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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:42:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:not all guns should be engaged equally.
for example if you are facing a shot gun you DO not engage in close range.
like wise you do not engage a combat rifle in medium range.
a rail rifle at medium long
stand in the open against sniper rifle
run at an hmg
hide behind a box against a mass driver
hack with a knife around
chase a scout with re's
shoot a tank with your assault rifle
etc.
combat rifle is a pretty strong gun right now, but it's nothing compared to the guns we've had in the past, it's fine as it is.
also it's an anti armor and everyone and their dog armor tanks, when I shield tank I pretty near always beat combat rifles.
Well said... Specially everyone and their dogs armor tanking... Specially Shield suits...
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:34:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Master Smurf wrote:A recent Recruit wrote:When an Amarr Scout with a standard CR can brazenly solo a 27million. SP Amarr Heavy with 1100 EHP and a completely maxed out basic HMG with 3% Damage Mod at close range, you know something is wrong, especially as strafing as a heavy isnt even an option. And when a bpo scout with a militia shotgun and lv1 cloak kills him what is your answer to that? - If the Amarr scout kept moving and the heavy isnt turning and engaging quickly enough thats his fault. Ammar have built in resistance (15% at Lv5) to the CR All rifles (maybe not AR too well) can deal with Heavies if they keep their range, if they stray a few metres too close they will be fish food in an instant. I do think the RR should get back a little pop but be even harder to hipfire aim, AR should get damage but sharper fall off and obviously the HMG and SMG should have gotten a nerf as well. - There is always 2.0 Combat rifle can kill heavies before they can react Even cal heavies
Can i buy that on the AUR store ?! |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:38:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:OP is right on the money. Here is how much damage each weapon does (at standard) without a turbo controller:
AR 375 DPS CR 540 DPS ScR 433 DPS RR 361 DPS
Here is damage per effective magazine (ScR overheat is effectively a magazine)
AR 1800 damage CR 1458 damage ScR 1040 damage RR 1974 damage
Here is the damage per trigger pull of similar weaponry types at proto (RR has no equivelent)
duvolle TacAR 69.3 damage Viziam scrambler 71.5 damage Boundless Comabt Rifle 89.1 damage
CR has the best damage profile and the least fitting requirements.
CR has 15 meters longer range than the AR, but only ten less meter range than the ScR and RR (at standard).
CR doesn't overheat.
These are all facts, add them up and the CR is incredibly OP.
EDIT: Oh and the only SMG that does more damage per shot than the CR is the breach SMG, the breach SMG has a rate of fire of 535, less than half of the 1200 RPM CR.
Oh you are back with your numbers ?! Do you even play this game or love that calculator more than the DS3... everytime i see you are either spamming some uplinks on random places and hiding behind the redline.. You dont even snipe... You just sit there and get WP.... Must be nice to come here and crunch numbers and give high and mighty ideas on everything... |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:12:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:OP is right on the money. Here is how much damage each weapon does (at standard) without a turbo controller:
AR 375 DPS CR 540 DPS ScR 433 DPS RR 361 DPS
Here is damage per effective magazine (ScR overheat is effectively a magazine)
AR 1800 damage CR 1458 damage ScR 1040 damage RR 1974 damage
Here is the damage per trigger pull of similar weaponry types at proto (RR has no equivelent)
duvolle TacAR 69.3 damage Viziam scrambler 71.5 damage Boundless Comabt Rifle 89.1 damage
CR has the best damage profile and the least fitting requirements.
CR has 15 meters longer range than the AR, but only ten less meter range than the ScR and RR (at standard).
CR doesn't overheat.
These are all facts, add them up and the CR is incredibly OP.
EDIT: Oh and the only SMG that does more damage per shot than the CR is the breach SMG, the breach SMG has a rate of fire of 535, less than half of the 1200 RPM CR. Oh you are back with your numbers ?! Do you even play this game or love that calculator more than the DS3... everytime i see you are either spamming some uplinks on random places and hiding behind the redline.. You dont even snipe... You just sit there and get WP.... Must be nice to come here and crunch numbers and give high and mighty ideas on everything... Lol, ok bud. I knew there was a reason I ignore your post. Are you upset because I blew up your tank, or the fact that I killed your protosuit with standard gear? Also, you do realize how stupid you sound right? Saying things like "dur hur numbers OMG dur hur" makes you sound like the knuckle dragging, tank-spamming, proto-squad crutcher that you are. Go back to COD moron.
LOL my tank lmfao my tank....... You lost me there |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:18:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:-snip mostly good posting- Oh you are back with your numbers ?! Do you even play this game or love that calculator more than the DS3... everytime i see you are either spamming some uplinks on random places and hiding behind the redline.. You dont even snipe... You just sit there and get WP.... Must be nice to come here and crunch numbers and give high and mighty ideas on everything... Ah yes, the 'numbers are irrelevant get good scrub' argument. So, if you don't think the CR is blatantly overpowered, I have a question for you. Two, in fact. Firstly, do you play the game? If your answer to that question is yes, and you steadfastly believe that the CR is not the supreme rifle, then I have a second question: Do you use it? The combat rifle has everything. It has fantastic damage output, the best damage profile in the game, an excellent fire rate, a solid range, good damage per clip, fast reload and the lowest fitting requirements of any rifle. The only rifle arguably capable of competing with the sheer damage the CR can put out is the ScR, which actually has a balancing mechanic attached to it in the form of overheat. It baffles me how anyone can believe that it's balanced against the other rifles.
Never said it's balanced...
Other than laser and PLC i have all the weapons at prof 5
i would like CCP to do something about the AR, specially a red dot sight
CR can fight the RR at almost 60+m... That ROF usually beats RR user, unless the CR user is using a scout suit...
CR is better scout, much better than SG imo
Btw SCR isn't doing very well against all the Armor tanked people. I'm usually forced to switch to SMG when the Shields are down.. I have better luck at taking out Heavies with SMG than using the SCR...
RR is great where it's at right now... All the RR QQ has been reduced...
CR vs SCR mmm it would depend on the suit that the CR user and SCR user is wearing...
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:NAV HIV wrote:
LOL my tank lmfao my tank....... You lost me there
I imagine you would have been lost at elementary arithmetic. Oh hey, you were.
Funny how he blew up my tank, when i don't even use it... Yet i see him dropping uplinks close by and running back to the redline... Farm WP and never bother fighting... Players like those should still remain in Academy... But some might say He is Logi who is doing favor by spamming bunch of uplinks lol |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1609
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:22:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:calisk galern wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:-snip- if only we all played dust over in math land where every bullet hits, everyone starts firing at the same time, and no other variables are applied ^^ Oh, sorry, are people using the CR automatically so terrible that they always miss enough bullets to cripple them to the levels of other weapons? The CR is superior in practically every way. Situational variables won't affect that in the slightest.
It slightly does when 5 guys with CR are shooting at the same direction...
It was the same story in 1.7 when everyone specced into RR
AR before that... All the AR is OP thread composers were writing RR is OP now CR is OP
CR is a much better Rifle... More like the new Jack of all trades... |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1610
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:calisk galern wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:-snip- if only we all played dust over in math land where every bullet hits, everyone starts firing at the same time, and no other variables are applied ^^ Oh, sorry, are people using the CR automatically so terrible that they always miss enough bullets to cripple them to the levels of other weapons? The CR is superior in practically every way. Situational variables won't affect that in the slightest. It slightly does when 5 guys with CR are shooting at the same direction... It was the same story in 1.7 when everyone specced into RR AR before that... All the AR is OP thread composers were writing RR is OP now CR is OP CR is a much better Rifle... More like the new Jack of all trades... The new jack of all trades that is eminently superior in all trades. To use an epithet, the master of all trades. Also, what exactly about 5 people with CRs shooting in the same direction will make the CR worse?
Nope it makes the tears flow longer.... Everyone is using it, cause it is better to use it.. If you have the SP then why not.. But like i said, It was the case of QQ about RR, SCR, AR and so on... It's a cycle and it'll never end...
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1610
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:44:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:calisk galern wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:-snip- if only we all played dust over in math land where every bullet hits, everyone starts firing at the same time, and no other variables are applied ^^ Oh, sorry, are people using the CR automatically so terrible that they always miss enough bullets to cripple them to the levels of other weapons? The CR is superior in practically every way. Situational variables won't affect that in the slightest. the math he's stating is as follows, every bullet hits, is based on a variable fire rate weapon that is different per user/turbo controller, it's a 1 on 1, there is no cover, no resistances, doesn't account for the other weapons being used in the game currently, etc. what is the point, this is never a realistic scenario that ever occurs in the game. is the combat rifle balanced when compared to mass drivers? how about the laser rifle? the four racial rifles aren't the only thing we need to balance( if balancing was even required ). I just don't get what the point is, he brings up the dps of the scrambler rifle an anti shield high alpha long range rifle, versus a burst fire anti-armor mid-range rifle. both weapons are amazing I use them both, their difference in dps is the smallest part of the difference between these two rifles.
Well said... Now let's hope he will crunch the numbers, would use 16 v 16 player scenario, with other weapons, side arms, grenades, tanks, dropships, Lav, Type of Map, Type of Infrastructure in the Map, Player type, player skills, Squad work, team work, solo ninja stuff, CQC, Long Range, Type of Suit, Type of Resistance on the suit... lol |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1611
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:21:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:NAV HIV wrote:
LOL my tank lmfao my tank....... You lost me there
I imagine you would have been lost at elementary arithmetic. Oh hey, you were. Funny how he blew up my tank, when i don't even use it... Yet i see him dropping uplinks close by and running back to the redline... Farm WP and never bother fighting... Players like those should still remain in Academy... But some might say He is Logi who is doing favor by spamming bunch of uplinks lol P.S: it's also funny how he needs a GF to help him argue #1 you are a proto-stomping crutcher who isn't worth a nickle without a squad, I do rememebr killing you, and I do remember you in a tank or dropship at one point. #2 Last battle I went 21/0 using a heavy with HMG (oh I only run militia/standard gear on combat fits btw). I do what the team needs, and if that is uplinks I do that. You can ask anyone, I do what the team needs. Sorry that your COD mentality can't understand tactics, or really basic math.....
# 1 .... I have the SP and ISK to use it...
# 2 ... I do better without a squad...
# 3 ... What did you use for my so called tank? Me flying a DS is a bigger joke than you are
# 4... LOL COD mentality ?! Can't handle competition i guess. Must be a Pro Farmville player...
# 5... Dont even bother asking about me... I'm a COD playing scrub... Just a little better than you |
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1611
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:23:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Master Smurf wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Combat rifle can kill heavies before they can react Even cal heavies
When you make statements like this then it is very hard to trust anything you say. It's true because I've done it.
I've meleed a heavy too... Nerf that melee damage pls... |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:29:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:So I guess this is self-apparent, but I think without a doubt NAV HIV is just a troll, or a 10 year old. Welcome back to ignore land.
Anyway, these are the FACTS about the CR:
Most DPS (without turbo controller) (125% more than the next closest) Most sustained damage Most damage per trigger pull {125% of the next closest) Best damage profile (102.5% avg damage, lol 5% penalty to shields) Easiest to fit Only 10 M less range at standard (meaning it does almost as much damage @ 65M as the RR)
These are undeniable. If you can honestly look at that and say it isn't OP.... well you don not care about balance at all, only your crutch.
it's apparent that you are just a SCRUB... Get the SP and and spec into the weapon if you hate it so much... I'm sure even with spraying and praying with all the bullets, you can barely get any kills... Must be nice crunching numbers from Lalala land... |
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