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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:38:00 - [31] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? actually BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:39:00 - [32] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:40:00 - [33] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." I guess it will depend on how Dust's BPOs will compare to the suits in Legion. If the fitting design is radically different in Legion than that of Dust, then it's likely your BPOs are useless in Legion. If they are mostly similar to each other, you might be able to keep them. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:43:00 - [34] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. Oh I see. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 73	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:45:00 - [35] - Quote If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us.
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 10	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:46:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Their solution is to have an event to encourage you to spend money days before they announce that dust is dead. Your not getting your "investment" back, CCP dont give a ****, they have your money and have probs used it on an underage thai boy.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1552	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:49:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Fair enough. Just please understand how this looks as a fan of DUST and a customer rather than just a company/employee of a company; scary and anger inducing. Thanks for reply. We are starved for information.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 169	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:50:00 - [38] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet.
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Thanks for the answers Logibro. I still don't like you after you basically spent 72 hours repeatedly spitting in our collective faces and then taking a huge dump on our chests with how massively awfully you handled the unveil. But I respect you for atleast telling us what's going on. If you get a chance, could you tell CCP Rouge to stop being such a *** after Hilmar obviously had to drag his pathetic posterior onto the stage like some ****** school child, to explain things he should have explained at the Dust (No wait Legion) keynote. This is his idea. He needs to account for it. Thanks.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1048	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [40] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid Everyone knows there's a new COD every year. CCP said that Dust would last ten years. CCP, it's coming to something when your customers consider Activision more trustworthy than you.

Rami Hamilo Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 73	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [41] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet. Probably. Before this announcement, I was considering getting an EVE account. But, probably not, anymore. I'm going to get a PS4 and Destiny and not even bother with Valkyrie or Dust when they bring the dead game to the PS4. I'm not even going to bother getting EVE or Legion when I get a new PC. Instead, I'll just play Star Citizen. It looks a lot better than EVE and it looks like they know what they are doing better than CCP.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 - [42] - Quote Thanks for the straight up answers logibro :) In some ways transferring dust players progression over will be a good, err, reminder(!) of how important the NPE, match making and the balance between max and min skill levels in different areas of the game are. I think if you do a good job with the balance, the power curve and the NPE then dust players having some advantage over fresh players wont matter, and more importantly new players joining a year after launch will not be stomped by a horrid experience either. Its worth noting that even with no SP transfer, dust vets will still have a big advantage due to understanding a lot of core mechanics. I do think the sooner you can give some idea how SP transfer will work the better, I for one wont be playing dust or buying boosters for now. If you can tell me that SP I earn from now until legion will be a tangible investment that will pay of in legion, then I'll happy get some boosters and leap out the nearest MCC :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:57:00 - [43] - Quote Rami Hamilo wrote: Mojo XXXIII wrote: Rami Hamilo wrote: If i go to Legion, I want something worthwhile for dumping so much money into this game that you so suddenly killed. You better give us veteran players a massive SP boost and some pretty unique items that will actually help us. A cape with the number "1" on it, and "SUCKER" tattooed across the forehead of ever one of your clones, so everyone will know that you're a Dust vet. Probably. Before this announcement, I was considering getting an EVE account. But, probably not, anymore. I'm going to get a PS4 and Destiny and not even bother with Valkyrie or Dust when they bring the dead game to the PS4. I'm not even going to bother getting EVE or Legion when I get a new PC. Instead, I'll just play Star Citizen. It looks a lot better than EVE and it looks like they know what they are doing better than CCP. Again, Star Citizen and Eve are not to be compared. Even the developer of SC confirmed that SC is not competing with Eve at all. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:58:00 - [44] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role This. Stop thinking about it in terms of how you can get a leg up on new players with gear etc, I think some sort of legacy tiers based on time invested would be great. When I made the jump from ffxiv to a realm reborn, legacy players got useful and cosmetic (but not overpowered) items to signify our commitment and investment in staying with an originally flawed and dying game. Something like that would be excellent here. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Asha Starwind 876	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:07:00 - [45] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. I'd rather that not be the case, that garbage needs to be left behind with dust. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
ZEPZR Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:16:00 - [46] - Quote What about those of us who have not spent any money on boosters or packs or aurum? Will my 24 mil SP, that I spent countless hours working for, not transfer over because I didn't pay for anything? Do our voices even matter?
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3227	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:18:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. Well that was fun
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1038	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:19:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. So you guys spent 6-ish months working on a prototype, but no one has had a meeting about what to do about Dust players assets? slow clap Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 171	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:21:00 - [49] - Quote ZEPZR wrote: What about those of us who have not spent any money on boosters or packs or aurum? Will my 24 mil SP, that I spent countless hours working for, not transfer over because I didn't pay for anything? Do our voices even matter? You should probably know the answer to this question by now.
Foo Fighting Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 67	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:21:00 - [50] - Quote It's clear from the reveal and initial discussions that they never intended to carry across our "footprints" and they are now desperately making policy on the hoof to try to calm down the playerbase. It's this weak management of their business that got us where weare today with the monthly nerf buff cycle. Either have a vision and drive it through regardless or take the democratic route and work with the playerbase all the way - swaying with the breeze is the biggest problem CCP face.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8300	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:24:00 - [51] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. I would be very much ok to have my BPOs be converted to a cosmetic item in this case. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 954	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:26:00 - [52] - Quote From the DUST 514 Progression presentation, "we're getting rid of levels. No more 1 - 5." Sounds like that's making DUST less like EVE. Why not make it more like EVE? Especially when we'll have this 'consciousness' thing and supposedly jump our character's mind back and forth between a capsuleer, mercenary, and valkyrie pilot? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Dalmont Legrand 400	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:31:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. Improving SP matchmaking will separate those new players from highly skilled players which will unable us all to play against newbies, even so, new players appear each day in Dust, having them in Legion when we are there as well won't make it different. So we need to make that fringe that separates PC players new to product and us. mostly "protostompers" and ratio-losers that will create hell for those newbies and they will leave the game, basically we need to transfer all players but not spook new ones. Of course we can make somewhat an agreement inside community which consists of not pressing down new players as most of big-boys do, considering size of their manhood feeling it bigger as they press a "noob". XO XO The best is yet to come CPM1 Fabulous Candidate
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 689	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:33:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Are you willing to buy me a gaming PC? I didn't think so.
LittleCuteBunny 521	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:38:00 - [55] - Quote I love how they keep adding more lies to their lie can :) Graveyard 514
Gregor stormwalker Seraphim Auxiliaries 85	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:42:00 - [56] - Quote Thanks for the reassurance, I would personally like the word applicable in the statement to be changed to comparable, just a small change but I feel it would be even more reassuring. I under stand that you can't say that their will be a 1 to 1 transfer of SP value as the SP system has to be finalized yet but if a dust player has taken 2 years to build up there SP they should get 2 years worth of legion SP As for being worried about day 1 "Proto stomping" if I under your proposed Item meta level match making system this should not be a problem unless the new players want to try and jump right into low/null sec game-play which they should not anyway. power gap is something that's going to have to be handled anyway as once legion has been online for 2 year new players are still going to experience it so way not just make sure the systems are in places from the start and fine tune them using us.
Meknow Intaki 275	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:44:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Blow it out your butt CCP worm!!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1538	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:55:00 - [58] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. COD,BF do this every year and no one batters an eyelid Activision and EA don't BS their players with talk of 10 year road maps. If you spend $60-100 on a CoD or BF game you know at least what you are paying for, a year's worth of play at the most. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 492	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:03:00 - [59] - Quote anyone who thinks anything from dust will actually carry over when its go time, is a fuking fool and needs to be bent over again by these people.
excillon BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 383	Posted - 2014.05.04 15:05:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I hope legion fails, ccp goes bankrupt and you end up scrubbing toilets. You're nothing more thsn a thief and a liar like your coworkers. The lot of you are nothing more than survived abortions whos fathers should have just left on the sheets and spared us all the displeasure of dealing with you.



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