CCP can ban the player sure but there is nothing that would stop the same player from making accounts over and over and over again and cheating like hell. With the sony network they ban the playstation system itself (not sure exactly how i suspect they get the MAC address of the system ) Even if CCP did this though its very easy to spoof mac addresses on a computer.

What is pathetic is that i know this is already going to be crap if CCP is not constantly vigilant in getting rid of hackers. I play a few steam games that are free to play and despite there being no monetary incentive to cheat people still cheat like crazy.