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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:59:00 -
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I was just thinking about posting up an ideas thread about making gallente sentinels viable at armor rep tanking and then started actually looking at numbers and realised it looks like they might actually be possible already.
I'm not specced into gal sentinel at all but I can see that with all lows on a proto suit filled with complex armor reppers you'd be getting 26hp/s on 656.25 armor hp. Sounds pretty decent and you won't be weighed down by those heavy armor plates you'd be using otherwise.
So, has anyone tried this out? How's it work out? Is it viable? If not, how much more hp/s would you say would be needed for armor rep tanking to be actually viable on the gal sentinel at least?
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:01:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I was just thinking about posting up an ideas thread about making gallente sentinels viable at armor rep tanking and then started actually looking at numbers and realised it looks like they might actually be possible already.
I'm not specced into gal sentinel at all but I can see that with all lows on a proto suit filled with complex armor reppers you'd be getting 26hp/s on 656.25 armor hp. Sounds pretty decent and you won't be weighed down by those heavy armor plates you'd be using otherwise.
So, has anyone tried this out? How's it work out? Is it viable? If not, how much more hp/s would you say would be needed for armor rep tanking to be actually viable on the gal sentinel at least?
I'm about to try this now, will post results.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:01:00 -
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This sounds awesome. Someone should test it out and report back.
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:06:00 -
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26 a second doesn't seem like it would last very long under fire from more than one merc. If that guy had a mass driver, it would melt even faster. I'm certain an assault rail rifle could dps that down faster than it could rep.
Now if you put a single complex plate and the rest reps and had a logi repping said heavy, we might be talking about something. |
Syeven Reed
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:07:00 -
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Yes, it's awesome! Just simply awesome. On standard - 2 plates one rep or 3 reps all the way if your raspberries are particularly squishy.
Proto with full reps and a core rep tool behind you is a very hard tank to break.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:09:00 -
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It's awesome, except for the fact that you will lose every single fight against an equally skilled heavy that is buffer fit as you will theoretically be trading evenly on the tracking exchange. |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:12:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Django Quik wrote:I was just thinking about posting up an ideas thread about making gallente sentinels viable at armor rep tanking and then started actually looking at numbers and realised it looks like they might actually be possible already.
I'm not specced into gal sentinel at all but I can see that with all lows on a proto suit filled with complex armor reppers you'd be getting 26hp/s on 656.25 armor hp. Sounds pretty decent and you won't be weighed down by those heavy armor plates you'd be using otherwise.
So, has anyone tried this out? How's it work out? Is it viable? If not, how much more hp/s would you say would be needed for armor rep tanking to be actually viable on the gal sentinel at least? I'm about to try this now, will post results.
Also if possible try it with logi support, I think that should give it a real boost. Maybe only sustained fire or big alpha would stop you?
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
3729
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:13:00 -
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Buffer fit and logi is better.
You will last much longer. |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:14:00 -
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It doesn't work on a heavy sadly, especially a HMG heavy. The reason is because you're always at very close range so things are *always* doing their max damage to you, and you need the extra HP from plates to properly deal with things like other sentinels.
Where armor rep tanking *can* be viable is with a laser wielding amarr assault (though even that will want at least one plate), because you'll function outside most weapons optimals and they'll only be getting incidental damage on you. With 2 complex repairers and a complex plate on an amarr assault it gets its total armor hp back every 36 seconds.
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Spike Slania
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:16:00 -
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I stack my low slots with reactive plates for the armor rep and armor bonus, that and more movement speed. As much as I want to rely in my logis, they tend to die before me by enemy scouts/snipers.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:22:00 -
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Results from my Experiment:
Breif on Build:
I decided to run this build in a Standard fit with basic reps (didn't want to waste my ISK if it ended up being horrible). Was also using an HMG.
From what I learnt:
On a Gallente Sentinel, It is a viable build. However the standard tanking of the Gal Sentinel has to be thrown out the window. This is more of a Hit-and-Run style and not a stand there and tank. It is also REALLY fun to do. The speed you gain from not having plates helps out with this style.
I recommend not using it in long engagements.
Edit:
Forgot to add:
You get an increased speed with your sidearm out, which I used to escape and wait for my armour to Rep. This is similar to shield tanking (taking cover and allowing rep).
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:32:00 -
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Erm just no. If you want to have good regen capability you go with the caldari sentinel. It has mobility and enough HP to make it decent enough +shield resistance on it is very good with the allready good natural resistance. Explosives, shotguns, projectile weapons,railgun tech and laser weapons deal less damage towards the caldari sentinel due to its skill bonus in combination with the normal shield resistance.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:41:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Erm just no. If you want to have good regen capability you go with the caldari sentinel. It has mobility and enough HP to make it decent enough +shield resistance on it is very good with the allready good natural resistance. Explosives, shotguns, projectile weapons,railgun tech and laser weapons deal less damage towards the caldari sentinel due to its skill bonus in combination with the normal shield resistance.
Yea I dont get why you'd want a repping Gal sentinel, why not just run an energizer bunny Caldari Sentinel?
It would be probably be worse under direct fire since it cannot constantly heal but can rep insanely fast and still fit armor plates.
Now I want to see repper Gal Sentinel vs Energizer Bunny Caldari Sentinel.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
3732
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:43:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Results from my Experiment:
Breif on Build:
I decided to run this build in a Standard fit with basic reps (didn't want to waste my ISK if it ended up being horrible). Was also using an HMG.
From what I learnt:
On a Gallente Sentinel, It is a viable build. However the standard tanking of the Gal Sentinel has to be thrown out the window. This is more of a Hit-and-Run style and not a stand there and tank. It is also REALLY fun to do. The speed you gain from not having plates helps out with this style.
I recommend not using it in long engagements.
Edit:
Forgot to add:
You get an increased speed with your sidearm out, which I used to escape and wait for my armour to Rep. This is similar to shield tanking (taking cover and allowing rep).
You do not get speed increased with your sidearm out.
This has been tested numerous times and it is visual trickery due to the sway animation while you run being sped up. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:44:00 -
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I rep-tank my Galmando and it works okayish.
But then, I use a plasma cannon on it too.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Buffer fit and logi is better.
You will last much longer.
Local reps can't come close to a decent logi.
But if you don't have one available, some of the heavies I run with say the Gal rep fit works well.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
42
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:52:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Results from my Experiment:
Breif on Build:
I decided to run this build in a Standard fit with basic reps (didn't want to waste my ISK if it ended up being horrible). Was also using an HMG.
From what I learnt:
On a Gallente Sentinel, It is a viable build. However the standard tanking of the Gal Sentinel has to be thrown out the window. This is more of a Hit-and-Run style and not a stand there and tank. It is also REALLY fun to do. The speed you gain from not having plates helps out with this style.
I recommend not using it in long engagements.
Edit:
Forgot to add:
You get an increased speed with your sidearm out, which I used to escape and wait for my armour to Rep. This is similar to shield tanking (taking cover and allowing rep). You do not get speed increased with your sidearm out. This has been tested numerous times and it is visual trickery due to the sway animation while you run being sped up.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:14:00 -
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How much armor rep hp/s do you guys reckon you'd need for a fully rep tanking gal sentinel to be viable without having to rely on logi support then?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:18:00 -
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It's not good for what people think it'll be good for. If you're planning on using the reps to stay in a sustained battle, you'll be constantly short on the shields the suit has. Which means you're left with the same amount of HP as a tanked medium on a bigger target.
No.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3169
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:28:00 -
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I run a triple rep and a complex plate and it works pretty well. Problem is, it's not meant for fight more then 1 or 2 guys at a time but you can instantly recover by the time the next guy comes at you.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1507
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:51:00 -
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I don't see it being any better than a rep tanked Cal heavy. With proto mods and skills, Cal heavies can easily get >80 shield hp/sec and still get over 700 shield HP alone. And moving at +6m/s to boot.
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Everything Dies
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:57:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:How much armor rep hp/s do you guys reckon you'd need for a fully rep tanking gal sentinel to be viable without having to rely on logi support then?
Probably 40 per second at a minimum, given how quickly weapons fire in the game.
Best to go with the plates if you're going to be defending an objective, as you're better off killing the enemy and repping at 5 or 6 per second than trying to eliminate the enemy while ducking in and out of cover.
Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit.
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:00:00 -
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It's fun, but it can't out tank any weapon's DPS.
2 people shooting at you and it's over.
I run all sorts of tanked Heavies and Rep tanked is easily the worst I've tried.
1 Repper, 2 KinCatz, 1 Cardiac Regulator is the best non-bricked fitting, for a solo player.
* >50 HP/S to run Reps competitively
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castba
Penguin's March
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:05:00 -
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Yes, I ran that fit on the old Amarr sentinel.
It is actually pretty good if you are running the six kin burst.
It is NOT for taking sustained fire though, so use plenty of cover and flank, flank, flank. |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
378
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:10:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I run a triple rep and a complex plate and it works pretty well. Problem is, it's not meant for fight more then 1 or 2 guys at a time but you can instantly recover by the time the next guy comes at you.
Yeah I've had a ton of fun with just the Basic Gallente Heavy with two complex reps and I have a blast with it.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:40:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Django Quik wrote:I was just thinking about posting up an ideas thread about making gallente sentinels viable at armor rep tanking and then started actually looking at numbers and realised it looks like they might actually be possible already.
I'm not specced into gal sentinel at all but I can see that with all lows on a proto suit filled with complex armor reppers you'd be getting 26hp/s on 656.25 armor hp. Sounds pretty decent and you won't be weighed down by those heavy armor plates you'd be using otherwise.
So, has anyone tried this out? How's it work out? Is it viable? If not, how much more hp/s would you say would be needed for armor rep tanking to be actually viable on the gal sentinel at least? I'm about to try this now, will post results. Also if possible try it with logi support, I think that should give it a real boost. Maybe only sustained fire or big alpha would stop you?
Well if you're going to add a logi then it's definitely better to tank hp. An extra 26 hp per second is nice but having around 1000 hp with a rep tool would probably work a lot better. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
3068
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:19:00 -
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If one of the gallente sentinel's resistance bonuses was swapped out for a bonus to armor repair modules, how would people feel about that? Say for example a 10% per level increase would bring a complex repper to nearly 10hp/s (including the module skill bonus). That would allow you to get around 40hp/s if you used all your slots.
I think it would balance because you're having to sacrifice all hp tank for it but as several people have already said, you wouldn't be able to just absorb sustained fire because many weapons DPS is over 7 times that max rep potential. I'd envisage people using a couple of plates and one or two reppers.
Thoughts anyone?
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
908
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:22:00 -
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I love it, even so much I just recommended it in another thread 
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
3070
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:32:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I love it, even so much I just recommended it in another thread
You love running an armor rep tanking heavy or you love the idea of a rep mod bonus to gal heavies to give them up to 40hp/s with all low slots used?
Damn, I need a LOT of SP to even just try this out 
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:36:00 -
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You also have to consider that the resistance bonus brings the effective rep up (when talking about out-repping dps).
26 hp/s becomes
Vs rail 15% resistance => 26hp/s*1.15 = 29.9 hp/s
Vs projectile 10% => 26hp/s*1.1 = 28.6 hp/s
I myself, am running a rep tanked, speedy gallente commando (shotgun/AR) as you might already know Django. It is awesome.
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