DUST Search - Will We Actually Get Our Skill Points Back?

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

Poppa Smurfff wrote:

CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question:

''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?

If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you.
''

This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion.

I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.

Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet.

The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do.

So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you.

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Poppa Smurfff The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:33:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [2] - Quote Hopefully they gut the broken skill system and revamp it completely. I'd gladly sacrifice my sp for that. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 296	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [3] - Quote You just want free respec, do you? They are trying to simplify the skill system, so it may end something different than it is now, so it's hard to say HOW it will work and be I support EVE Legion, but the message was very badly delivered...
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 279	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [4] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. i think it means if those skills havent changed you'll keep them if not you'll get SP.
Bad Heal Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 123	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:35:00 - [5] - Quote Lol good luck. I'll bet they give you 50 caldari advance assault suits
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2028	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [6] - Quote Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
PonyClause Rex Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [7] - Quote Ive screen shotted his original post, so we will now see if CCP will do a u-turn on this promise
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4270	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:36:00 - [8] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Hopefully they gut the broken skill system and revamp it completely. I'd gladly sacrifice my sp for that. Leave. Sure, why the f*ck not?
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:37:00 - [9] - Quote Leave and go where? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy What Is Dead May Never Die 1190	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:38:00 - [10] - Quote Spent too much money on fused locuses did ya? Yeah, I remember.

Poppa Smurfff The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Spent too much money on fused locuses did ya? Yeah, I remember. I think you need to re-read the post Ansiis. iv already made public I spent way too much money on this game. Anyone who is concerned about their hard earned character being transferred to Legion should be asking this same questions.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 576	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: You just want free respec, do you? They are trying to simplify the skill system, so it may end something different than it is now, so it's hard to say HOW it will work and be Well according to CCP - the dust skill tree is bad - so possibly they 'may' revamp the dust skill tree at some point? Ha ha yeah right.... And with this revamp bring the dust skill tree inline with legion.
PLAYSTTION Universal Allies Inc. 113	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:53:00 - [13] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. It means all skills that are in legion will be kept and your sp will be refunded. All the items you have that are in legion will also be kept Back to BF1943, only 4 more ranks to go till at the top! R.I.P Dust 514 90 day Aurum refund call 1-800-345-SONY

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6967	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:01:00 - [14] - Quote Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1043	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:07:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 709	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:14:00 - [16] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Your assumption is most likely correct. It's highly unlikely that they will let players get a headstart, and especially a headstart over their beloved EVE players. This FF has if nothing else showed they only care about their EVE players going forward. In the meantime Rouge will likely say a lot of things to try and calm down the Dust players, most of this should not be believed though. Now that's just being honest but I just believe that many just don't care and have gotten over the initial shock . + 1 for your truthfulness . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 172	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:16:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: [quote=Poppa Smurfff]CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do.[/quote Character name is almost as imortaint as my investment, but I think this is already covered, right?
Hecarim Van Hohen 1326	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:16:00 - [18] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. If SP still exists in the same form in EVE:Legion as it does in Dust 514 and all of the skills transfer into the new system in EVE:Legion yes, you could potentially "proto stomp" State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6975	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:21:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. So can you confirm that on day 1 I will be able to pubstomp 500,000SP PC guys with my 40 million+ SP and stash of protosuits and officer weapons? Cos if not you're not really carrying over my investment are you. This is absolutely true. We are aware that if we drop people into the game with what they have now, they'll have a very large advantage. But at the same time, we're looking to do a bit better in flattening out the power tiers so that someone without the actual player skill (as opposed to character skill) isn't going to be able to use character skills and equipment to win a fight. But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 248	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:22:00 - [20] - Quote I'll be happy with only my sp, dren, lav and templar bpo gear move over with other assortments of bpos as well. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1516	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:26:00 - [21] - Quote i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8299	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It should be easy to just give us back our lifetime SP and let us apply the newly-unallocated SP to skills available in Legion. After all, a lot of us invested in boosters to get those SP which involved cash. As for the transfer of our characters, it should be easy for those of us who have Eve accounts to be able to get our Dust characters into Legion if both Dust and Eve accounts happen to share the same email address. Of course you will have to talk to Sony to see how both companies can make this work since Sony has a strict policy regarding personal information. It should be ok for Sony since all you're asking is for Sony to allow in-game character stats (nothing to do with personally identifiable information like credit card numbers or home addresses) to be ported over to Legion. Just ask us to open a petition to request the transfer when the time comes so we can give you our email address. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1433	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:28:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I highly doubt if I were to play my 2+ years of commitment to Dust would be reflected. I like you a lot Logibro, but I cannot help but doubt this. If I am proven wrong however, I will publicly apologize. I still wont play Legion, but I will apologize. Good luck. We are the 514, and we will not forget RIP Dust
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1034	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:29:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It looks like you are trying to get people to continue to pay and play a game that your studio has given up on. Playing on their hopes and their emotional connection to the time they spent and trying to still make green after you borked them is low. It seems like you guys really should have taken a PR class before Fanfest. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1551	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:29:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. Logibro, thank you for coming to the forums. The last few days of silence has been quite terrifying given the change. Applicable skills is quite scary. Let's say I have 33 million SP, that high because of constant boosters and time investment despite having taken breaks from the game. I have lots of millions in Core Skills; more PG, CPU, faster running, better radar. If those are not applicable skill points, I basically lost all that investment because I chose the wrong skills to put points into. I understand that all of this is really early but, well, the genie is out of the bottle and we only have questions now. I almost think that bringing up Legion when it is a year away and may even be canceled was a bad idea, though the flip side of not telling us that a huge shake up is coming is just as bad.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4272	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:30:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Poppa Smurfff wrote: CCP Rouge's answer is very vague about this question: ''1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff? If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. '' This to me sounds like it doesn't include all accumulated SP. But rather sounds like they will butcher the current skill system and take only the skills they want to Legion. I don't want skills, I want my skill points! Which is what I worked hard for and spent money on. Skill points is more likely that just bringing over skills that exist in both. However, exactly how they would translate from DUST 514 to Legion is yet to be seen. Main thing we're waiting on for that is for the new progression system to be completed: it's a bit hard to work out how we could move things from one system to the other when the new one isn't finished yet. The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. It's a convenient way of destroying all the BPOs we bought with real money too. Is the transfer of progression going to be proportionate? Or are you just going to give all the Dust refugees a blanket bonus when they join Legion? Sure, why the f*ck not?
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 292	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:32:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The best way to look at it overall though is we want to carry over the investment you guys have made in DUST 514 into Legion. When you think about it in that context, even if things don't translate exactly you can see what we want to do. I am very glad to see you say this. I was worried about CCP RougeGÇÖs choice of the word GÇÿapplicableGÇÖ, and made the same point on dust514.info as you say here. And the same goes for assets GÇö carry over the investment (since legion, I assume, will for the most part not have bopGÇÖs as we know them). CCP Logibro wrote: But it's still a question we need to answer, and we're well aware of the need to balance carrying over the investment versus creating overpowered monsters at launch. As I said hopefully having a better overall balance will let us give as much as possible. This disparity of 500k vs 40mil SP players is something that will turn up anyway, even if release started with everyone at 0, since presumably we want new players to continually arrive. So the power disparity needs to be planned for regardless.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1551	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:33:00 - [28] - Quote I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it."
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4272	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:34:00 - [29] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i say give us other stuff to show our investment and then ditch all sp earned. a fresh start is what we need. i couldn't care less about my 25-30mil sp or how much i have lost in aur gear and boosters. i have had my moneys worth regardless. that or everyone has 1 pretty much decked out role already so why not let them start off legion with a full spec'd role People spent their time and money on that progress. And they did so under the impression that the game had a long life ahead of it. Taking it away would be the nail in the coffin for almost everyone. Sure, why the f*ck not?

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6976	Posted - 2014.05.04 13:37:00 - [30] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I have over 200 dollars in BPO suits (Dren Pack, Mercenary packs, Raven/Sever). I am sure there isn't an exact answer because everything is still so new but I know that it was mentioned that suits are BPO's in Legion. What is going to happen to my investment? Please tell me CCP is at least aware of this concern and "we have our top men working on it." We're well aware of it. My magic crystal ball guess though (and in no way shape or form take this as confirmation, it's purely a guess on my part) is likely that they could be unique cosmetics, as well as indicators of your heritage and legacy from DUST. But this hasn't been decided yet, and we need to assemble a few more pieces on the puzzle before we can start looking at that part of the picture. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)




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