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Poppa Smurfff The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:33:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [2] - Quote Hopefully they gut the broken skill system and revamp it completely. I'd gladly sacrifice my sp for that. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 296	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [3] - Quote You just want free respec, do you? They are trying to simplify the skill system, so it may end something different than it is now, so it's hard to say HOW it will work and be I support EVE Legion, but the message was very badly delivered...
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 279	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [4] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. i think it means if those skills havent changed you'll keep them if not you'll get SP.
Bad Heal Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 123	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [5] - Quote Lol good luck. I'll bet they give you 50 caldari advance assault suits
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2028	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [6] - Quote Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [7] - Quote Ive screen shotted his original post, so we will now see if CCP will do a u-turn on this promise
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4270	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [8] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Hopefully they gut the broken skill system and revamp it completely. I'd gladly sacrifice my sp for that. Leave. Sure, why the f*ck not?
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:37:00 - [9] - Quote Leave and go where? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy What Is Dead May Never Die 1190	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:38:00 - [10] - Quote Spent too much money on fused locuses did ya? Yeah, I remember.

Poppa Smurfff The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Spent too much money on fused locuses did ya? Yeah, I remember. I think you need to re-read the post Ansiis. iv already made public I spent way too much money on this game. Anyone who is concerned about their hard earned character being transferred to Legion should be asking this same questions.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 576	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: You just want free respec, do you? They are trying to simplify the skill system, so it may end something different than it is now, so it's hard to say HOW it will work and be Well according to CCP - the dust skill tree is bad - so possibly they 'may' revamp the dust skill tree at some point? Ha ha yeah right.... And with this revamp bring the dust skill tree inline with legion.
PLAYSTTION Universal Allies Inc. 113	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:53:00 - [13] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. It means all skills that are in legion will be kept and your sp will be refunded. All the items you have that are in legion will also be kept Back to BF1943, only 4 more ranks to go till at the top! R.I.P Dust 514 90 day Aurum refund call 1-800-345-SONY

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6967	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:01:00 - [14] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1043	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:07:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 709	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:14:00 - [16] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Now that's just being honest but I just believe that many just don't care and have gotten over the initial shock . + 1 for your truthfulness . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 172	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:16:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: [quote=Poppa Smurfff]CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do.[/quote Character name is almost as imortaint as my investment, but I think this is already covered, right?
Hecarim Van Hohen 1326	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:16:00 - [18] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. If SP still exists in the same form in EVE:Legion as it does in Dust 514 and all of the skills transfer into the new system in EVE:Legion yes, you could potentially "proto stomp" State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6975	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:21:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 248	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:22:00 - [20] - Quote I'll be happy with only my sp, dren, lav and templar bpo gear move over with other assortments of bpos as well. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:26:00 - [21] - Quote i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It should be easy to just give us back our lifetime SP and let us apply the newly-unallocated SP to skills available in Legion. After all, a lot of us invested in boosters to get those SP which involved cash. As for the transfer of our characters, it should be easy for those of us who have Eve accounts to be able to get our Dust characters into Legion if both Dust and Eve accounts happen to share the same email address. Of course you will have to talk to Sony to see how both companies can make this work since Sony has a strict policy regarding personal information. It should be ok for Sony since all you're asking is for Sony to allow in-game character stats (nothing to do with personally identifiable information like credit card numbers or home addresses) to be ported over to Legion. Just ask us to open a petition to request the transfer when the time comes so we can give you our email address. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1433	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:28:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I highly doubt if I were to play my 2+ years of commitment to Dust would be reflected. I like you a lot Logibro, but I cannot help but doubt this. If I am proven wrong however, I will publicly apologize. I still wont play Legion, but I will apologize. Good luck. We are the 514, and we will not forget RIP Dust
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1034	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:29:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It looks like you are trying to get people to continue to pay and play a game that your studio has given up on. Playing on their hopes and their emotional connection to the time they spent and trying to still make green after you borked them is low. It seems like you guys really should have taken a PR class before Fanfest. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1551	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:29:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Logibro, thank you for coming to the forums. The last few days of silence has been quite terrifying given the change. Applicable skills is quite scary. Let's say I have 33 million SP, that high because of constant boosters and time investment despite having taken breaks from the game. I have lots of millions in Core Skills; more PG, CPU, faster running, better radar. If those are not applicable skill points, I basically lost all that investment because I chose the wrong skills to put points into. I understand that all of this is really early but, well, the genie is out of the bottle and we only have questions now. I almost think that bringing up Legion when it is a year away and may even be canceled was a bad idea, though the flip side of not telling us that a huge shake up is coming is just as bad.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4272	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:30:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? Sure, why the f*ck not?
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 292	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:32:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I am very glad to see you say this. I was worried about CCP RougeGÇÖs choice of the word GÇÿapplicableGÇÖ, and made the same point on dust514.info as you say here. And the same goes for assets GÇö carry over the investment (since legion, I assume, will for the most part not have bopGÇÖs as we know them). CCP Logibro wrote: But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. This disparity of 500k vs 40mil SP players is something that will turn up anyway, even if release started with everyone at 0, since presumably we want new players to continually arrive. So the power disparity needs to be planned for regardless.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1551	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:33:00 - [28] - Quote I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it."
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4272	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:34:00 - [29] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. Sure, why the f*ck not?

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6976	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:37:00 - [30] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. My magic crystal ball guess though (and in no way shape or form take this as confirmation, it's purely a guess on my part) is likely that they could be unique cosmetics, as well as indicators of your heritage and legacy from DUST. But this hasn't been decided yet, and we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)


ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:38:00 - [31] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? actually BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:39:00 - [32] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:40:00 - [33] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." I guess it will depend on how Dust's BPOs will compare to the suits in Legion. If the fitting design is radically different in Legion than that of Dust, then it's likely your BPOs are useless in Legion. If they are mostly similar to each other, you might be able to keep them. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:43:00 - [34] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. Oh I see. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 73	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:45:00 - [35] - Quote If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us.
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 10	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:46:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Their solution is to have an event to encourage you to spend money days before they announce that dust is dead. Your not getting your "investment" back, CCP dont give a ****, they have your money and have probs used it on an underage thai boy.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1552	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:49:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Fair enough. Just please understand how this looks as a fan of DUST and a customer rather than just a company/employee of a company; scary and anger inducing. Thanks for reply. We are starved for information.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 169	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:50:00 - [38] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet.
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Thanks for the answers Logibro. I still don't like you after you basically spent 72 hours repeatedly spitting in our collective faces and then taking a huge dump on our chests with how massively awfully you handled the unveil. But I respect you for atleast telling us what's going on. If you get a chance, could you tell CCP Rouge to stop being such a *** after Hilmar obviously had to drag his pathetic posterior onto the stage like some ****** school child, to explain things he should have explained at the Dust (No wait Legion) keynote. This is his idea. He needs to account for it. Thanks.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1048	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [40] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid Everyone knows there's a new COD every year. CCP said that Dust would last ten years. CCP, it's coming to something when your customers consider Activision more trustworthy than you.

Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 73	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [41] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet. Probably. Before this announcement, I was considering getting an EVE account. But, probably not, anymore. I'm going to get a PS4 and Destiny and not even bother with Valkyrie or Dust when they bring the dead game to the PS4. I'm not even going to bother getting EVE or Legion when I get a new PC. Instead, I'll just play Star Citizen. It looks a lot better than EVE and it looks like they know what they are doing better than CCP.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [42] - Quote Thanks for the straight up answers logibro :) In some ways transferring dust players progression over will be a good, err, reminder(!) of how important the NPE, match making and the balance between max and min skill levels in different areas of the game are. I think if you do a good job with the balance, the power curve and the NPE then dust players having some advantage over fresh players wont matter, and more importantly new players joining a year after launch will not be stomped by a horrid experience either. Its worth noting that even with no SP transfer, dust vets will still have a big advantage due to understanding a lot of core mechanics. I do think the sooner you can give some idea how SP transfer will work the better, I for one wont be playing dust or buying boosters for now. If you can tell me that SP I earn from now until legion will be a tangible investment that will pay of in legion, then I'll happy get some boosters and leap out the nearest MCC :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:57:00 - [43] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet. Probably. Before this announcement, I was considering getting an EVE account. But, probably not, anymore. I'm going to get a PS4 and Destiny and not even bother with Valkyrie or Dust when they bring the dead game to the PS4. I'm not even going to bother getting EVE or Legion when I get a new PC. Instead, I'll just play Star Citizen. It looks a lot better than EVE and it looks like they know what they are doing better than CCP. Again, Star Citizen and Eve are not to be compared. Even the developer of SC confirmed that SC is not competing with Eve at all. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role This. Stop thinking about it in terms of how you can get a leg up on new players with gear etc, I think some sort of legacy tiers based on time invested would be great. When I made the jump from ffxiv to a realm reborn, legacy players got useful and cosmetic (but not overpowered) items to signify our commitment and investment in staying with an originally flawed and dying game. Something like that would be excellent here. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Asha Starwind 876	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:07:00 - [45] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. I'd rather that not be the case, that garbage needs to be left behind with dust. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
ZEPZR Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:16:00 - [46] - Quote What about those of us who have not spent any money on boosters or packs or aurum? Will my 24 mil SP, that I spent countless hours working for, not transfer over because I didn't pay for anything? Do our voices even matter?
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3227	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:18:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. Well that was fun
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1038	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:19:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. So you guys spent 6-ish months working on a prototype, but no one has had a meeting about what to do about Dust players assets? slow clap Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 171	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:21:00 - [49] - Quote ZEPZR wrote: What about those of us who have not spent any money on boosters or packs or aurum? Will my 24 mil SP, that I spent countless hours working for, not transfer over because I didn't pay for anything? Do our voices even matter? You should probably know the answer to this question by now.
Foo Fighting Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 67	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:21:00 - [50] - Quote It's clear from the reveal and initial discussions that they never intended to carry across our "footprints" and they are now desperately making policy on the hoof to try to calm down the playerbase. It's this weak management of their business that got us where weare today with the monthly nerf buff cycle. Either have a vision and drive it through regardless or take the democratic route and work with the playerbase all the way - swaying with the breeze is the biggest problem CCP face.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8300	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:24:00 - [51] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. I would be very much ok to have my BPOs be converted to a cosmetic item in this case. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 954	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:26:00 - [52] - Quote From the DUST 514 Progression presentation, "we're getting rid of levels. No more 1 - 5." Sounds like that's making DUST less like EVE. Why not make it more like EVE? Especially when we'll have this 'consciousness' thing and supposedly jump our character's mind back and forth between a capsuleer, mercenary, and valkyrie pilot? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Dalmont Legrand 400	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:31:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. Improving SP matchmaking will separate those new players from highly skilled players which will unable us all to play against newbies, even so, new players appear each day in Dust, having them in Legion when we are there as well won't make it different. So we need to make that fringe that separates PC players new to product and us. mostly "protostompers" and ratio-losers that will create hell for those newbies and they will leave the game, basically we need to transfer all players but not spook new ones. Of course we can make somewhat an agreement inside community which consists of not pressing down new players as most of big-boys do, considering size of their manhood feeling it bigger as they press a "noob". XO XO The best is yet to come CPM1 Fabulous Candidate
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 689	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:33:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Are you willing to buy me a gaming PC? I didn't think so.
LittleCuteBunny 521	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:38:00 - [55] - Quote I love how they keep adding more lies to their lie can :) Graveyard 514
Gregor stormwalker Seraphim Auxiliaries 85	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:42:00 - [56] - Quote Thanks for the reassurance, I would personally like the word applicable in the statement to be changed to comparable, just a small change but I feel it would be even more reassuring. I under stand that you can't say that their will be a 1 to 1 transfer of SP value as the SP system has to be finalized yet but if a dust player has taken 2 years to build up there SP they should get 2 years worth of legion SP As for being worried about day 1 "Proto stomping" if I under your proposed Item meta level match making system this should not be a problem unless the new players want to try and jump right into low/null sec game-play which they should not anyway. power gap is something that's going to have to be handled anyway as once legion has been online for 2 year new players are still going to experience it so way not just make sure the systems are in places from the start and fine tune them using us.
Meknow Intaki 275	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:44:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Blow it out your butt CCP worm!!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1538	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:55:00 - [58] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid Activision and EA don't BS their players with talk of 10 year road maps. If you spend $60-100 on a CoD or BF game you know at least what you are paying for, a year's worth of play at the most. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 492	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:03:00 - [59] - Quote anyone who thinks anything from dust will actually carry over when its go time, is a fuking fool and needs to be bent over again by these people.
excillon BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 383	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:05:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I hope legion fails, ccp goes bankrupt and you end up scrubbing toilets. You're nothing more thsn a thief and a liar like your coworkers. The lot of you are nothing more than survived abortions whos fathers should have just left on the sheets and spared us all the displeasure of dealing with you.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4276	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:20:00 - [61] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value? Sure, why the f*ck not?
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 36	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:25:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. This is an universe that is permanent and is pretended to have a huge lifespam. so, honestly, i cant see why a small percentage of the overall players having tons of SP will have impact on the game. Just look at eve, there are ppl with 200M SP and ppl with 1M SP... and they all can be usefull at the battlefield.
Davy Headhunter Pradox One Proficiency V. 36	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:35:00 - [63] - Quote I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, BPO, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR, and every BPO are refunded based on their AUR values on the time of purchase (i bet u guys have a database to do that). And make it so players can move/donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, legion or even valkyrie.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4278	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:47:00 - [64] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Leave and go where? Sure, why the f*ck not?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3019	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:48:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. Lol you think about balance NOW? Give me a break i deserved to stomp the players into the ground with the time i spend on this. And the simplest transition would be to just copy the chars and their SP stright to Legion. Ya know basically a free respec cause the game is beeing build up from the ground. Even though not even you will prevent people to miss use suits. Like putting a rail rifle on a heavy.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 148	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:59:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Time is also an investment, the most important i'll say. I cap every week and have spent so much time playing Dust, i care more about that than the dollars i invested. I really wish you can transfer all our SP and make skills and tiers balanced enough so it won't be such a huge advantage. But then again, think of new players in Legion as new players joining Dust after it moved to PC. You expect to retain the community, right? Why don't we deserve such an advantage after all the effort?
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1518	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:12:00 - [67] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value? what i have is unlimited suits few others have. in legion they would still be rare and unique and unlimited . why wouldn't they. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
emtbraincase Falconpunch Hatesurfers 131	Posted - 2014.05.04 16:39:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. To me that says one thing, "Thank you for buying the lies we fed the community about Dust players being people we cared about and allowing us to spend the hard earned money you spent on Dust so that we could use it to design a new game that you won't be able to play or ever get any use out of. Next time you do business with us here at CCP, I highly recommend you self-lube first, as it is not our responsibility to minimize the friction you WILL experience as we improve (y)our in-game experience."
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 613	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:06:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. I'd be fine with some ego bling. Suits and gear that only Dust Vets can wear. Purely aesthetic differences and tiered, combat badges and the like. Plus a little AUR to buy new stuff. Transferring the protostomping dynamics is obviously a way to break a game. Don't underestimate bragging rights as incentive. Personally it isn"t that motivating to me but look at what people will do for a trophy. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 613	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:18:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. I'd be fine with some ego bling. Suits and gear that only Dust Vets can wear. Purely aesthetic differences and tiered, combat badges and the like. Plus a little AUR to buy new stuff. Transferring the protostomping dynamics is obviously a way to break a game. Don't underestimate bragging rights as incentive. Personally it isn"t that motivating to me but look at what people will do for a trophy. Because, that's why.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4283	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:30:00 - [71] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value? what i have is unlimited suits few others have. in legion they would still be rare and unique and unlimited . why wouldn't they. It would take away the primary appeal of the suits genius. The primary price setter of these items is their permanence. I don't even know why I'm trying to explain this to you. It's painfully clear. Sure, why the f*ck not?
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 13979	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:36:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Wouldn't, by the very nature of having an entirely new game with new skill systems and skill effects, we be up for a "Respec"? You wouldn't try to half ass translate our skill investments, would you? Wouldn't you just refund the translated total, and allow us to make our own decisions? This isn't exactly a minor patch or a slight jumbling around of things. LONG LIVE LEGION!
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 101	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:39:00 - [73] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. They are not going to make a new game, a game that was described as fresh start and new evolution and not progression. So why start a brand new game and give a 40-50m SP advantage to 5% of them. Those PC pricks will QQ until project legion fails. They are going to give that kind of advantage, all they want is to get your player name and info transferred to legion so you feel an emotional connection to your legion char now. They want you to be emotionally connected and feel that legion is your mercs new home, figure it out. This is what they keep saying at fan fest, this is their goal. Emotional connection to a game. Now, its reasonable to assume CCP will not transfer SP because that will mean people won't be spending money to get boosters and it will mean these people can take advantage of a tier-cide system because they will be able to run whatever they want and won't need to slowly progress through the tree as desired. Slow progression also encourages boosters and AUR equipment purchases. Money talks.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5155	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:40:00 - [74] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Their solution is to have an event to encourage you to spend money days before they announce that dust is dead. Your not getting your "investment" back, CCP dont give a ****, they have your money and have probs used it on an underage thai boy. I'm somewhat sad that some people think that posts like this are representative of us as a community. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 24	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:40:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. These "monsters" are people who invested a lot of time and money into the game. These "monsters" are organized and are playing the game the way it's supposed to be played. I'm not a "monster", but I can kill one if they were by themselves. What makes them "monsters" is the fact that they are organized into teams. The overwhelming concern over these "monsters" is not the advantage that they individually have, but rather the crappy match making system that puts unskilled players against these well organize and fortified teams. Anything short of a 1:1 transfer of SP gain in time, where the time to gain such experience in Legion is equal to that of Dust, is a stab in the back. I'm happy to play the new game on Mac/PC. But I'm not going to be happy unless the 10-11 million SP that I've gained over the past 6-8 months is transferred as 6-8 months of work. Why does the SP system even need to change? The real problem is the match making system. Instead of trying to make that better/smarter, why don't you just get rid of it? Instead of "randomly" pitting players against each other, allow players to choose what battles / who they want to fight before they engage in them. Players will learn quickly who not to fight, allowing bigger players to take on each other rather than stomping newer players. Newer players will gravitate towards newer players. Either way newer players will make alliances among themselves or join existing ones and become better players. That is more "EVE like".
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 101	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:41:00 - [76] - Quote Legion is the same game, same classes, same weapons, same equipment same everything, There is no reason not to reward dust players outside of legion community anger, providing unfair advantages compared to non-dust playing EVE members, the money they will lose... Oh yea it's only about the money, well thats the answer, there you go.
Orclev Nori RisingSuns Dark Taboo 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:44:00 - [77] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. Thank goodness for this. I am a little surprised at that sort of reaction (well maybe not). Proto's should be allowed in pubs like capital ships are allowed to camp newbie stations in EVE (pro tip: they are not). I have 20+ million SP and a huge stash of isk and proto fits and I can even see the logic in this. Basic gear FTW. If i wanted to win all the time I'd play gumball machines. Please don't bring back KD whoring, it might be best not to even record it lol. Maybe an isk destroyed to lost ratio at best.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5155	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:47:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. On the topic of the progression system, are we going to be allowed to offer feedback on that aspect as well? I don't think I'm alone in questioning the merits of a progression system designed to severely restrict the options of new players as a "solution" to new players being "confused" when they get in the game. Why did the EVE team spend their New Player Experience presentation talking about better ways to educate players on the complexity of EVE without removing that complexity while the Dust team plans to quite literally "dumb down the game" rather than try and teach anything? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 101	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:48:00 - [79] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 700	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:49:00 - [80] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. This is how it probably and hopefully will be. I'd rather just have them headshot this community and start with a new one, than keep this community at the expense of lots of newcomer potential lost to veteran advantage for a few. On the other hand, EVE sandbox lives largely by it's longevity and how your choices matter. Resets really hurt the integrity of this sandbox vision. Just somethign to consider and balance.

DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 13979	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:51:00 - [81] - Quote Cotsy wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. I like how you choose to continuously ignore blue posts that say exactly the opposite. You can have players with 14 hundred trillion SP and it will be fine, so long as the players have places to go where those players cannot. We get it, you're upset, but running around saying things that don't line up with facts just makes you sound like a foolish drama queen. LONG LIVE LEGION!
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3237	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:53:00 - [82] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. I would be very much ok to have my BPOs be converted to a cosmetic item in this case. Yes mate, love my sver logi bpos skin. I will think it the least they could do and although a pain in the arse, its not hard to do. I'm literally waiting for a drum and bass rave with a star wars fancy dress theme right now lol. Going as Vader, favourite ******** and totally misunderstood, really good costume. Well that was fun
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.05.04 17:54:00 - [83] - Quote Cotsy wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. You know what is funny, that is the only chance they have of me sticking around. Give me my 40 mil sp, my 500 mil isk, my 2k protosuits worth of stuff. Otherwise loose a customer for life, because I will not in any way shape or form continue giving business to someone who essentially robbed from me. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 557	Posted - 2014.05.04 18:04:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. shouldnt you guys at ccp thought of this before you told us about legion and maby ,just maby finished up all the racial content for dust and at least half ass finished a project befor moving on to one that is going to expand on the current unfinished project. dust is only 6-8% of what you guys promised, couldnt you have just tried to get to about 30-45% before starting another project that may not get finished????
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 353	Posted - 2014.05.04 18:11:00 - [85] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Now that's just being honest but I just believe that many just don't care and have gotten over the initial shock . + 1 for your truthfulness . There's a 10-year disparity between me and most of the EVE playerbase and I've never complained about it. They'll be fine. If not we can tell them to HTFU. Chillin, waitin on Legion. ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Raz Sidona 0n The Brink 79	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 - [86] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Our investments will mean nothing if its not on PS4 at the same time its released for PC. We are a console gaming community so 90% of us do not have and will not buy a pc capable of playing your game. I will not drop $700+ and the subscription fee that is obviously going to be implemented for a single game. It must be released on PS4 and PC together if you have any hopes of keeping this community and carrying over our investments like you are claiming you want. CCP Logibro you must get made clear to the higher ups that PS4 is a must have on its initial release.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2166	Posted - 2014.05.04 23:41:00 - [87] - Quote "Our investments will mean nothing if its not on PS4 at the same time its released for PC" It could very well be released at the same time if they're using Unreal 4, as I think I've heard. The PS4 is basically a PC in a console shell. That should mean that if they build something for PC, they should be able to push the same build onto a PS4 as long as they made the UI controller friendly. I think this PC version is basically Legion's version of the Dust 514 closed beta...it's the testbed for iterating through all kinds of potentially terrible ideas until they find something that works. Then once it's actually in a good enough state for PSN to accept it...bam, off it goes to PS4.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 17	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:32:00 - [88] - Quote CCP has already stated in another thread that there will be no decision made on a PS4 version until the PC version is up and running. They'll probably port it right before the PS5 launch. Tbh - I think "no PS4" is a good thing. CCP wants everyone on the same servers, so you would end up with mouse/keyboard gamers on PC vs. game pad gamers on PS4. In addition, Sony will probably insist that the game talks to their servers somehow, which would introduce another layer of (potential) lag on the PS4 side. Plus all kinds of annoying delays on the PC while they were waiting for Sony Q&A to approve the latest patch for PS4. The only good way to do it would be to split the servers, and that's not going to happen.
Raedon Vo-Graza Armored Dragon Corp 8	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:39:00 - [89] - Quote I understand that legion will probably be the next step and what not, but can we please see dust finished at some point? the things most people are asking are not too hard to implement with some good thought, bring back the pulled tanks and lav's, bring in mav's, get the heavy weapons all done, get the all the air vehicles done, get some new and interesting maps in, get some new modules in for the different classes now that scouts have the cloak, get some form of pve...this is not too hard to do, i use udk for map making and weapons modding in ut3 so IGÇÖm very familiar with the program. If you actually put your mind to it can get done. Once dust is fleshed out then legion can take off, but there are plenty of gamers that would rather stay on console then move to a pc. leaving something half done leaves a bad reputation in my eyes
Cinnamon267 194	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:39:00 - [90] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Cotsy wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. You know what is funny, that is the only chance they have of me sticking around. Give me my 40 mil sp, my 500 mil isk, my 2k protosuits worth of stuff. Otherwise loose a customer for life, because I will not in any way shape or form continue giving business to someone who essentially robbed from me. Then it looks like you may be going. Because it makes no sense to give you everything right off the bat. The games biggest problem, right now, is the NPE. Giving you all of that, still provides too big on an NPE problem. Especially on day 1. You're dreaming if you think you'll have all of that. It would be irresponsible to give you all that. You might get some money and the suits. But, the SP you won't. Unlikely that system will even exist in Legion. They would be wise to do something completely different and ditch the current poor system. Dr Dammit wrote: In addition, Sony will probably insist that the game talks to their servers somehow, Don't see why that would happen. They circumvent Sony now I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do s in the future if they wanted to on PS4. Not much has changed in that respect.

grunt party Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 68	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:04:00 - [91] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. im not so sure it would be that hard to transfer skills all that u would need to do is find some skills u transfer over see the conversion rate and push our sp numbers trough a simple converter to get the new number


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