Dunno what makes you think we didn't when we shuddered at the thoughts of what would be happening today; months ago?

though ps4 is a concept they are looking toward as they have said think about it this way who's to say in the coming years ps4 wont become ps3 while people wait or own a ps5?(or whatever they'll call it)

at least on PC they can set themselves up and work on the vision they promised us on ps3 with little to no restrictions and eventually port it to ps4. since PCs dont get replaced by another gen only upgraded with different parts the survivability rate on PC is much higher than on ps4 thus one of the possible reasons they chose PC over ps4 another reason being they aren't restricted by SOE in any way

damn near word for word.

]I can honestly say that DUST on PS3 could reasonably be expected to work better than it does and include a lot of promised features that are currently not in the game. I can also honestly say that the plan always included a move to a next-gen platform, but it had been very strongly suggested that the next-gen platform would be PS4 rather than PC.

Dunno what makes you think we didn't when we shuddered at the thoughts of what would be happening today; months ago?

Halo 2
Battlefield 2142
Command and conquer
Mech warrior 2
Descent free space
Home world 2

How many have been refunded?

How many reboots reimburse its predecessors?
How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.

When is the end date for dust 514?
When is legion?

How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?

And pushing for Aurum with all these events?
YOU KNEW MONTHS AGO!

Pushing for boosters to be bought.

It's reprehensible.

It could have been done in a better way.

If you had told us months ago that the team was working on a PC port and asked for feedback, hell, we may have even been behind you. The reveal could have been epic. Now it's tarnished with bad publicity. Read any of the news concerning Legion.

It was handled in the worst way possible. CCP Rouge should hand in a resignation. If those are the kind of decisions that he's going to make. Why would CCP keep him around?

pretty much that, IWS. i agree.
also, they never said they are shutting down the game or killing it - people are being too emo.

How many car companies refund you, well there's the Lemon Law in NA plus there are a insurance companies that can refund you and get you a car year newer.

Your other point, when is a Legion... Yup, why would you pull the plug on Dust514 by releasing this information so early. If this was the plan, you hide it as long as possible to prevent a mass exodus from Dust as to prolong your $$ gains.

CCP knew dust would react negatively to this information, but how are you not upset?

How could you possibly draw any other conclusion from this news?!

What does the shutdown date matter when we know we are getting just minimal fixes and additions going forward?

Many of us played based on the hope of what Dust could become, not on what it is.

Now that we have learned Dust will largely remain the same until its dying day, there is no longer a point for many of us to keep playing.

Halo 2
Battlefield 2142
Command and conquer
Mech warrior 2
Descent free space
Home world 2

How many have been refunded?

How many reboots reimburse its predecessors?
How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.

When is the end date for dust 514?
When is legion?

How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?

Dunno human, if your maintainer told you your shutdown date; would you change your parameters too?

I got a few jokes to lighten up the mood....

CCP cares about its playerbase,
IWS is not a crook who played the community for fools and got his free yearly vacations.
Dust is a great game.
Legion will be even better,

seriously all that matters is will the let me transfer my ******* merc to legion..the deciding factor in vamping up and buying a new gaming pc...or a ps4 is right there...will my merc be transferable to legion ? because if so that would not only give me a reason to go fix my pc over buying a ps4 it also gives me reason to continue playing dust in its current form until the start of legion.



it is ccp's choice if they do not give us some means of transfer...they are building legion.. our characters are on tranquility ..i seriously hope besides forcing us to go pc to continue in the fps side of new eden..they dont also force our years of dedication to their vision to be for nothing.

i want my main to be in legion i want it to have some form of carry over i dont care about inventory i dont care about isk...

i want my sp ..or its equal in legion i have a very versatile merc that i have spent 2 years building

and im sure many others want this as well for their characters.

I dont design events.

IWS, i know you were on a NDA ever since you became a CPM, but the moment you (and the rest of CPM) knew what was happening to this game on PS3, and what was the real story behind the 4month delay to 1.8 and to why development stagnated, you should of just kept quiet and hide in shame. Most of the players are console users, and moving the vision from PS3 to PC is just a big FU to the entire playerbase. Most of the trailers, promises and advertising, are , in the end, just lies. If i was a CPM, i would of resigned the moment i knew what plans CCP had in reality for this game. As a CPM and as a player i lost all respect for you and the likes of you.

Okay, you know what IWS? I was going to keep quiet and respect the idea behind your thread, even if I didn't agree with it, but this right here is just too much.


I'm going to gloss over your bad comparisons to other games, how the manner and events of their discontinuation have little parity with DUST 514's.

I'm also going to spare you a lecture about how advertising a product or service as providing one thing (continued updates, expansion and refinement of the world and gameplay systems, further interconnectivity with the New Eden universe) and then delivering another, similar-in-appearance-but-obviously-NOT-the-same product or service (DUST 514 as it is today, with no further updates or expansion, as stated by fanfest announcements) while continuing to advertise said product or service as fully still providing that thing is not only unethical, it's downright illegal.

Which is what CCP has done over the last 4~ish months or thereabouts, since DUST 514 development was halted.


If Blizzard said today "We're shuttering development as of this October, WoW at that point will be as developed as it is ever going to be. Buy items through the in-game market from this point on at your own risk and with full knowledge of this fact" they'd be fine.

If Blizzard came to this decision six months ago and didn't tell anyone until Blizzcon in November the customers would have every right to demand a refund of their monies, if Blizzard continued to advertise WoW during that time as an MMO with continual content updates and open-ended additions. ESPECIALLY if the majority of Blizzard's sales were made up of items that served no purpose but to increase the speed of progression. Progression which would be rendered pointless much sooner than anticipated, because the end of progression FOREVER would at that point be very much in sight.


Gah, I said I'd spare you a lecture and ended up giving it to you anyway. My apologies. Sorta.




The issue I have with you is this attitude of yours. Exemplified in the quoted post.

You keep painting CCP as the victim here. That the playerbase is jumping down CCPs throats unjustifiably.

You say we should continue to support CCP, so that DUST can "continue to thrive" for fear of CCP "pulling the plug".


NEWSFLASH, IWS!

DUST hasn't THRIVED in a long time, possibly EVER. And it isn't because the players didn't want it to thrive. It isn't because we didn't support CCP.
If we hadn't supported CCP, those refund threads you seem to find so distasteful WOULDN'T EXIST!

We DID support CCP. That was our mistake. Because our support in the end was used to fund a DIFFERENT GAME, instead of the one we actually played.


We aren't at risk of causing CCP to pull the plug due to our lack of support! CCP pulled the plug AND WE ARE WITHDRAWING WHAT SUPPORT WE CAN IN CONSEQUENCE!

This is called reaping what you've sown.


CCP has given up on the game, but you expect the players to continue to bankroll the development of the OTHER game that sounded the death-knell of this one? The game that CCP stated straight-up was gaining its development and ideas at the cost of this one?

Basically, you want us to purchase a first class suite on the Titanic, AS IT IS SINKING?



Every post you makes smacks of poorly executed damage control, and comes across as a sad attempt at maintaining personal relevance as some sort of leadership figure in a world which has just been given its pink slip by The Powers That Be.

You can't lead people which have no future. There's nowhere to lead them to.

I dont design events.

Dunno human, if your maintainer told you your shutdown date; would you change your parameters too?

If a meme personified me I am the socially akward penguin. Both in person and poster.

I likely have ADHD instead.

I do troll for satire and alterrior purposes(rarely for entertainment); this of course of poor taste at times or bad timing even and even worse don't say the correct thing at the time either.

Some people are grumpy because they don't want to buy a computer, sure. Others for a hundred other reasons. The anger and frustration is because CCP went out of their way to have an event to sell their origin packs, then essentially laughed all the way to the bank as they announced Legion. The inherent deception in that should be obvious.

Further, many of us have invested a great deal of time and money into the promise of this game to have CCP act in this manner. It's not about which system DUST 2.0 will be on, it's about promises made, and investments in time and money towards a promised vision essentially stepped on for this new vision, which is really just the old vision in a new shiny box. As many have stated, the sad truth is Legion looks like it might very well be everything we were promised DUST would be. But to presume this is about having to buy computers is both preposterous and idiotic.

Halo 2
Battlefield 2142
Command and conquer
Mech warrior 2
Descent free space
Home world 2

How many have been refunded?

How many reboots reimburse its predecessors?
How many sequels repaid you back for the last game you got from them.

When is the end date for dust 514?
When is legion?

How many car co panies that refund you just because a new year model is out?

Well messaging was beyond CCP Shanghai's control unfourtunate and I may get in trouble for that statement alone.

If CCP Rouge had it his way; most of you would have found out some weeks earlier and THEN we could have spent all of fan fest answering questions and showing it off more. If CCP Rouge also had it his way a playable prototype version would have been available at fan fest. But due to time development constraints and how really prototype it all is not even the press where allowed to play around with it.

But what is done is done.

There is a difference between those games and Dust though.

Throughout it's development, we were assured Dust would continue to exist for well over 10 years. This makes aurum items more appealing since they have more permanence and would continue to be a worthwhile investment years later (at least for SP boosters and BPOs).

Those other games never made claims that that iteration of their series would continue to be developed for years after their initial release.

I don't want a refund as I feel I've gotten my ~$50 worth out of Dust, but saying the switch from Dust to Legion is the same thing as Halo 2 to Halo 3 is a grave misrepresentation of the situation.

In the case of XIV 1.0, all the money we paid in subscriptions went on to help fund 2.0. Why can't we look at the money we put into Dust like that in regards to Legion?

Oh that's like saying that we're all going to die one day or call of duty advanced warfighter servers is going to get its plug pulled.

The problem is people are out of possibly fear and lack of infomration belive that the shutdown date is much sooner than possible reality. And No I have no idea as to when either but I can still buy a copy of MAG at the store ><.

When told by a medical professional (someone whose job is "maintaining" other humans) that they are going to die (or "shut down") in a short, and relatively specific, period of time, what do most people do?

Do they carry on with their lives as usual? NOPE.

They "change their parameters" and start acting differently, doing things they always wanted to do, but kept putting off saying "I'll do it some other time" or "next year". Because there is no next year, they do things differently.

Remember when they first revealed Dust 514? Remember how excited everyone was then? They're going to make the same mistakes again, mark my words. Unless the game is subscription based, with 0 micro transactions during the beta, it's going to happen all over again. Legion is just Dust 514 by a different name.