When an Amarr Scout with a standard CR can brazenly solo a 27million. SP Amarr Heavy with 1100 EHP and a completely maxed out basic HMG with 3% Damage Mod at close range, you know something is wrong, especially as strafing as a heavy isnt even an option.

OP is right on the money. Here is how much damage each weapon does (at standard) without a turbo controller:

AR 375 DPS
CR 540 DPS
ScR 433 DPS
RR 361 DPS

Here is damage per effective magazine (ScR overheat is effectively a magazine)

AR 1800 damage
CR 1458 damage
ScR 1040 damage
RR 1974 damage

Here is the damage per trigger pull of similar weaponry types at proto (RR has no equivelent)

duvolle TacAR 69.3 damage
Viziam scrambler 71.5 damage
Boundless Comabt Rifle 89.1 damage

CR has the best damage profile and the least fitting requirements.

CR has 15 meters longer range than the AR, but only ten less meter range than the ScR and RR (at standard).

CR doesn't overheat.

These are all facts, add them up and the CR is incredibly OP.

EDIT: Oh and the only SMG that does more damage per shot than the CR is the breach SMG, the breach SMG has a rate of fire of 535, less than half of the 1200 RPM CR.

Combat rifle can kill heavies before they can react
Even cal heavies

OP is right on the money. Here is how much damage each weapon does (at standard) without a turbo controller:

AR 375 DPS
CR 540 DPS
ScR 433 DPS
RR 361 DPS

Here is damage per effective magazine (ScR overheat is effectively a magazine)

AR 1800 damage
CR 1458 damage
ScR 1040 damage
RR 1974 damage

Here is the damage per trigger pull of similar weaponry types at proto (RR has no equivelent)

duvolle TacAR 69.3 damage
Viziam scrambler 71.5 damage
Boundless Comabt Rifle 89.1 damage

CR has the best damage profile and the least fitting requirements.

CR has 15 meters longer range than the AR, but only ten less meter range than the ScR and RR (at standard).

CR doesn't overheat.

These are all facts, add them up and the CR is incredibly OP.

EDIT: Oh and the only SMG that does more damage per shot than the CR is the breach SMG, the breach SMG has a rate of fire of 535, less than half of the 1200 RPM CR.

No, the DPS is just to high.
5% less penalty to shields isn't what's breaking the weapon.

Oh you are back with your numbers ?! Do you even play this game or love that calculator more than the DS3... everytime i see you are either spamming some uplinks on random places and hiding behind the redline.. You dont even snipe... You just sit there and get WP.... Must be nice to come here and crunch numbers and give high and mighty ideas on everything...

Oh you are back with your numbers ?! Do you even play this game or love that calculator more than the DS3... everytime i see you are either spamming some uplinks on random places and hiding behind the redline.. You dont even snipe... You just sit there and get WP.... Must be nice to come here and crunch numbers and give high and mighty ideas on everything...

Lol, ok bud. I knew there was a reason I ignore your post. Are you upset because I blew up your tank, or the fact that I killed your protosuit with standard gear?

Also, you do realize how stupid you sound right? Saying things like "dur hur numbers OMG dur hur" makes you sound like the knuckle dragging, tank-spamming, proto-squad crutcher that you are. Go back to COD moron.

You'v forgot the Damage profile, you can now add 20% bonus damage to CR because it's broken, seriosuly CCP why Minmatarr have lal the good stuff everytime and so much hate on Amarr ?

OP is right on the money. Here is how much damage each weapon does (at standard) without a turbo controller:

AR 375 DPS
CR 540 DPS
ScR 433 DPS
RR 361 DPS

Here is damage per effective magazine (ScR overheat is effectively a magazine)

AR 1800 damage
CR 1458 damage
ScR 1040 damage
RR 1974 damage

Here is the damage per trigger pull of similar weaponry types at proto (RR has no equivelent)

duvolle TacAR 69.3 damage
Viziam scrambler 71.5 damage
Boundless Comabt Rifle 89.1 damage

CR has the best damage profile and the least fitting requirements.

CR has 15 meters longer range than the AR, but only ten less meter range than the ScR and RR (at standard).

CR doesn't overheat.

These are all facts, add them up and the CR is incredibly OP.

EDIT: Oh and the only SMG that does more damage per shot than the CR is the breach SMG, the breach SMG has a rate of fire of 535, less than half of the 1200 RPM CR.

if only we all played dust over in math land where every bullet hits, everyone starts firing at the same time, and no other variables are applied ^^

if only we all played dust over in math land where every bullet hits, everyone starts firing at the same time, and no other variables are applied ^^

Lol, ok bud. I knew there was a reason I ignore your post. Are you upset because I blew up your tank, or the fact that I killed your protosuit with standard gear?

Also, you do realize how stupid you sound right? Saying things like "dur hur numbers OMG dur hur" makes you sound like the knuckle dragging, tank-spamming, proto-squad crutcher that you are. Go back to COD moron.

LOL my tank lmfao my tank....... You lost me there

Ah yes, the 'numbers are irrelevant get good scrub' argument.

So, if you don't think the CR is blatantly overpowered, I have a question for you. Two, in fact.

Firstly, do you play the game?

If your answer to that question is yes, and you steadfastly believe that the CR is not the supreme rifle, then I have a second question: Do you use it?

The combat rifle has everything. It has fantastic damage output, the best damage profile in the game, an excellent fire rate, a solid range, good damage per clip, fast reload and the lowest fitting requirements of any rifle.
The only rifle arguably capable of competing with the sheer damage the CR can put out is the ScR, which actually has a balancing mechanic attached to it in the form of overheat.

It baffles me how anyone can believe that it's balanced against the other rifles.

I imagine you would have been lost at elementary arithmetic.
Oh hey, you were.

Oh, sorry, are people using the CR automatically so terrible that they always miss enough bullets to cripple them to the levels of other weapons?

The CR is superior in practically every way. Situational variables won't affect that in the slightest.

It slightly does when 5 guys with CR are shooting at the same direction...

It was the same story in 1.7 when everyone specced into RR

AR before that... All the AR is OP thread composers were writing RR is OP now CR is OP

CR is a much better Rifle... More like the new Jack of all trades...

Oh, sorry, are people using the CR automatically so terrible that they always miss enough bullets to cripple them to the levels of other weapons?

The CR is superior in practically every way. Situational variables won't affect that in the slightest.

The new jack of all trades that is eminently superior in all trades. To use an epithet, the master of all trades.

Also, what exactly about 5 people with CRs shooting in the same direction will make the CR worse?

the math he's stating is as follows, every bullet hits, is based on a variable fire rate weapon that is different per user/turbo controller, it's a 1 on 1, there is no cover, no resistances, doesn't account for the other weapons being used in the game currently, etc.

what is the point, this is never a realistic scenario that ever occurs in the game.

is the combat rifle balanced when compared to mass drivers? how about the laser rifle? the four racial rifles aren't the only thing we need to balance( if balancing was even required ).

I just don't get what the point is, he brings up the dps of the scrambler rifle an anti shield high alpha long range rifle, versus a burst fire anti-armor mid-range rifle.

both weapons are amazing I use them both, their difference in dps is the smallest part of the difference between these two rifles.

the math he's stating is as follows, every bullet hits, is based on a variable fire rate weapon that is different per user/turbo controller, it's a 1 on 1, there is no cover, no resistances, doesn't account for the other weapons being used in the game currently, etc.

what is the point, this is never a realistic scenario that ever occurs in the game.

is the combat rifle balanced when compared to mass drivers? how about the laser rifle? the four racial rifles aren't the only thing we need to balance( if balancing was even required ).

I just don't get what the point is, he brings up the dps of the scrambler rifle an anti shield high alpha long range rifle, versus a burst fire anti-armor mid-range rifle.

both weapons are amazing I use them both, their difference in dps is the smallest part of the difference between these two rifles.

sure the combat rifle could beat the scrambler rifle user at mid range, but the scrambler rifle could also drop them with a single shot before they even get to pull a trigger.

You miss the point completely. Of course you can't calculate everything that happens in a match.
But if something is so obviously superior in every aspect you can quite clearly show that.

You bring up role definition with 'burst fire anti-armour mid-range rifle' vs 'anti shield high alpha long range rifle'.
Yet the CR will do more damage against shields than the SCR will. The CR will do more damage at range than the SCR will - despite the shorter range the higher damage compensates for the falloff.
The SCR has a better alpha capability in the form of the charge shot, I'll give you that, but the CR will outpace it on damage within moments.

Also, 'the scrambler rifle could also drop them with a single shot before they even get to pull a trigger' if you're OHKOing anything with a scrambler rifle apart from militia suits I'd be surprised. Have you actually used the weapon beyond maybe a couple of matches against terribads?

When you make statements like this then it is very hard to trust anything you say.

Funny how he blew up my tank, when i don't even use it... Yet i see him dropping uplinks close by and running back to the redline... Farm WP and never bother fighting... Players like those should still remain in Academy... But some might say He is Logi who is doing favor by spamming bunch of uplinks lol

P.S: it's also funny how he needs a GF to help him argue

#1 you are a proto-stomping crutcher who isn't worth a nickle without a squad, I do rememebr killing you, and I do remember you in a tank or dropship at one point.

#2 Last battle I went 21/0 using a heavy with HMG (oh I only run militia/standard gear on combat fits btw). I do what the team needs, and if that is uplinks I do that. You can ask anyone, I do what the team needs. Sorry that your COD mentality can't understand tactics, or really basic math.....

It's true because I've done it.