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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:03:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Minmatar are KINGS of positional advantage.
i chose where i fight i chose when i fight i chose where your standing i chose where im standing
i choose to shoot you in the back and run when you turn around, only to start shooting you in the back again from a different direction. If i sence the fight is going bad, i ******* run for it. If you are farming my blues... i farm you farming my blues.
Minmatar are the best suit for controlling an engaement, from positions to flanks, to manuvering to disengageing a bad fight minmatar control it all.
As minmatar if you end up in a bad fight its because you screwed up not because the suit underperformed. It has a very high skill cap mostly due to its lower EHP and the fact that its proper use relies heavily on the tactical planning of the user.
"But anything minmatar can do X can do better!"
nope, that speed and now that staminma regeneration is absolutly KEY to positional advantage, maintaining .5-1.5m/s advantage over an oposing force is HUGE. other suits have to expend alot of their suits other resources to compair and at that point they lose all the other advantages their native suit brings to the table in exchange, leaving minmatar with the advantage still.
Positional advantage is a complicated mistriss with a REALLY high margin of error, its no easy mode but when you start using it to your advantage you start to figure out that only minmatar can truly live up to your standards.
dont get into a stand up firefight, lose and then call minmatar underpowered... its not the suit its you. you picked a bad fight, you stayed to long, you commited to soon, you screwed it up. Minmatar suits (assault especially) rely on your ability to manuver and position yourself relative to your oponents, they excel in gaining and maintaining positional advantage and losing a fight in the suit is usually becuase you picked a bad position, failed to move where or when you should have, or alowed yourself to get outflanked and overrun. all of wich arnt the suits fault... its yours.
Its not a brawling suit, dont treat it like one and you wont be disapointed.
Holy crap, someone who uses the suit to it's advantages rather than shoehorning... +1 to you good sir.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:13:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:I just don't think they're getting enough speed for the HP they sacrifice. Yes, you can get an amazing speed tank with Kin Cats, but its incredibly PG intensive.
Slightly increase their speed, excluding the Min Scout, and increase the PG of the Min Scout by just a little.
Can I ask you something seriously? Why is it always "increase minmatar PG" rather than decrease kin-cat PG requirements? I honestly don't understand it.
Minmatar have the least PG and the most CPU(should be 2nd most CPU and 2nd least PG), this is to reflect their high-slot bias, but none of you ever address the PG requirements of shields and kin-cats.... you only want a buff for the minmatar suits. Why is that? Do you think that you guys should be the only ones who can easily fit kin-cats??
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:15:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:say that to the inviso-scouts. scouts are positional masters. since scouts have lower profiles and speed. and any races scout can do this. so, no. minmatar ARENOT the masters of position. when you compair them to the same suits of the same teir, their speed is marginal at best. however, since assault suits and heavies are desinged to brawl, their is an issue. the speed is nice, but not enough to give a significant advantage.
scouts = speed
Here is your classic example of someone wanting to shoehorn their suit into a role it wasn't intended for. Rather than use the suits properly, or god forbid train into a suit that would fit their wanted style, they petition CCP to change the game.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:42:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:I just don't think they're getting enough speed for the HP they sacrifice. Yes, you can get an amazing speed tank with Kin Cats, but its incredibly PG intensive.
Slightly increase their speed, excluding the Min Scout, and increase the PG of the Min Scout by just a little. Can I ask you something seriously? Why is it always "increase minmatar PG" rather than decrease kin-cat PG requirements? I honestly don't understand it. Minmatar have the least PG and the most CPU(should be 2nd most CPU and 2nd least PG), this is to reflect their high-slot bias, but none of you ever address the PG requirements of shields and kin-cats.... you only want a buff for the minmatar suits. Why is that? Do you think that you guys should be the only ones who can easily fit kin-cats?? Increasing one suit's PG is a buff to a singular suit. Decreasing a module fitting cost is a buff to many suits. The goal is to bring Minmatar in line in terms of fitting rather than widen the gap.
But you do know that caldari suits also have PG problem, and amarr especially have PG problems (aside from the soon to be re-aligned assault.)
IT has been said over and over aagain that there is no reason why complex shield extenders take only 1 less PG than complex plates. OR why a complex kin-cat takes more PG than a complex plate.
Anyway, at least your weapons take under 11 PG AT STANDARD. There is no reason to boost minmatar PG other than to maybe switch it with caldari.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:34:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote: Player skill and suit design are teo different things.
If you are simply better than another player you can win with almost anything. But if they have relatively decent skill compared to yours and a better suit you May lose alot of engagements.
Speed balances with stamina. Ehp balances with regen.
Nope
D legendary hero wrote: the problem is that other suits have 10000eho and can stil do my job better.
Also nope, you obviously didn't read the OP.
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