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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.11 02:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Khan Hun wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:@Op This should not in anyway be taken as a criticism of your post.
Just a few quick points.
The disadvantage of building/buying a basic PC is the fact you will need to upgrade it sooner rather than later and decent graphics cards etc are not cheap.
You will need to continuously upgrade your PC which will eventually run into the 1000's of $.
Someone with a better more expensive PC gaming rig can have a significant advantage over you.
. I'm a PC gamer who bought a PS3 for dust and I have to disagree with you here. Upgrades depend on what you want t do, I can run BF4, planetside 2, 4 eve clients, war thunder and so on perfectly well on a 2 year old laptop that cost under -ú700. I just cant always do it at max graphics. Laptops are awful at gaming and far more expensive than the equivalent desktop would be. If you build smart, stay away from top end and get the best value components at the upper-mid range of the market you get a lot of bang for your buck. I cant think of any instance where having a better PC gives unfair advantage in a game I've played, its almost always the other way around. If you turn things like shadows, foliage, smoke effects, texture res down to lower settings its often a bit easier to see who your shooting at. Well how about -ú150 gaming keyboard -ú80 gaming mouse -ú120 full digital surround sound capable, sound card Not only could I physically press buttons faster, track enemies more effeciently, hear enemies attempting sneak attacks etc, with practice I can match a persons movememt so perfectly, so accurately I can head shot people through walls. Not only that I can see in detail a character model at much further distamces than other people, I can tell what weapon a person has before he even knows I've tagged him, is that not an advantage to me?
All my wat.
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.11 03:22:00 -
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So why bring this up here in Dust514 General forums? Bring it up in a proper place. Surely there is a Legion forum by now or in the sandbox/footwell/crab box or whatever there is here from something that is not Dust.
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.11 03:53:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Thurak1 wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment.
2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?
3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games.
4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.
5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.
6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections.
No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations.
You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane. Number 5 there: Yea i have to agree if anything it will be much easier to hack anything on PC. At least on the console sony has locked the console down greatly restricting what the end users can actually do. Yes there are hacked consoles out there and its not hard to look up how to do it ( heck with just a little money nearly all ps3's out there can be downgraded then hacked) however sony has a network of bots that detect hacked consoles and autobans them. NONE of this is possible on a PC legally. The PC is the players property and there is no EULA. So CCP can ban the player sure but there is nothing that would stop the same player from making accounts over and over and over again and cheating like hell. With the sony network they ban the playstation system itself (not sure exactly how i suspect they get the MAC address of the system ) Even if CCP did this though its very easy to spoof mac addresses on a computer. What is pathetic is that i know this is already going to be crap if CCP is not constantly vigilant in getting rid of hackers. I play a few steam games that are free to play and despite there being no monetary incentive to cheat people still cheat like crazy. Well i am not sure about that, many PC shooters demand you to install anti-hack software to be able to even play them, like Punkbuster. Systems searching the servers for suspicious behaviour (aka bots) arent a consoles exclusive lile The Last of Us is :) I personaly find few hackers, so, personally, I dont think from my experience that its a big problem. It dosent get ot a level where it bothers me, but I really dont play much CoD or BF, the last shooters I player on my PC were Red Orchestra 2 and Redlight Retribution.
There has never been more tryhards in one place than in new eden. If there is anyway to cheat, the neckbeards will figure it out and do it. Since it will be free to play, and since CCP is apparently lessening the gap (meaning the value of having an aged account) between younger and older players, there is all the incentive in the world to cheat... especially if by cheating in Legion you will be able to play Eve online for free.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8497
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Posted - 2014.05.11 04:15:00 -
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Glyd Path wrote:So why bring this up here in Dust514 General forums? Bring it up in a proper place. Surely there is a Legion forum by now or in the sandbox/footwell/crab box or whatever there is here from something that is not Dust.
This was before CCP implemented the new legion forum so at the time the practical place to post was in the DUST general discussion.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Gemini Cuspid
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2014.05.11 05:17:00 -
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Only argument I need: if we all agreed this was a great move by CCP there wouldn't be this much vitrol involved with Legion. All i need to say to prove my point. It also means a game is only as successful as its playerbase supports it and CCP effectively said goodbye to how much of its playerbase just with Legion alone? That's a lot of players it has to contend with and I really really doubt with the way the game titles are looking it will be better for CCP. I think the shooter Destiny is the new thing being trumpeted by everyone and while I don't think I'll get that game, I won't deny that it's appeal to a lot of gamers will really push interest away from Legion and toward Destiny. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1663
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:15:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
1. You are correct that Sony can ensure quality patches but then again even Sony couldn't stop a bad patch from going through as all of us bear witness to that fact in the previous Dust builds not to mention the delays caused by the Sony QA process for critical bug fixes. Without Sony, this leaves the burden of quality assurance squarely on CCP. But on the plus side, CCP can deploy critical patches much faster without having to deal with the red tape. There is always a trade off.
2. I guess you can forgot about what I said here now that we recently learned UE3 is still being used for Legion.
3. It's possible.
5. I guess you have a point there.
6. Porting is an option if we ever see a PS4 version sometime down the road, but how much company resources does that take to accomplish compared to sticking to the PC? That part I don't know.
The PC's principle benefit over the console is its hardware, no doubt. But as I pointed out before, there might come a time that the consoles will finally match the PC in architecture, power, and flexibility. I have my doubts about the PS4 even with today's advancements in technology, but there is a likelihood now that the next gen console after that might actually finally compete with PCs for once. Who knows?
Let's also not forget that there are new competitors forming such as the Steam Box, Ouya, and others. The Steam Box is of particular interest to me and who knows what Google, Apple, and other tech giants will bring to the market if any of them ever decide to join in on the console market.
Quicker patches would be nice, I just hope CCP has good quality control.
On the last section, I just would like to ask, what do you find interesting about the Steambox?
Don't mean much by it, just curiosity is all.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
485
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:37:00 -
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TOO LITTLE TOO LATE
RIGHT DECISION, WRONG TIME
No point defending something which should have been done a long time ago!
Permanent Beta Tester || MAG Vet, SVER Scrub For Life
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8499
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:43:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
1. You are correct that Sony can ensure quality patches but then again even Sony couldn't stop a bad patch from going through as all of us bear witness to that fact in the previous Dust builds not to mention the delays caused by the Sony QA process for critical bug fixes. Without Sony, this leaves the burden of quality assurance squarely on CCP. But on the plus side, CCP can deploy critical patches much faster without having to deal with the red tape. There is always a trade off.
2. I guess you can forgot about what I said here now that we recently learned UE3 is still being used for Legion.
3. It's possible.
5. I guess you have a point there.
6. Porting is an option if we ever see a PS4 version sometime down the road, but how much company resources does that take to accomplish compared to sticking to the PC? That part I don't know.
The PC's principle benefit over the console is its hardware, no doubt. But as I pointed out before, there might come a time that the consoles will finally match the PC in architecture, power, and flexibility. I have my doubts about the PS4 even with today's advancements in technology, but there is a likelihood now that the next gen console after that might actually finally compete with PCs for once. Who knows?
Let's also not forget that there are new competitors forming such as the Steam Box, Ouya, and others. The Steam Box is of particular interest to me and who knows what Google, Apple, and other tech giants will bring to the market if any of them ever decide to join in on the console market.
Quicker patches would be nice, I just hope CCP has good quality control. On the last section, I just would like to ask, what do you find interesting about the Steambox? Don't mean much by it, just curiosity is all.
It's new. It's not an Xbox, not a PS, and not a Wii. From what I heard it's also Linux based. Then there are the reports of certain CCP personnel receiving a couple of Steam Boxes for some reason.
http://dustsearch.com/thread/133420/page/all
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:58:00 -
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sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8501
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Posted - 2014.05.11 21:09:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service
What do you think of the Steam Box, though? Do you think this is what the console players have been looking for in regards to finally matching up the power of the console with the PCs?
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:30:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service What do you think of the Steam Box, though? Do you think this is what the console players have been looking for in regards to finally matching up the power of the console with the PCs?
http://www.ign.com/wikis/steam/Steam_Machine
Looks OK. Like I said though, it's the console-exclusive franchises that mostly draw people to them. If Steam can make it appealing then more power to them. But I haven't really tried Steam because it looks on the surface to be a bunch of decent indie games and ports of games that are already on PSN and Xbox live.
I was gonna try Steam to play this game called Rust, but I decided not to. I don't know man, I mean if I had the time to play a ton of games I would but I've found myself lately just sticking to one game until I move onto the next one. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8505
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:55:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service What do you think of the Steam Box, though? Do you think this is what the console players have been looking for in regards to finally matching up the power of the console with the PCs? http://www.ign.com/wikis/steam/Steam_MachineLooks OK. Like I said though, it's the console-exclusive franchises that mostly draw people to them. If Steam can make it appealing then more power to them. But I haven't really tried Steam because it looks on the surface to be a bunch of decent indie games and ports of games that are already on PSN and Xbox live. I was gonna try Steam to play this game called Rust, but I decided not to. I don't know man, I mean if I had the time to play a ton of games I would but I've found myself lately just sticking to one game until I move onto the next one.
I see. No problem. I have a could of friends that usually stick to one game until they finish it. One of them is actually slowly crossing over from the console side to the PC side mainly because of how the console gaming industry has either put him off or that he doesn't find console games that appealing anymore.
One of the things that are starting to put ME off is the fact that some games seem to force you to have to get a certain console to use it. Gran Turismo for the PS only, Halo for the Xbox only, Legend of Zelda on the Wii only, etc. If I wanted to try all three, I will have to buy all three consoles. Of course the benefit is that I finally get to try literally every game out there since I really do have all three consoles, but it still irks me to have to make this much of an investment to have fun.
I always wonder when will come the day when all I need is just one console and still be able to try all games from other consoles at the same time. I get the feeling I will be living in a retirement home eating jello and playing bingo by the time that happens.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
423
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Posted - 2014.05.12 05:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service What do you think of the Steam Box, though? Do you think this is what the console players have been looking for in regards to finally matching up the power of the console with the PCs?
Honestly if Valve can get the steam box out for a reasonable price, make it reliable and fool-proof, I think they could actually make some pretty decent waves in the console market. Valve has their work cut out for them though.
I am actually incredibly excited for the project, if valve can find some success, maybe they can finally de-couple PC gaming from windows, and I can dump that crappy OS once and for all. A person can dream can't they?
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:46:00 -
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The key thing is developers developing for the Steam OS - wich is free thus bring down the price of PC's.
About Steam machines though, I am not sure. Of course, they are "packaged" PC's, but I fear they might be just as todays pre-assembled PC's.
Convenience apart, I think SteamOS adoption is the key, as it brings PC gaming out of Microsofts control.
Ant it being Linux bases, well, I dont see why not advanced users could not have other flavours od Linux with more capabilities.
But, all things considered, IF SteamOS takes off (may take some years) and the machines are fair priced and well assembled, I think its got a good future. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2331
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:sorry OP but I don't feel like reading that text wall
anyway consoles are necessary if you like any of the first-party games or third-party ones that aren't on PC. unfortunately consoles are a major source, if not THE major source of income for Sony and the like, so this probably won't be changing anytime soon.
and the cell phone app games "taking over" just means there'll be more pressure to make handheld consoles, possibly something like a Game Boy with cellular service What do you think of the Steam Box, though? Do you think this is what the console players have been looking for in regards to finally matching up the power of the console with the PCs? http://www.ign.com/wikis/steam/Steam_MachineLooks OK. Like I said though, it's the console-exclusive franchises that mostly draw people to them. If Steam can make it appealing then more power to them. But I haven't really tried Steam because it looks on the surface to be a bunch of decent indie games and ports of games that are already on PSN and Xbox live. I was gonna try Steam to play this game called Rust, but I decided not to. I don't know man, I mean if I had the time to play a ton of games I would but I've found myself lately just sticking to one game until I move onto the next one. I see. No problem. I have a could of friends that usually stick to one game until they finish it. One of them is actually slowly crossing over from the console side to the PC side mainly because of how the console gaming industry has either put him off or that he doesn't find console games that appealing anymore. One of the things that are starting to put ME off is the fact that some games seem to force you to have to get a certain console to use it. Gran Turismo for the PS only, Halo for the Xbox only, Legend of Zelda on the Wii only, etc. If I wanted to try all three, I will have to buy all three consoles. Of course the benefit is that I finally get to try literally every game out there since I really do have all three consoles, but it still irks me to have to make this much of an investment to have fun. I always wonder when will come the day when all I need is just one console and still be able to try all games from other consoles at the same time. I get the feeling I will be living in a retirement home eating jello and playing bingo by the time that happens.
First off, even owning all those consoles wouldn't get you all the games. It would only get you all the current console games. There's a massive difference there because you still miss out on the vast number of PC exclusives as well as the games from older console generations that won't work on the newer gen consoles.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8515
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:58:00 -
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@Buster
Well, companies like Nintendo for example have offered Wii users a chance to download arcade games and such like Sonic The Hedgehog (the one from the Sega Genesis era), Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (N64), etc. on the Wii so I don't have to invest on those weeeeeeeee ooooooold consoles of Yesteryear just to try out a game I feel nostalgic about. Xbox is offering Gold Members monthly offers of Free games like Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, etc. I don't know about Sony.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2331
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@Buster
Well, companies like Nintendo for example have offered Wii users a chance to download arcade games and such like Sonic The Hedgehog (the one from the Sega Genesis era), Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (N64), etc. on the Wii so I don't have to invest on those weeeeeeeee ooooooold consoles of Yesteryear just to try out a game I feel nostalgic about. Xbox is offering Gold Members monthly offers of Free games like Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, etc. I don't know about Sony.
This only covers a small fraction of the missing titles though.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8516
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:04:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@Buster
Well, companies like Nintendo for example have offered Wii users a chance to download arcade games and such like Sonic The Hedgehog (the one from the Sega Genesis era), Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (N64), etc. on the Wii so I don't have to invest on those weeeeeeeee ooooooold consoles of Yesteryear just to try out a game I feel nostalgic about. Xbox is offering Gold Members monthly offers of Free games like Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, etc. I don't know about Sony. This only covers a small fraction of the missing titles though.
True. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to bring back ET from the Atari.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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RayRay James
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
134
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:07:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
4. Direct access to the Singularity Test server in addition to direct access to the Tranquility Live server without having to rely on regional servers. The danger of bricking the PC after connecting to the test server is noticeably less since it can handle unoptimized code better than a console can because a console is primarily meant to play finished, optimized games like CoD, Metal Gear, etc. And as we all saw back in Closed Beta when Dust was once connected to the Singularity Test server, many PS3 got turned into bricks due to the server's unoptimized and unstable nature. Eve Online players on the other hand suffered little to no bricking of their desktops with the exception of what happened in 2011.
+1 for your additude but you probably didn't know about this gem from back in '07 Nothing like wiping your entire OS. . . http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/about-the-boot.ini-issue/Still, benefits out weigh cons in my book.
Hehehe, I remember when that happened.
It only affected a small number of users. Those that happened to be running XP Home Edition, that had downloaded only the most anticipated patch of the year, and rebooted their PC before notice of the bug had gone out.
So, like what, half the EVE players? 
Also, it spawned this hilarious short:
CCP Boot.ini
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