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Kev Crow
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.03 04:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
I played and stayed for the persistence and the tie to EVE.
Sure most people did and some even stopped playing DUST, because it was so disappointing, and started playing EVE hoping something new will develop in the meantime... The ugly fact is that CCP as a business feels they have failed their goals with this platform, and many players agree. There isn't an easy way to salvage this, if they continue pushing with PS3 they will never even get off the ground. As far as AUR is concerned, it depends how you look at it. You cannot say you have not benefited from it at all and it is only about the hypothetical fun you will have in the future.
CCP is very erratic, thats a fact, but if people talk to them instead of only raging they will find a way salvage what has been earned by your effort and money. Isn't that in their best interest? Besides do you know already when is the LEGION launch date? What if it is in two years? What kind of promises can they make for something that may happen in two years? |
Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
129
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Posted - 2014.05.03 11:58:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:I own a PS3 for gaming. I spend all day at work on a computer, and have no need for one at home.
You don't know **** about my priorities. ^ I'm fighting the urge to troll this one. It's difficult because this person has made it so bloody easy with so many choices in so few words. Must resist making fun of them. Oh who the hell am I kidding. I am going to make fun of you. Claims to not want to deal with computers after working with them all day, so he buy a computer under the label game console... You picked a computer with very limited functionality that gets outdated every few years and must be completely replaced so the manufacturer can cash in on their fan boy/girls. Yes, the computer you chose was a game console! Implications that this person uses company computer for activities such as posting on the forums of a game. tsk, tsk. Your right, I don't know **** about your priorities because 4 asterisk in a row doesn't mean anything. Still, this does not change the fact that you made a poor if not stupid decision at the store. (medomai grey presses his mug against Mojo XXXIII,s cheek right below the eye and in the most manly and seductive voice he can muster whispers: "now cry some more."
Wow, it's like you looked into my soul and know everything about me, based upon the two whole sentences I posted.
Do you honestly yhink I give a rat's ass what you think about me, or what I spend my money on?
Grow up, kid. You don't know **** about me, or why I've made any of the choices I have in my life, so don't presume to judge me as if you do.
(and, in case you couldn't figure it out on your own, those "four asterixes in a row" were put in by the forum's language filter, to replace the letters S, H, I, and T) |
Big Burns
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
170
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?
Couldn't decide what angle I wanted to play on this so I'm posting my top 3. 1. Who are you? 2.By pointing out the obvious, thinking you were making a valid point, you only proved us right. 3. We don't want any refunds, just 5 minutes alone with you.
Possibly the best around.
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Big Burns
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
171
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Posted - 2014.05.03 12:47:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out? Why didn't you guys say something instead wasting our time? Jesus Christ I lost a lot of respect with you IWS and CCP, now you're just like every other "AAA developer", Cons. Maybe because he has to abide by something called an NDA? You know, a legal contract that could actually spell way more trouble for him than a bunch of butthurt nerds on a forum?
So instead of being a hero...or a good man in general. He said nothing. He sold his freedom of speech for what? Couldn't he have just said, don't buy aurum...? I mean, i'm assuming it was a disclosure clause, in which case means he could have technically advised otherwise, without releasing any info on the game content. Just saying. Not trying to put anyone on the spot or anything.
Possibly the best around.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13769
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Posted - 2014.05.03 15:26:00 -
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Kev Crow wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
I played and stayed for the persistence and the tie to EVE.
Sure most people did and some even stopped playing DUST, because it was so disappointing, and started playing EVE hoping something new will develop in the meantime... The ugly fact is that CCP as a business feels they have failed their goals with this platform, and many players agree. There isn't an easy way to solve this, if they continue pushing with PS3 they will never even get off the ground. As far as AUR is concerned, it depends how you look at it. But one thing is sure, you cannot honestly claim you have not benefited from AUR at all and have only been using it for the hypothetical fun you will have in the future. CCP is very erratic, thats a fact, but if people talk to them instead of only raging they will find a way to salvage what has been earned by your effort and money. Isn't that in their best interest? Besides do you know already when is the LEGION launch date? What if it is in two years? What kind of promises can they make for something that may happen in two years? Every cent spent on this game, under the pretense that our persona would persist in New Eden, is now WASTED.
Who cares if AUR got me to 156 Billion SP, if the game is dead?
It's worthless. One simple thing quells this "Debate"
Will our character progression (Name, SP, Unspent AUR) carry over to Legion? That's it. If they do, then yes, you still benefit from the purchases you made and time you spent. If not, then yes, it was completely wasted when you consider CCP are the ones who promised a persistent, lasting experience, only to pull the rug out from under us.
Obviously this still screws console only players, but it's a start.
DUST is DEAD
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
R 0 N 1 N
1421
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:41:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:So, IWS, what's your Autism Spectrum Quotient?
Are you just bad at social interactions and lack tact or are we talking full blown Asperger's here?
Hey, don't give autistics a bad name. Theres a difference between not picking up social queues, and stonewalling and playing the blame game. The misconceptions of autism are ridiculous.
Scout Forever
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Scrub Zero
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?
Your a REAL POS. You need to quit the cpm NOW. Its for your own good. The lynch mob is waiting outside. Here's the PROBLEM! Not a fking one of those companies did what CCP has done. They are WORSE then even WOW. They ALLOWED players to continue to buy AUR without letting the players know FIRST. (MONTHS ago when legion WAS DECIDED). Bet they don't get another penny. I have NO INTENT what so ever to play dust/legion on a PC. NEVER! Now, not even on the ps4. The CPM new about all this months ago. Then let certain people know about it.
As to your 'car' question, when a company sells you a LEMON you make lemonaid. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14619
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:48:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Abron Garr wrote:So, IWS, what's your Autism Spectrum Quotient?
Are you just bad at social interactions and lack tact or are we talking full blown Asperger's here? Hey, don't give autistics a bad name. Theres a difference between not picking up social queues, and stonewalling and playing the blame game. The misconceptions of autism are ridiculous.
If a meme personified me I am the socially akward penguin. Both in person and poster.
I likely have ADHD instead.
I do troll for satire and alterrior purposes(rarely for entertainment); this of course of poor taste at times or bad timing even and even worse don't say the correct thing at the time either.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
5141
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Abron Garr wrote:So, IWS, what's your Autism Spectrum Quotient?
Are you just bad at social interactions and lack tact or are we talking full blown Asperger's here? Hey, don't give autistics a bad name. Theres a difference between not picking up social queues, and stonewalling and playing the blame game. The misconceptions of autism are ridiculous. If a meme personified me I am the socially akward penguin. Both in person and poster. I likely have ADHD instead. I do troll for satire and alterrior purposes(rarely for entertainment); this of course of poor taste at times or bad timing even and even worse don't say the correct thing at the time either. Many of us have figured that out at this point, Wolf.
Probably want to let the other CPM handle these kinds of posts at least until we get more info and the rage dies down a bit.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
R 0 N 1 N
1421
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Abron Garr wrote:So, IWS, what's your Autism Spectrum Quotient?
Are you just bad at social interactions and lack tact or are we talking full blown Asperger's here? Hey, don't give autistics a bad name. Theres a difference between not picking up social queues, and stonewalling and playing the blame game. The misconceptions of autism are ridiculous. If a meme personified me I am the socially akward penguin. Both in person and poster. I likely have ADHD instead. I do troll for satire and alterrior purposes(rarely for entertainment); this of course of poor taste at times or bad timing even and even worse don't say the correct thing at the time either.
I am usually the most bashful person ever. I probably have ADHD too. My timing has got to be the worst. High functioning autistic. If you ask me am I RAIN MAN or a genius I will get mad I'm tired of hearing that.
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Illuminaughty-696
Omega Risk Control Services
383
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:02:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:I own a PS3 for gaming. I spend all day at work on a computer, and have no need for one at home.
You don't know **** about my priorities. ^ I'm fighting the urge to troll this one. It's difficult because this person has made it so bloody easy with so many choices in so few words. Must resist making fun of them. Oh who the hell am I kidding. I am going to make fun of you. Claims to not want to deal with computers after working with them all day, so he buy a computer under the label game console... You picked a computer with very limited functionality that gets outdated every few years and must be completely replaced so the manufacturer can cash in on their fan boy/girls. Yes, the computer you chose was a game console! Implications that this person uses company computer for activities such as posting on the forums of a game. tsk, tsk. Your right, I don't know **** about your priorities because 4 asterisk in a row doesn't mean anything. Still, this does not change the fact that you made a poor if not stupid decision at the store. (medomai grey presses his mug against Mojo XXXIII,s cheek right below the eye and in the most manly and seductive voice he can muster whispers: "now cry some more."
You're an idiot. As opposed to responding directly to your idiocy . . . which amazes me to a point of . . . stupor . . . I'll respond to you and someone else at the same time. They posted somewhat more constructively. I would fail horribly at trying to respond to you and your moronic meanderings.
Dunk Mujunk wrote:We are talking about a free to play game on an out dated system, and people are getting all high and mighty about computers? If I could afford a decent computer I would never have played Dust to begin with.
And if I end up getting a decent computer it won't be running Legion.
You don't get it. It has NOTHING to do with computers. You pick out one post of many that mentions computers and then either try to make it seem like it is about computers, or are woefully ignorant of what is actually happening here. Your final statement suggests perhaps you do, and perhaps you share the anger a little, perhaps not. Regardless, this isn't about it being on a computer, it's about how CCP handled, or mishandled the situation coupled with all the deceptive, greedy crap leading up to it.
Some people are grumpy because they don't want to buy a computer, sure. Others for a hundred other reasons. The anger and frustration is because CCP went out of their way to have an event to sell their origin packs, then essentially laughed all the way to the bank as they announced Legion. The inherent deception in that should be obvious.
Further, many of us have invested a great deal of time and money into the promise of this game to have CCP act in this manner. It's not about which system DUST 2.0 will be on, it's about promises made, and investments in time and money towards a promised vision essentially stepped on for this new vision, which is really just the old vision in a new shiny box. As many have stated, the sad truth is Legion looks like it might very well be everything we were promised DUST would be. But to presume this is about having to buy computers is both preposterous and idiotic.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8277
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:09:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Can I have some isk, please?
Your ISK means nothing now unless you're an Eve player.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14640
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:13:00 -
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Our Facepalming was NDA'ed back then.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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DUST Fiend
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
13857
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:16:00 -
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To be fair, at the time they may very well have been "laser focused"
Rouge is a new addition, and they've only been working on Legion for a couple of months. Plans change :/
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14640
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:18:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:To be fair, at the time they may very well have been "laser focused" Rouge is a new addition, and they've only been working on Legion for a couple of months. Plans change :/
My memory is a bit muddeled but even if legion did or did not exist back then we still facepalmed. I think hans did a double facepalm
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DUST Fiend
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
13860
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:To be fair, at the time they may very well have been "laser focused" Rouge is a new addition, and they've only been working on Legion for a couple of months. Plans change :/ My memory is a bit muddeled but even if legion did or did not exist back then we still facepalmed. I think hans did a double facepalm Yea, that's one of the classic examples of CCP over-committing, verbally. People are way too quick to latch onto words, myself included
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14640
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:29:00 -
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Well messaging was beyond CCP Shanghai's control unfourtunate and I may get in trouble for that statement alone.
If CCP Rouge had it his way; most of you would have found out some weeks earlier and THEN we could have spent all of fan fest answering questions and showing it off more. If CCP Rouge also had it his way a playable prototype version would have been available at fan fest. But due to time development constraints and how really prototype it all is not even the press where allowed to play around with it.
But what is done is done.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
331
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?
Difference is those games lasted more than a year (dust hasnt made 1 yet) and also this is the first time a game has packed up and moved to another platform.
So you feel that its fine that if people want to continue using content they purchased that they need to change platforms.
I mean at this rate if I start now I couldnt use up all my aurum before the servers end up empty enough for matches not to be able to start.
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Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
331
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:37:00 -
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Oh and that is assuming ccp gets a proper transfer working. If they dont then content will just be left on dust 514 unable to be used until they decide to shut off the servers due to lack of players |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14643
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:40:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Oh and that is assuming ccp gets a proper transfer working. If they dont then content will just be left on dust 514 unable to be used until they decide to shut off the servers due to lack of players
The only problem I see is accounts (not the content of the counts but who owns the account)
Thus this will have to be a deal worked out with sony most likely but that's based on my knowledge of how things work.
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SCAT mania
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
449
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:Oh and that is assuming ccp gets a proper transfer working. If they dont then content will just be left on dust 514 unable to be used until they decide to shut off the servers due to lack of players The only problem I see is accounts (not the content of the counts but who owns the account) Thus this will have to be a deal worked out with sony most likely but that's based on my knowledge of how things work. i dont see how this is such a big deal. surely CCP has all of player data stored on their systems. simply copy and paste details onto the new legion server if it comes out.. like they did in closed beta, moving the server on to tranquility. since it's player characters and not PSN accounts surely CCP owns the characters and any content within those characters would be copyrighted by CCP not sony. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14649
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:51:00 -
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Sony owns the PSN accounts though; like I said I think this is the only problem along with making a system to ensure some ahole doesnt steal your name or claim your account before you do.
But that's my limited knowledge on the subject i am not there when they talk to sony.
The other factor is legion may not have the same items as dust 514 so well have to deal with that as a community if the transfer is logicically and technically ffeasible.
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ChowMaiDong
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?
Go get your pom poms out of the closet. They're right next to your lipstick and high heels. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14649
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:54:00 -
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ChowMaiDong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2
How many have been refunded?
How many reboots reimburse its predecessors? How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.
When is the end date for dust 514? When is legion?
How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out? Go get your pom poms out of the closet. They're right next to your lipstick and high heels.
Does strawberry flavored lip balm and the free french flag they gave me today count?
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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ChowMaiDong
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:55:00 -
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id guess the upside to this game getting dumped is I wont have to listen to your self important deluded dumb ass anymore. you ******* puppet.
LOL you're about to be the CPM of a **** game that was.....you ******* moron |
Foley Jones
Huogikku Corporation
528
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:55:00 -
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I love how neither no other cpm member is coming to backup IWS or ccp dev....
Its as if they know hes a piece of **** :D
MY SP BRINGS ALL THE MERCS TO THE CHANNEL AND THEY ARE LIKE "Do you wanna squad up?" DAMN RIGHT I WANNA SQUAD UP
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DUST Fiend
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
13866
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sony owns the PSN accounts though; like I said I think this is the only problem along with making a system to ensure some ahole doesnt steal your name or claim your account before you do.
But that's my limited knowledge on the subject i am not there when they talk to sony.
The other factor is legion may not have the same items as dust 514 so well have to deal with that as a community if the transfer is logicically and technically ffeasible. My only concern is Name, SP, and unspent AUR (AUR assets reverted to AUR).
The name and the AUR, I could do without, if absolutely need be.
Losing all that SP? That's a burn that no amount of ice or cream could soothe.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5258
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2 To make this more relevant to the complaints about DUST, how many of those games sold themselves on their planned 10+ year lifespan?
And of those (I count none already), how many promised constant and regular updates and expansions for free over that period in addition to the paid content?
And of those (still none), how many had their sequel/reboot announced well within the period the original game was meant to still be actively supported with new content?
CCP directly stated multiple times that DUST was part of a long-term plan and that they intended for support to continue for the game over a much longer term than the PS3's lifespan. Abandoning that oft-repeated promise is a MASSIVE thing to be dropping on people like this.
There is NO WAY AT ALL this should have gone into development, even at the early stages it's at now, without a public announcement that it was something being considered coming FIRST. Moving to PC and rebooting DUST would be something I could get on board with IF THEY HAD PROMOTED IT RIGHT. The problem isn't that they're doing something bad. It's HOW it's being done, and HOW WE'RE FINDING OUT ABOUT IT which is wrong.
Also, you spelt "MechWarrior" and "Freespace" wrong. |
ChowMaiDong
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.05.03 22:59:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
As a player I return the question to all of you. Most of your guys posts are disrespectful, uninformed kneejerked and nearly the sort of behavior that would lead o nuclear war had some of you been world leaders.
Complaining about the players having a lack of information when you are part of the information roadblock is really pathetic.
Amen.... |
Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
497
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Posted - 2014.05.03 23:17:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2 To make this more relevant to the complaints about DUST, how many of those games sold themselves on their planned 10+ year lifespan? And of those (I count none already), how many promised constant and regular updates and expansions for free over that period in addition to the paid content? And of those (still none), how many had their sequel/reboot announced within 10% of the period the original game was meant to still be actively supported with new content? And of THOSE (still none), how many had the announcement also confirm that much of the promised future content the game should be getting would now be canceled in favour of that same content being part of the new game instead. ***Wow, I found a game which fits one of these conditions. Kind of... Stuff that Ubisoft promised to include in Assassin's Creed 3 but never bothered with showed up in the sequel. Shame it doesn't even come remotely close to fitting any of the other conditions to make it relevant to DUST. And was also a terrible decision there.
CCP directly stated multiple times that DUST was part of a long-term plan and that they intended for support to continue for the game over a much longer term than the PS3's lifespan. Abandoning that oft-repeated promise is a MASSIVE thing to be dropping on people like this. There is NO WAY AT ALL this should have gone into development, even at the early stages it's at now, without a public announcement that it was something being considered coming FIRST. Moving to PC and rebooting DUST would be something I could get on board with IF THEY HAD PROMOTED IT RIGHT. The problem isn't that they're doing something bad. It's HOW it's being done, and HOW WE'RE FINDING OUT ABOUT IT which is wrong.
Also, you spelt "MechWarrior" and "Freespace" wrong.
Garrets right and any vet thats been playing this game as long as I have hears absolutely nothing you have to say at all and I 'll tell you why because you're stupid an absolute imbecile and always have been ......You're supposed to be a mouth piece for "us" (the community) to talk to" them" (CCP)not the other way around.
I dont expect you to understand such complex ideas as I've already stated you're a fool.
That Chow my Dong guy is right Soon your tenyear as CPM of this now defunct debacle will come to an end. Which couldn't come soon enough
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
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