say that to the inviso-scouts. scouts are positional masters. since scouts have lower profiles and speed. and any races scout can do this. so, no. minmatar ARENOT the masters of position. when you compair them to the same suits of the same teir, their speed is marginal at best. however, since assault suits and heavies are desinged to brawl, their is an issue. the speed is nice, but not enough to give a significant advantage.

scouts = speed

As I've said a few moments ago, the only problems with Minmatar suits is the fact that speed tanking is negated by the sprinting glitch and snare effects (which just about everyone agrees is a problem), and the fact that it has a lower shield regen rate than the Caldari, while claiming to be the hit-and-run race.

Fix these issues, and you'll see vast, non-gamebreaking improvements.

Correct. Any suit is a flank suit. Minmatar are a little bit better simply because of speed and they can't survive on the front lines. That doesn't make the Minmatar assault a good flank suit though. Sure it's good at repositioning but if you're a halfway intelligent player it doesn't matter what you're wearing you're doing that anyway.

By definition of the suit you just gave I would call it a brawler (personally), but you are right the Minmatar suits and respective weaponry is all about the controllig the engagement. If a Minmatar is engaging you chances are your already dead, you just don't know it yet.

However that's not to say the Minnie suits couldn't do wih a facelift. We need a better slot layout, 4/4 would be perfect, also a buff to either shield regen or regulation would be nice, especially since they gave BOTH to caldari

Honestly the PG of shields don't bother. It's not too bad. It's kin cats when compared to cardiac regulators where the PG is like omfg stupid PG! I think we mainly say give more PG because if you stack kin cats you can't really fit anything else. Speed tanking is very much sacrifice everything else from weapon, health, equipment for crazy speed. I won't lie though the speed has gotten me out of sticky situations but I've also gotten killed by high DPS weapons where my body just freezes up. Since I'm extra squishy from having all the speed, I die faster than the other scouts around me.

That's probably the only qualm people have with Minmatar Scout.

I try to run from heavies. :( I only get away if there's somewhere for me to jump down to and even then I probably die from fall damage. The good thing about being speedy though is I'm able to get in closer before the person can react and then knife them up.

Strafe speed bro, strafe speed.

And DMG mod.

Also the Gal.Heavy will receive the nerf bat sooner or later.

Wait. Youre saying all suits dont play the same?

WTF CCP LLZ NERF

^^this.

If it requiera greater skill to play minmatar as the op said. then playing another race will make you all the more effective.


Essentially the op is saying to play minmatar you have to just better than the enemy. But Isnt that a generic goal by default of any race?

Have you noticed that the description on allsentinels are the same?
I have been advancing increasing the reatorative abilities of minmatar to aid them in hit and run. They cnt really do this.

Again, you must understand that movement apeed and run apeed are not the same thing. Movement soeed atays the same regardless of how many kincats you have. Right now minmatar have a movement speed that is .3 m/s higher than Valente and caldari. The fastest thing in this game are bullets and with low ehp, loa recovery and margonal speed you cannot win engagements.

You are correct that positioning and timing play key roles in taking out enemies. However these are tactics. Your op simply reenforced that to play minmatar you kust be a better player than your opponenta. But, if you have to be better than them to Qin youbwould be more effective in a caldari or galente suit.
As far as the suits and their design goes we both know what scouts, assaults, and heavies are designed for. They Each have inique qualities.

Ir heavies
Galente rep and tank.
Amar tank
Caldari shield recharge and have long range weaponry.

Lorewise minmatar are supposed to be close range fighters (Valente are close range too). The minmatar sentinel is not fast ebough to keep up with m+¬dium frames, nor does it have high regen. So what does it do?

What positioning is a heavy doing against a faster m+¬dium frame? Especailly with poor passives?

Comparing suits you can See the inequality.

This sounds all great in theory and on paper blah blah blah. However, there multiple problems with this statement

1.) This form of shield passive slaying playstyle does not exist in PC because it does not work.

2.) If someone is going to br perimeter they're either going to be a logi or a commando

3.) I get what you're saying, but the current maps and game mechanics don't allow what you're proposing

As for the Minmatar portion,

I agree with almost everything you're saying.

I laugh at this. OP is deluded if he thinks that min got positional advantage. .3m/sec in speed bonus is negated by a rail charge traveling 1500 m/sec.

lol

minmatar sentinel 3.645 m/s
gallente sentinel 3.465 m/s

yes, that 0.2 m/s more will make you ninja evade all damage for sure.

deluded scrubs are deluded

You are never going to convince the bad players they are simply bad. And the majority of players are, in fact, god awful.

No, they are bad. You know this. No need to be kind about it.

Fighting games have taught me something important over the years. Most people are trapped at a level they do not see an escape from, and to cope with this inferiority complex they construct a maze of lies and excuses for their mind to become comfortable in. It is far easier than admitting something is wrong with themselves.

Forcing a person to admit to a weakness in character is almost always met with a violent reaction, rather than a constructive one. Even if a person is talented they can still live in this prison of excuses. The ones who can escape this prison, with assistance or without, are the rare breed of competitive player you typically see at the top. They share this area with other such individuals who have natural talent, and may or may not have adopted the proper mindset for improvement.

But these people are rare. We are talking maybe 1% of any playerbase. Most people are bad. Terrible. God, effing awful. They might or might not be able to improve, but as they do not possess the personality required to escape their own prison, they will likely stay where they are.

And that is the why the majority of people say stupid things like "Minmatar suits are bad."

Because, excuses.

and the difference will still be marginal.