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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4276
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:20:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:
It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too.
Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion?
i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue.
If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value?
Sure, why the f*ck not?
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Davy Headhunter
Pradox One Proficiency V.
36
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:25:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible.
This is an universe that is permanent and is pretended to have a huge lifespam. so, honestly, i cant see why a small percentage of the overall players having tons of SP will have impact on the game. Just look at eve, there are ppl with 200M SP and ppl with 1M SP... and they all can be usefull at the battlefield. |
Davy Headhunter
Pradox One Proficiency V.
36
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:35:00 -
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I think that thes best approach would be find a formula that would convert the account (SP, ISK, ITEMS, TIME, BPO, everyting) into AUR, and then move the AUR to the new game. Something like every SP worth X AUR, every ISK worth Y AUR, and every BPO are refunded based on their AUR values on the time of purchase (i bet u guys have a database to do that). And make it so players can move/donate it to XXX caracter, both on eve, legion or even valkyrie. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4278
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:47:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Leave and go where?
Sure, why the f*ck not?
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3019
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:48:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. Lol you think about balance NOW? Give me a break i deserved to stomp the players into the ground with the time i spend on this. And the simplest transition would be to just copy the chars and their SP stright to Legion. Ya know basically a free respec cause the game is beeing build up from the ground. Even though not even you will prevent people to miss use suits. Like putting a rail rifle on a heavy. |
JP Acuna
Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives
148
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:59:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do.
Time is also an investment, the most important i'll say. I cap every week and have spent so much time playing Dust, i care more about that than the dollars i invested.
I really wish you can transfer all our SP and make skills and tiers balanced enough so it won't be such a huge advantage. But then again, think of new players in Legion as new players joining Dust after it moved to PC. You expect to retain the community, right? Why don't we deserve such an advantage after all the effort? |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
1518
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:12:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:
It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too.
Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion?
i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value?
what i have is unlimited suits few others have. in legion they would still be rare and unique and unlimited . why wouldn't they.
I will logi the s* out of you
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
131
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:39:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion.
What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. To me that says one thing, "Thank you for buying the lies we fed the community about Dust players being people we cared about and allowing us to spend the hard earned money you spent on Dust so that we could use it to design a new game that you won't be able to play or ever get any use out of. Next time you do business with us here at CCP, I highly recommend you self-lube first, as it is not our responsibility to minimize the friction you WILL experience as we improve (y)our in-game experience." |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
613
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:06:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible.
I'd be fine with some ego bling. Suits and gear that only Dust Vets can wear. Purely aesthetic differences and tiered, combat badges and the like. Plus a little AUR to buy new stuff. Transferring the protostomping dynamics is obviously a way to break a game.
Don't underestimate bragging rights as incentive. Personally it isn"t that motivating to me but look at what people will do for a trophy.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
613
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:18:00 -
[70] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible.
I'd be fine with some ego bling. Suits and gear that only Dust Vets can wear. Purely aesthetic differences and tiered, combat badges and the like. Plus a little AUR to buy new stuff. Transferring the protostomping dynamics is obviously a way to break a game.
Don't underestimate bragging rights as incentive. Personally it isn"t that motivating to me but look at what people will do for a trophy.
Because, that's why.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4283
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:30:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:
It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too.
Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion?
i would think BPOs will be pretty much safe especially the suits as they are just cosmetic in legion as the suits are free anyway. and with salvage who knows how the other bpos might get used. so we may have options there too. its way to early to be stirring up the bpo crowd. i talked to logibro about this on the pub crawl this early on it appears to just be a cosmetic issue. If the suits are free that destroys BPOs, it doesn't protect them. How does turning something unique & rare into the norm protect its value? what i have is unlimited suits few others have. in legion they would still be rare and unique and unlimited . why wouldn't they.
It would take away the primary appeal of the suits genius.
The primary price setter of these items is their permanence.
I don't even know why I'm trying to explain this to you. It's painfully clear.
Sure, why the f*ck not?
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13979
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Wouldn't, by the very nature of having an entirely new game with new skill systems and skill effects, we be up for a "Respec"? You wouldn't try to half ass translate our skill investments, would you? Wouldn't you just refund the translated total, and allow us to make our own decisions?
This isn't exactly a minor patch or a slight jumbling around of things.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
101
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:39:00 -
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Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
They are not going to make a new game, a game that was described as fresh start and new evolution and not progression. So why start a brand new game and give a 40-50m SP advantage to 5% of them.
Those PC pricks will QQ until project legion fails. They are going to give that kind of advantage, all they want is to get your player name and info transferred to legion so you feel an emotional connection to your legion char now.
They want you to be emotionally connected and feel that legion is your mercs new home, figure it out. This is what they keep saying at fan fest, this is their goal. Emotional connection to a game.
Now, its reasonable to assume CCP will not transfer SP because that will mean people won't be spending money to get boosters and it will mean these people can take advantage of a tier-cide system because they will be able to run whatever they want and won't need to slowly progress through the tree as desired. Slow progression also encourages boosters and AUR equipment purchases. Money talks.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
5155
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:40:00 -
[74] - Quote
Choose Your Fighter wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion.
What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. Their solution is to have an event to encourage you to spend money days before they announce that dust is dead. Your not getting your "investment" back, CCP dont give a ****, they have your money and have probs used it on an underage thai boy. I'm somewhat sad that some people think that posts like this are representative of us as a community.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Cyrus Militani
Leon Conglomerate
24
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:40:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible.
These "monsters" are people who invested a lot of time and money into the game. These "monsters" are organized and are playing the game the way it's supposed to be played. I'm not a "monster", but I can kill one if they were by themselves. What makes them "monsters" is the fact that they are organized into teams. The overwhelming concern over these "monsters" is not the advantage that they individually have, but rather the crappy match making system that puts unskilled players against these well organize and fortified teams.
Anything short of a 1:1 transfer of SP gain in time, where the time to gain such experience in Legion is equal to that of Dust, is a stab in the back. I'm happy to play the new game on Mac/PC. But I'm not going to be happy unless the 10-11 million SP that I've gained over the past 6-8 months is transferred as 6-8 months of work.
Why does the SP system even need to change? The real problem is the match making system. Instead of trying to make that better/smarter, why don't you just get rid of it? Instead of "randomly" pitting players against each other, allow players to choose what battles / who they want to fight before they engage in them. Players will learn quickly who not to fight, allowing bigger players to take on each other rather than stomping newer players. Newer players will gravitate towards newer players. Either way newer players will make alliances among themselves or join existing ones and become better players. That is more "EVE like". |
Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
101
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:41:00 -
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Legion is the same game, same classes, same weapons, same equipment same everything,
There is no reason not to reward dust players outside of legion community anger, providing unfair advantages compared to non-dust playing EVE members, the money they will lose... Oh yea it's only about the money, well thats the answer, there you go. |
Orclev Nori
RisingSuns Dark Taboo
2
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:44:00 -
[77] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible.
Thank goodness for this. I am a little surprised at that sort of reaction (well maybe not). Proto's should be allowed in pubs like capital ships are allowed to camp newbie stations in EVE (pro tip: they are not). I have 20+ million SP and a huge stash of isk and proto fits and I can even see the logic in this. Basic gear FTW. If i wanted to win all the time I'd play gumball machines. Please don't bring back KD whoring, it might be best not to even record it lol. Maybe an isk destroyed to lost ratio at best. |
Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
5155
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:47:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. On the topic of the progression system, are we going to be allowed to offer feedback on that aspect as well?
I don't think I'm alone in questioning the merits of a progression system designed to severely restrict the options of new players as a "solution" to new players being "confused" when they get in the game.
Why did the EVE team spend their New Player Experience presentation talking about better ways to educate players on the complexity of EVE without removing that complexity while the Dust team plans to quite literally "dumb down the game" rather than try and teach anything?
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
101
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC.
They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. |
trollsroyce
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
700
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:49:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward.
In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though.
This is how it probably and hopefully will be. I'd rather just have them headshot this community and start with a new one, than keep this community at the expense of lots of newcomer potential lost to veteran advantage for a few.
On the other hand, EVE sandbox lives largely by it's longevity and how your choices matter. Resets really hurt the integrity of this sandbox vision. Just somethign to consider and balance. |
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13979
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:51:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. I like how you choose to continuously ignore blue posts that say exactly the opposite. You can have players with 14 hundred trillion SP and it will be fine, so long as the players have places to go where those players cannot.
We get it, you're upset, but running around saying things that don't line up with facts just makes you sound like a foolish drama queen.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3237
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:53:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion.
What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. I think that if we cant carry bpos over, maybe have them as skins we can pick from. Like iws said, us vets will be whispering 514 while the new mercs shout legion. I would be very much ok to have my BPOs be converted to a cosmetic item in this case.
Yes mate, love my sver logi bpos skin. I will think it the least they could do and although a pain in the arse, its not hard to do. I'm literally waiting for a drum and bass rave with a star wars fancy dress theme right now lol.
Going as Vader, favourite ******** and totally misunderstood, really good costume.
Well that was fun
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:54:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred.
You know what is funny, that is the only chance they have of me sticking around. Give me my 40 mil sp, my 500 mil isk, my 2k protosuits worth of stuff. Otherwise loose a customer for life, because I will not in any way shape or form continue giving business to someone who essentially robbed from me.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
557
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:04:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion.
What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. But we haven't come up with the solution yet as we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture.
shouldnt you guys at ccp thought of this before you told us about legion and maby ,just maby finished up all the racial content for dust and at least half ass finished a project befor moving on to one that is going to expand on the current unfinished project. dust is only 6-8% of what you guys promised, couldnt you have just tried to get to about 30-45% before starting another project that may not get finished???? |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
353
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:11:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward.
In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Now that's just being honest but I just believe that many just don't care and have gotten over the initial shock . + 1 for your truthfulness .
There's a 10-year disparity between me and most of the EVE playerbase and I've never complained about it. They'll be fine. If not we can tell them to HTFU.
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Raz Sidona
0n The Brink
79
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP Logibro wrote:
The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do.
Our investments will mean nothing if its not on PS4 at the same time its released for PC. We are a console gaming community so 90% of us do not have and will not buy a pc capable of playing your game. I will not drop $700+ and the subscription fee that is obviously going to be implemented for a single game. It must be released on PS4 and PC together if you have any hopes of keeping this community and carrying over our investments like you are claiming you want. CCP Logibro you must get made clear to the higher ups that PS4 is a must have on its initial release. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2166
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:41:00 -
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"Our investments will mean nothing if its not on PS4 at the same time its released for PC"
It could very well be released at the same time if they're using Unreal 4, as I think I've heard. The PS4 is basically a PC in a console shell. That should mean that if they build something for PC, they should be able to push the same build onto a PS4 as long as they made the UI controller friendly. I think this PC version is basically Legion's version of the Dust 514 closed beta...it's the testbed for iterating through all kinds of potentially terrible ideas until they find something that works. Then once it's actually in a good enough state for PSN to accept it...bam, off it goes to PS4. |
Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
17
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:32:00 -
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CCP has already stated in another thread that there will be no decision made on a PS4 version until the PC version is up and running. They'll probably port it right before the PS5 launch.
Tbh - I think "no PS4" is a good thing. CCP wants everyone on the same servers, so you would end up with mouse/keyboard gamers on PC vs. game pad gamers on PS4. In addition, Sony will probably insist that the game talks to their servers somehow, which would introduce another layer of (potential) lag on the PS4 side. Plus all kinds of annoying delays on the PC while they were waiting for Sony Q&A to approve the latest patch for PS4.
The only good way to do it would be to split the servers, and that's not going to happen. |
Raedon Vo-Graza
Armored Dragon Corp
8
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:39:00 -
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I understand that legion will probably be the next step and what not, but can we please see dust finished at some point? the things most people are asking are not too hard to implement with some good thought, bring back the pulled tanks and lav's, bring in mav's, get the heavy weapons all done, get the all the air vehicles done, get some new and interesting maps in, get some new modules in for the different classes now that scouts have the cloak, get some form of pve...this is not too hard to do, i use udk for map making and weapons modding in ut3 so IGÇÖm very familiar with the program. If you actually put your mind to it can get done. Once dust is fleshed out then legion can take off, but there are plenty of gamers that would rather stay on console then move to a pc. leaving something half done leaves a bad reputation in my eyes |
Cinnamon267
194
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:39:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Cotsy wrote:Poppa Smurfff wrote:CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:
''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?
If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. ''
This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.
I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Your character and account info will be transferred to legion. This is how CCP plays on your emotional connection to your character and will hope you follow your character to PC. They will not transfer SP. The game will not provide such an advantage vs new players. They will want to make money from selling boosters and AUR gear. So there's huge money problems and huge advantage problems that will mean that Skill Points won't be transferred. You know what is funny, that is the only chance they have of me sticking around. Give me my 40 mil sp, my 500 mil isk, my 2k protosuits worth of stuff. Otherwise loose a customer for life, because I will not in any way shape or form continue giving business to someone who essentially robbed from me.
Then it looks like you may be going. Because it makes no sense to give you everything right off the bat. The games biggest problem, right now, is the NPE. Giving you all of that, still provides too big on an NPE problem. Especially on day 1. You're dreaming if you think you'll have all of that. It would be irresponsible to give you all that. You might get some money and the suits. But, the SP you won't. Unlikely that system will even exist in Legion. They would be wise to do something completely different and ditch the current poor system.
Dr Dammit wrote: In addition, Sony will probably insist that the game talks to their servers somehow,
Don't see why that would happen. They circumvent Sony now I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do s in the future if they wanted to on PS4. Not much has changed in that respect. |
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