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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5258	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Halo 2 Battlefield 2142 Command and conquer Mech warrior 2 Descent free space Home world 2 To make this more relevant to the complaints about DUST, how many of those games sold themselves on their planned 10+ year lifespan? And of those (I count none already), how many promised constant and regular updates and expansions for free over that period in addition to the paid content? And of those (still none), how many had their sequel/reboot announced well within the period the original game was meant to still be actively supported with new content? CCP directly stated multiple times that DUST was part of a long-term plan and that they intended for support to continue for the game over a much longer term than the PS3's lifespan. Abandoning that oft-repeated promise is a MASSIVE thing to be dropping on people like this. There is NO WAY AT ALL this should have gone into development, even at the early stages it's at now, without a public announcement that it was something being considered coming FIRST. Moving to PC and rebooting DUST would be something I could get on board with IF THEY HAD PROMOTED IT RIGHT. The problem isn't that they're doing something bad. It's HOW it's being done, and HOW WE'RE FINDING OUT ABOUT IT which is wrong. Also, you spelt "MechWarrior" and "Freespace" wrong.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5260	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Something else I have issue with, IWS. If you knew about this in advance, and are saying you didn't tell us about it because of your NDA... WE. DON'T. CARE. You SHOULD have broken the NDA. You were AWARE that CCP was actively LYING TO CUSTOMERS to sell their product. Realistically, since you're MEANT to be a representative of the players, you should have said "if this isn't announced this week, I'm taking it public" and made it clear that this approach WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE. If you guys really did know what was going on in advance, and nobody on the CPM spoke up about it, then I've lost a lot of faith in ALL of you (and I didn't have much faith in some of you to begin with).
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5262	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:38:00 - [3] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: 1: DUST514 will be getting a much needed overhaul and will possibly coming to PS4 in the future Source? I have one that says otherwise. His name is CCP Rouge, and he posted here with a very strong implication that DUST is finished apart from balance tweaks and bug fixes. Quote: 2: Instead of leaving DUST514 to fail on an obsolete console with only a very limited player base that was most likely to declined drastically over the years they took the next logically step, bringing it to a console where it can flourish, gather players, and take the large steps closer to becoming the game we all saw it becoming That's totally a better option that the previous plan. They certainly planned to let DUST fail on an obsolete console when they could have done what they had been telling us all along that they would do and release a PS4 version then gradually phase out support for the PS3 game as they added new features the older console couldn't cope with. Quote: 3: can you honestly say you saw DUST514 going anywhere but down on the ps3? yes there was a very loyal fan-base but a very small one at that. I can honestly say that DUST on PS3 could reasonably be expected to work better than it does and include a lot of promised features that are currently not in the game. I can also honestly say that the plan always included a move to a next-gen platform, but it had been very strongly suggested that the next-gen platform would be PS4 rather than PC. Quote: 4: our characters are likely to be transferred with at least some of the SP earned That's not so much a "positive" as a half-hearted "maybe". They aren't committing to providing anywhere near the promised level of continuity many DUST players were looking forward to seeing from the game. I'm skipping the rest of your post, because I think it's more polite to keep my borderline hysterical laughter at that level of stupidity to myself.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5262	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:43:00 - [4] - Quote Meric Voyer wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolcpm Being absolutely ***** useless from day 1 'representing the playerbase' they said, doing anything but Why do you exist? you are *** useless If I could give you 100 likes for this post, I would. ** the NDA, if they knew this was happening, and it's more than likely that they did, they should have used ALTs to leak the info. Nuff said. CPM have never cared about the PS3 DUST 514 community, their sole purpose has been to get the product on PC where all the CCP fanboys reside. I don't even think they should have used alts. They should have given CCP a straight-up ultimatum: Tell the players, or we will. Not telling the players about this AS SOON AS THE DECISION WAS MADE was blatantly immoral and unethical, and if any CPM member knew about it, they should have made sure the people they supposedly represent ALSO knew.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5264	Posted - 2014.05.04 00:57:00 - [5] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: onto the first one i'm retrospect Project Legion and DUST514 are the exact same game only DUST514 can be considered a beta test of Project Legion. " who better to beta test than thousands of players who can and will find everything broken Op and Up about this game" <--[quoting bamm havoc] this sorta ties in with the second one so i wont go into detail about it DUST is getting a reboot in the form of Legion. It COULD be getting a continuation and a new lease of life, but they've instead chosen to abandon it and start over when they could do what they had promised and keep it alive, just in a new form. You're trying to imply that before Legion, CCP planned to never move DUST from the PS3 and intended to let it languish and die. That was never the case, but how they're going about it with Legion is pretty much entirely wrong, particularly with regards to advising their playerbase of their plans. Quote: onto the third. i answered that in another comment on the post. Link? Because I've read the whole thread and don't see it anywhere. Quote: the fourth one. our Characters will be transfers in regards to the things they have skill points, isk, assests etc etc thats the part they are working on and now that i think about the most we'll get is a percent of our SP because coming into a new game with trillions of isk andmillions of SP as some player have aquired over the years would be game breaking for the NPE and the game as a whole. They've said that they'll TRY and transfer all "applicable" assets and skills. They've also said "no promises" when talking about it. So we MIGHT be getting SOME of what we've built up. And you're right, players with lots of SP and ISK make the NPE on a game like this completely broken. That's why EVE Online died off so fast once the first few players got Titans.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5268	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:39:00 - [6] - Quote Mr CreepyPasta wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Quote: onto the third. i answered that in another comment on the post. Link? Because I've read the whole thread and don't see it anywhere. though ps4 is a concept they are looking toward as they have said think about it this way who's to say in the coming years ps4 wont become ps3 while people wait or own a ps5?(or whatever they'll call it) at least on PC they can set themselves up and work on the vision they promised us on ps3 with little to no restrictions and eventually port it to ps4. since PCs dont get replaced by another gen only upgraded with different parts the survivability rate on PC is much higher than on ps4 thus one of the possible reasons they chose PC over ps4 another reason being they aren't restricted by SOE in any way damn near word for word. And here's the point you're CLAIMING that comment was a valid response to: Garrett Blacknova wrote: ]I can honestly say that DUST on PS3 could reasonably be expected to work better than it does and include a lot of promised features that are currently not in the game. I can also honestly say that the plan always included a move to a next-gen platform, but it had been very strongly suggested that the next-gen platform would be PS4 rather than PC. It doesn't address my comment at all. So once again, where in this thread did you ACTUALLY address the point I made? Because I still don't see it. Also, fixed your poorly-done attempt at quoting me.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5276	Posted - 2014.05.04 02:59:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I dont design events. No, but you have openly admitted to having knowledge of the plan for Legion before it was made public - though by how long I'm not sure. That, combined with SEEING those events should have been MORE THAN ENOUGH to convince a person with any respect for the players to break NDA and tell us that this was a huge scam. Not sharing the information with us was WRONG on your part. The lack of information about this doesn't rest solely on your shoulders, but once the CPM knew about this plan, the silence became as much a mistake by the CPM as by CCP themselves.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5276	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:05:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno human, if your maintainer told you your shutdown date; would you change your parameters too? When told by a medical professional (someone whose job is "maintaining" other humans) that they are going to die (or "shut down") in a short, and relatively specific, period of time, what do most people do? Do they carry on with their lives as usual? NOPE. They "change their parameters" and start acting differently, doing things they always wanted to do, but kept putting off saying "I'll do it some other time" or "next year". Because there is no next year, they do things differently.

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