Minmatar are KINGS of positional advantage.

i chose where i fight
i chose when i fight
i chose where your standing
i chose where im standing

i choose to shoot you in the back and run when you turn around, only to start shooting you in the back again from a different direction. If i sence the fight is going bad, i ******* run for it. If you are farming my blues... i farm you farming my blues.

Minmatar are the best suit for controlling an engaement, from positions to flanks, to manuvering to disengageing a bad fight minmatar control it all.

As minmatar if you end up in a bad fight its because you screwed up not because the suit underperformed. It has a very high skill cap mostly due to its lower EHP and the fact that its proper use relies heavily on the tactical planning of the user.

"But anything minmatar can do X can do better!"

nope, that speed and now that staminma regeneration is absolutly KEY to positional advantage, maintaining .5-1.5m/s advantage over an oposing force is HUGE. other suits have to expend alot of their suits other resources to compair and at that point they lose all the other advantages their native suit brings to the table in exchange, leaving minmatar with the advantage still.

Positional advantage is a complicated mistriss with a REALLY high margin of error, its no easy mode but when you start using it to your advantage you start to figure out that only minmatar can truly live up to your standards.


dont get into a stand up firefight, lose and then call minmatar underpowered... its not the suit its you. you picked a bad fight, you stayed to long, you commited to soon, you screwed it up. Minmatar suits (assault especially) rely on your ability to manuver and position yourself relative to your oponents, they excel in gaining and maintaining positional advantage and losing a fight in the suit is usually becuase you picked a bad position, failed to move where or when you should have, or alowed yourself to get outflanked and overrun. all of wich arnt the suits fault... its yours.

Its not a brawling suit, dont treat it like one and you wont be disapointed.

I just don't think they're getting enough speed for the HP they sacrifice. Yes, you can get an amazing speed tank with Kin Cats, but its incredibly PG intensive.

Slightly increase their speed, excluding the Min Scout, and increase the PG of the Min Scout by just a little.

say that to the inviso-scouts. scouts are positional masters. since scouts have lower profiles and speed. and any races scout can do this. so, no. minmatar ARENOT the masters of position. when you compair them to the same suits of the same teir, their speed is marginal at best. however, since assault suits and heavies are desinged to brawl, their is an issue. the speed is nice, but not enough to give a significant advantage.

scouts = speed

Hooray for bad grammer...

Can I ask you something seriously? Why is it always "increase minmatar PG" rather than decrease kin-cat PG requirements? I honestly don't understand it.

Minmatar have the least PG and the most CPU(should be 2nd most CPU and 2nd least PG), this is to reflect their high-slot bias, but none of you ever address the PG requirements of shields and kin-cats.... you only want a buff for the minmatar suits. Why is that? Do you think that you guys should be the only ones who can easily fit kin-cats??

Hooray for bad grammer...

say that to the inviso-scouts. scouts are positional masters. since scouts have lower profiles and speed. and any races scout can do this. so, no. minmatar ARENOT the masters of position. when you compair them to the same suits of the same teir, their speed is marginal at best. however, since assault suits and heavies are desinged to brawl, their is an issue. the speed is nice, but not enough to give a significant advantage.

scouts = speed

Couldn't you play another racial dropsuit the same way and be nearly as effective? You are talking about a style of play that is not really exclusive to the Minmatar, namely flank and sneak attack. I am not Minmatar and I play flanky when not in a vehicle.

As I've said a few moments ago, the only problems with Minmatar suits is the fact that speed tanking is negated by the sprinting glitch and snare effects (which just about everyone agrees is a problem), and the fact that it has a lower shield regen rate than the Caldari, while claiming to be the hit-and-run race.

Fix these issues, and you'll see vast, non-gamebreaking improvements.

Correct. Any suit is a flank suit. Minmatar are a little bit better simply because of speed and they can't survive on the front lines. That doesn't make the Minmatar assault a good flank suit though. Sure it's good at repositioning but if you're a halfway intelligent player it doesn't matter what you're wearing you're doing that anyway.

positional advantage isnt speed tanking.

caldari isnt hit and run, its hit and take cover.


hit and run doesnt need high shield regen becuase your running away faster then they can keep up, around corners and cover, repositionaing again and again, drawing them into positions where they overextend. you can kite them forever untill your shields are fully recharged and re-engage at your will.

i dont think people really understand what hit and run means so lets rephrase it, hit and retreat. never get into a fight you cant saftly retreat from and you wont need higher shield regen.

Increasing one suit's PG is a buff to a singular suit. Decreasing a module fitting cost is a buff to many suits.

The goal is to bring Minmatar in line in terms of fitting rather than widen the gap.

By definition of the suit you just gave I would call it a brawler (personally), but you are right the Minmatar suits and respective weaponry is all about the controllig the engagement. If a Minmatar is engaging you chances are your already dead, you just don't know it yet.

However that's not to say the Minnie suits couldn't do wih a facelift. We need a better slot layout, 4/4 would be perfect, also a buff to either shield regen or regulation would be nice, especially since they gave BOTH to caldari

Can I ask you something seriously? Why is it always "increase minmatar PG" rather than decrease kin-cat PG requirements? I honestly don't understand it.

Minmatar have the least PG and the most CPU(should be 2nd most CPU and 2nd least PG), this is to reflect their high-slot bias, but none of you ever address the PG requirements of shields and kin-cats.... you only want a buff for the minmatar suits. Why is that? Do you think that you guys should be the only ones who can easily fit kin-cats??

I just don't think they're getting enough speed for the HP they sacrifice. Yes, you can get an amazing speed tank with Kin Cats, but its incredibly PG intensive.

Slightly increase their speed, excluding the Min Scout, and increase the PG of the Min Scout by just a little.

Honestly the PG of shields don't bother. It's not too bad. It's kin cats when compared to cardiac regulators where the PG is like omfg stupid PG! I think we mainly say give more PG because if you stack kin cats you can't really fit anything else. Speed tanking is very much sacrifice everything else from weapon, health, equipment for crazy speed. I won't lie though the speed has gotten me out of sticky situations but I've also gotten killed by high DPS weapons where my body just freezes up. Since I'm extra squishy from having all the speed, I die faster than the other scouts around me.

That's probably the only qualm people have with Minmatar Scout.

Minmatar are KINGS of positional advantage.

i chose where i fight
i chose when i fight
i chose where your standing
i chose where im standing

i choose to shoot you in the back and run when you turn around, only to start shooting you in the back again from a different direction. If i sence the fight is going bad, i ******* run for it. If you are farming my blues... i farm you farming my blues.

Minmatar are the best suit for controlling an engaement, from positions to flanks, to manuvering to disengageing a bad fight minmatar control it all.

As minmatar if you end up in a bad fight its because you screwed up not because the suit underperformed. It has a very high skill cap mostly due to its lower EHP and the fact that its proper use relies heavily on the tactical planning of the user.

"But anything minmatar can do X can do better!"

nope, that speed and now that staminma regeneration is absolutly KEY to positional advantage, maintaining .5-1.5m/s advantage over an oposing force is HUGE. other suits have to expend alot of their suits other resources to compair and at that point they lose all the other advantages their native suit brings to the table in exchange, leaving minmatar with the advantage still.

Positional advantage is a complicated mistriss with a REALLY high margin of error, its no easy mode but when you start using it to your advantage you start to figure out that only minmatar can truly live up to your standards.


dont get into a stand up firefight, lose and then call minmatar underpowered... its not the suit its you. you picked a bad fight, you stayed to long, you commited to soon, you screwed it up. Minmatar suits (assault especially) rely on your ability to manuver and position yourself relative to your oponents, they excel in gaining and maintaining positional advantage and losing a fight in the suit is usually becuase you picked a bad position, failed to move where or when you should have, or alowed yourself to get outflanked and overrun. all of wich arnt the suits fault... its yours.

Its not a brawling suit, dont treat it like one and you wont be disapointed.

the key to the speed is that you use it to ensure you dont get shot at in the first place.

positional advantage is about making sure that each and every single fight you have involves you shooting them without them shooting you back. if they so much as point a weapon at you you turn tail and GTFO to either set up in a position to finish them off when they try to advance on your previous position, or to flank and try to re-engage them from a completly different direction.

the speed is key to that as it means you have your position and you weapons ready and pointed before the enemy can get their barings on your position each and every single time you fight, and if things even give the slightist whiff of going not so perfectly in your favor you can high tail it out of there and theres nothing they can do to stop you as tehy would have to be able to catch you first.

I try to run from heavies. :( I only get away if there's somewhere for me to jump down to and even then I probably die from fall damage. The good thing about being speedy though is I'm able to get in closer before the person can react and then knife them up.