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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:42:00 -
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These people will always underestimate speed.
They can't see past the RAW EHP RAWR.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:59:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Minmatar are KINGS of positional advantage.
i chose where i fight i chose when i fight i chose where your standing i chose where im standing
i choose to shoot you in the back and run when you turn around, only to start shooting you in the back again from a different direction. If i sence the fight is going bad, i ******* run for it. If you are farming my blues... i farm you farming my blues.
Minmatar are the best suit for controlling an engaement, from positions to flanks, to manuvering to disengageing a bad fight minmatar control it all.
As minmatar if you end up in a bad fight its because you screwed up not because the suit underperformed. It has a very high skill cap mostly due to its lower EHP and the fact that its proper use relies heavily on the tactical planning of the user.
"But anything minmatar can do X can do better!"
nope, that speed and now that staminma regeneration is absolutly KEY to positional advantage, maintaining .5-1.5m/s advantage over an oposing force is HUGE. other suits have to expend alot of their suits other resources to compair and at that point they lose all the other advantages their native suit brings to the table in exchange, leaving minmatar with the advantage still.
Positional advantage is a complicated mistriss with a REALLY high margin of error, its no easy mode but when you start using it to your advantage you start to figure out that only minmatar can truly live up to your standards.
dont get into a stand up firefight, lose and then call minmatar underpowered... its not the suit its you. you picked a bad fight, you stayed to long, you commited to soon, you screwed it up. Minmatar suits (assault especially) rely on your ability to manuver and position yourself relative to your oponents, they excel in gaining and maintaining positional advantage and losing a fight in the suit is usually becuase you picked a bad position, failed to move where or when you should have, or alowed yourself to get outflanked and overrun. all of wich arnt the suits fault... its yours.
Its not a brawling suit, dont treat it like one and you wont be disapointed.
You are never going to convince the bad players they are simply bad. And the majority of players are, in fact, god awful. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:07:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
You are never going to convince the bad players they are simply bad. And the majority of players are, in fact, god awful.
i wouldnt say bad as much as i would say that they are follow the leader types.
they mirror popular opinion, it happens every day to all of us in some way shape or form.
minmatar is only really woth it if you NEED that speed. a good way to tell is putting a kin cat on any suit, and if your suddenly able to do more then you just may be better suited to minmatar suits. Its a particular playstyle and it really only make a difference being minmatar when you can make use of it.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
3468
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:17:00 -
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No, they are bad. You know this. No need to be kind about it.
Fighting games have taught me something important over the years. Most people are trapped at a level they do not see an escape from, and to cope with this inferiority complex they construct a maze of lies and excuses for their mind to become comfortable in. It is far easier than admitting something is wrong with themselves.
Forcing a person to admit to a weakness in character is almost always met with a violent reaction, rather than a constructive one. Even if a person is talented they can still live in this prison of excuses. The ones who can escape this prison, with assistance or without, are the rare breed of competitive player you typically see at the top. They share this area with other such individuals who have natural talent, and may or may not have adopted the proper mindset for improvement.
But these people are rare. We are talking maybe 1% of any playerbase. Most people are bad. Terrible. God, effing awful. They might or might not be able to improve, but as they do not possess the personality required to escape their own prison, they will likely stay where they are.
And that is the why the majority of people say stupid things like "Minmatar suits are bad."
Because, excuses. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:21:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:No, they are bad. You know this. No need to be kind about it.
Fighting games have taught me something important over the years. Most people are trapped at a level they do not see an escape from, and to cope with this inferiority complex they construct a maze of lies and excuses for their mind to become comfortable in. It is far easier than admitting something is wrong with themselves.
Forcing a person to admit to a weakness in character is almost always met with a violent reaction, rather than a constructive one. Even if a person is talented they can still live in this prison of excuses. The ones who can escape this prison, with assistance or without, are the rare breed of competitive player you typically see at the top. They share this area with other such individuals who have natural talent, and may or may not have adopted the proper mindset for improvement.
But these people are rare. We are talking maybe 1% of any playerbase. Most people are bad. Terrible. God, effing awful. They might or might not be able to improve, but as they do not possess the personality required to escape their own prison, they will likely stay where they are.
And that is the why the majority of people say stupid things like "Minmatar suits are bad."
Because, excuses.
i cant help but feel Dunning-Krugar effect has a small part to play as well
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
3468
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:30:00 -
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I'm almost certain of it. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:54:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Jastad wrote:Jack McReady wrote:lets take gallente and minmatar sentinel. according to OPs logic minmatar should be more mobile, right?
oh, lets use a kin cat on the gallente suit... look what I have done here, suddenly the gallente sentinel is as mobile as the minmatar sentinel and still has more EHP after full fit. dont belive me? do the math and you will see. basic math, logic and common sense just countered the OPs point and made him look very stupid...
now before someone claim, the minmatar sentinel can do this too and fit a kincat, well the gallente sentinel has more slots and the PG for it thus in the end will still be better no matter how you try to turn it.
the 7% extra speed accross all minmatar suits is not worth 15% EHP loss after FULL FIT. this was shown and posted millions of times. Strafe speed bro, strafe speed. lol minmatar sentinel 3.645 m/s gallente sentinel 3.465 m/s yes, that 0.2 m/s more will make you ninja evade all damage for sure. deluded scrubs are deluded armor plates lower strafe speed :P and the difference will still be marginal.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:03:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Jastad wrote:Jack McReady wrote:lets take gallente and minmatar sentinel. according to OPs logic minmatar should be more mobile, right?
oh, lets use a kin cat on the gallente suit... look what I have done here, suddenly the gallente sentinel is as mobile as the minmatar sentinel and still has more EHP after full fit. dont belive me? do the math and you will see. basic math, logic and common sense just countered the OPs point and made him look very stupid...
now before someone claim, the minmatar sentinel can do this too and fit a kincat, well the gallente sentinel has more slots and the PG for it thus in the end will still be better no matter how you try to turn it.
the 7% extra speed accross all minmatar suits is not worth 15% EHP loss after FULL FIT. this was shown and posted millions of times. Strafe speed bro, strafe speed. lol minmatar sentinel 3.645 m/s gallente sentinel 3.465 m/s yes, that 0.2 m/s more will make you ninja evade all damage for sure. deluded scrubs are deluded armor plates lower strafe speed :P and the difference will still be marginal.
from practical experiance its really not.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:45:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:lol minmatar sentinel 3.645 m/s gallente sentinel 3.465 m/s yes, that 0.2 m/s more will make you ninja evade all damage for sure. deluded scrubs are deluded
Stacking plate have a double effect on strafe speed.
Sorry, i can see the difference. I'm happy with my min heavy suit.
and when CCP remove the snare effect and the sprint bug, i will be more and more happy.
I will be happy if CCP buff the Min sentinel speed to match the Min Basic heavy frame. But i can't complain right know.
Cal.Heavy-Min.Heavy-Amarr.Heavy
Believe in the FORGE, young padawans
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