Okay, you know what IWS? I was going to keep quiet and respect the idea behind your thread, even if I didn't agree with it, but this right here is just too much.


I'm going to gloss over your bad comparisons to other games, how the manner and events of their discontinuation have little parity with DUST 514's.

I'm also going to spare you a lecture about how advertising a product or service as providing one thing (continued updates, expansion and refinement of the world and gameplay systems, further interconnectivity with the New Eden universe) and then delivering another, similar-in-appearance-but-obviously-NOT-the-same product or service (DUST 514 as it is today, with no further updates or expansion, as stated by fanfest announcements) while continuing to advertise said product or service as fully still providing that thing is not only unethical, it's downright illegal.

Which is what CCP has done over the last 4~ish months or thereabouts, since DUST 514 development was halted.


If Blizzard said today "We're shuttering development as of this October, WoW at that point will be as developed as it is ever going to be. Buy items through the in-game market from this point on at your own risk and with full knowledge of this fact" they'd be fine.

If Blizzard came to this decision six months ago and didn't tell anyone until Blizzcon in November the customers would have every right to demand a refund of their monies, if Blizzard continued to advertise WoW during that time as an MMO with continual content updates and open-ended additions. ESPECIALLY if the majority of Blizzard's sales were made up of items that served no purpose but to increase the speed of progression. Progression which would be rendered pointless much sooner than anticipated, because the end of progression FOREVER would at that point be very much in sight.


Gah, I said I'd spare you a lecture and ended up giving it to you anyway. My apologies. Sorta.




The issue I have with you is this attitude of yours. Exemplified in the quoted post.

You keep painting CCP as the victim here. That the playerbase is jumping down CCPs throats unjustifiably.

You say we should continue to support CCP, so that DUST can "continue to thrive" for fear of CCP "pulling the plug".


NEWSFLASH, IWS!

DUST hasn't THRIVED in a long time, possibly EVER. And it isn't because the players didn't want it to thrive. It isn't because we didn't support CCP.
If we hadn't supported CCP, those refund threads you seem to find so distasteful WOULDN'T EXIST!

We DID support CCP. That was our mistake. Because our support in the end was used to fund a DIFFERENT GAME, instead of the one we actually played.


We aren't at risk of causing CCP to pull the plug due to our lack of support! CCP pulled the plug AND WE ARE WITHDRAWING WHAT SUPPORT WE CAN IN CONSEQUENCE!

This is called reaping what you've sown.


CCP has given up on the game, but you expect the players to continue to bankroll the development of the OTHER game that sounded the death-knell of this one? The game that CCP stated straight-up was gaining its development and ideas at the cost of this one?

Basically, you want us to purchase a first class suite on the Titanic, AS IT IS SINKING?



Every post you makes smacks of poorly executed damage control, and comes across as a sad attempt at maintaining personal relevance as some sort of leadership figure in a world which has just been given its pink slip by The Powers That Be.

You can't lead people which have no future. There's nowhere to lead them to.

Well mercs. Now we know who didn't stand up for us when Legion was being discussed.

Let put it this way:

When I spent money on Dust, I wasn't spending it to enjoy the current game, I spent it to prepare for it to become what Project Legion will be. The money I spent was based on the promises of CCP. Had they said things would end up this way, I would not have spent money on Dust 514...they knew it. I and many others spent money on the future of this game-we're basically investors-and we've just learned that it's going NOWHERE. CCP deliberately withheld that information in order to keep us spending money. It's a bait and switch pure and simple.

All this overreaction and negative feedback has the potential to kill Legion while its still in the womb. Legion needs its defenders so it that it has a chance to succeed; a chance to fulfil the dream that Dust514 failed achieve.

Well, I do not know of any other video game in which the developers did a complete about face on me combined with blatantly misleading and false advertising/statements after I've invested more than 10x the amount I would in any other game based upon what the developers claimed was an accurate projection of the future of said game. I am extremely well versed in video games. I've played almost every system from Atari forward to PS3.

It comes down to one company's misleading statements and corrupt actions against a significant player base.

Even Runescape, which had an extremely unpopular update with Runescape 3 which involved the removal of the old combat system, Jagex purposefully wrote and talked about it in the forums for months ahead of time before it was implemented. They also provided screenshots and detailed videos/blogs of RS3. Due to the unpopularity of it, they also maintained something called "Old School Runescape" which kept the old combat systems and gameplay, plus the people who spent all the years building up their skills, gold pieces and items DID NOT LOOSE ACCESS TO THEM EVER!!!!!!!!!!! Jagex did not move Runescape off the computer over to only consoles, or do such huge upgrades that people who played it before were no longer able to due to immense graphical and technical overhauls.

CCP claimed over a month before Fanfest that their focus on Dust for the PS3 was "laser focused" and would continue into the foreseeable future with "NO PLANS" to shut it down, and they were going to ADHERE to the original 10 year plan. Then they actively encouraged people through the IRC, developer blogs/updates, and the forums to purchase more AUR for boosters and items based upon (are you ready for it?) FALSE PRETENSES!

They knew well in advance Dust 514 would not meet the community's hopes and they were already working on Legion. Did they disclose this to anyone? No, instead they continued under the same guise that Dust was going to remain the same. Nowhere ever did they indicate BEFORE the recent AUR push that Dust was going to be basically eliminated from the PS3 with no PS4 option for the foreseeable future.

Here's my support: Legion looks awesome. Please don't ditch it.

Criticisms here are, for the most part, on CCP's announcing the beginning of Dust dying, without any information how we are going to be compensated for our time and money. Legion is the game we signed up for and paid for. We were told Dust is that game, but Dust is not. Legion looks awesome, and I'm excited about the possibility. But they should have included certain promises and guarantees in the keynote about appropriate compensation, since we were told we were being sold a new car but were given a lemon instead. I paid for the car, so I must get the car. They can do what they want with the lemon.

And they still can't make that promise.

And that's a huge problem.

(Please note: I'm ignoring how those ps3-only players are being completely shafted, and focusing on us PC players who have a chance for a bright future)

That is shockingly distasteful mate. People are upset over a massive shake up in regards to the game they have put time, energy, emotion, and possibly even money into and you make a post such as this?

Let put it this way:

When I spent money on Dust, I wasn't spending it to enjoy the current game, I spent it to prepare for it to become what Project Legion will be. The money I spent was based on the promises of CCP. Had they said things would end up this way, I would not have spent money on Dust 514...they knew it. I and many others spent money on the future of this game-we're basically investors-and we've just learned that it's going NOWHERE. CCP deliberately withheld that information in order to keep us spending money. It's a bait and switch pure and simple.

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