DUST Search - Benefits of the PC.

Thurak1 wrote:

Mary Lilac wrote:

1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment.

2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is?

3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games.

4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC.

5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine.

6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections.

No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations.

You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane.

Number 5 there:
Yea i have to agree if anything it will be much easier to hack anything on PC.
At least on the console sony has locked the console down greatly restricting what the end users can actually do. Yes there are hacked consoles out there and its not hard to look up how to do it ( heck with just a little money nearly all ps3's out there can be downgraded then hacked) however sony has a network of bots that detect hacked consoles and autobans them.
NONE of this is possible on a PC legally. The PC is the players property and there is no EULA. So CCP can ban the player sure but there is nothing that would stop the same player from making accounts over and over and over again and cheating like hell. With the sony network they ban the playstation system itself (not sure exactly how i suspect they get the MAC address of the system ) Even if CCP did this though its very easy to spoof mac addresses on a computer.

What is pathetic is that i know this is already going to be crap if CCP is not constantly vigilant in getting rid of hackers. I play a few steam games that are free to play and despite there being no monetary incentive to cheat people still cheat like crazy.


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Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 106	Posted - 2014.05.11 02:38:00 - [1] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: 1) Judging from their patches, Sony's process could only help the horrible code that they were putting out. Not only that but they weren't required to put out patches every month, that was just bad managment. 2)I believe they said that they are using UE4. Doesn't matter, just like how you shouldn't build a house on a crap foundation, you shouldn't build a game on crap codebase. Guess what the codebase for dust is? 3) Also allows for a greater canablism rate between games. 4) Is just utter garabage. One the one hand you said that consoles are just specialized PCS, now they are magical boxes that don't do so well with bad code, were as PCs do just fine with it. News flash, bad code is bad code. CCP burned quite a few motherboards and deleted quite a few boot.inis before on PC. 5) LOL, you really think it will be harder to hack on a PC?? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you state something like this. CCP is always 5 steps behind RMT guys, and they only catch the most obvious ones. Just don't use one of the three mining bots avaible on pirate bay and you will be fine. 6) Eve has been re-made at least 3 times now, and it is undergoing another remaking. You want a game to last a long time? You need to remake it. Especially eve which was also build on incredibly bad code, and CCP spent YEARS re-writing the base code in small sections. No, the problems with dust were 99% bad code, 1% Ps3 limitations. You expect to get a better result when you have the same team (actually half of that team) from the same studio (slightly smaller than before) on a smaller budget. That is actually insane. Number 5 there: Yea i have to agree if anything it will be much easier to hack anything on PC. At least on the console sony has locked the console down greatly restricting what the end users can actually do. Yes there are hacked consoles out there and its not hard to look up how to do it ( heck with just a little money nearly all ps3's out there can be downgraded then hacked) however sony has a network of bots that detect hacked consoles and autobans them. NONE of this is possible on a PC legally. The PC is the players property and there is no EULA. So CCP can ban the player sure but there is nothing that would stop the same player from making accounts over and over and over again and cheating like hell. With the sony network they ban the playstation system itself (not sure exactly how i suspect they get the MAC address of the system ) Even if CCP did this though its very easy to spoof mac addresses on a computer. What is pathetic is that i know this is already going to be crap if CCP is not constantly vigilant in getting rid of hackers. I play a few steam games that are free to play and despite there being no monetary incentive to cheat people still cheat like crazy. Well i am not sure about that, many PC shooters demand you to install anti-hack software to be able to even play them, like Punkbuster. Systems searching the servers for suspicious behaviour (aka bots) arent a consoles exclusive lile The Last of Us is :) I personaly find few hackers, so, personally, I dont think from my experience that its a big problem. It dosent get ot a level where it bothers me, but I really dont play much CoD or BF, the last shooters I player on my PC were Red Orchestra 2 and Redlight Retribution.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 106	Posted - 2014.05.11 02:39:00 - [2] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Khan Hun wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: @Op This should not in anyway be taken as a criticism of your post. Just a few quick points. The disadvantage of building/buying a basic PC is the fact you will need to upgrade it sooner rather than later and decent graphics cards etc are not cheap. You will need to continuously upgrade your PC which will eventually run into the 1000's of $. Someone with a better more expensive PC gaming rig can have a significant advantage over you. . I'm a PC gamer who bought a PS3 for dust and I have to disagree with you here. Upgrades depend on what you want t do, I can run BF4, planetside 2, 4 eve clients, war thunder and so on perfectly well on a 2 year old laptop that cost under -ú700. I just cant always do it at max graphics. Laptops are awful at gaming and far more expensive than the equivalent desktop would be. If you build smart, stay away from top end and get the best value components at the upper-mid range of the market you get a lot of bang for your buck. I cant think of any instance where having a better PC gives unfair advantage in a game I've played, its almost always the other way around. If you turn things like shadows, foliage, smoke effects, texture res down to lower settings its often a bit easier to see who your shooting at. Well how about -ú150 gaming keyboard -ú80 gaming mouse -ú120 full digital surround sound capable, sound card Not only could I physically press buttons faster, track enemies more effeciently, hear enemies attempting sneak attacks etc, with practice I can match a persons movememt so perfectly, so accurately I can head shot people through walls. Not only that I can see in detail a character model at much further distamces than other people, I can tell what weapon a person has before he even knows I've tagged him, is that not an advantage to me? All my wat. $120 KB wont make you press buttosn faster. Nor a $80 mouse will make your game better.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 115	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:46:00 - [3] - Quote The key thing is developers developing for the Steam OS - wich is free thus bring down the price of PC's. About Steam machines though, I am not sure. Of course, they are "packaged" PC's, but I fear they might be just as todays pre-assembled PC's. Convenience apart, I think SteamOS adoption is the key, as it brings PC gaming out of Microsofts control. Ant it being Linux bases, well, I dont see why not advanced users could not have other flavours od Linux with more capabilities. But, all things considered, IF SteamOS takes off (may take some years) and the machines are fair priced and well assembled, I think its got a good future.