I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.

Where's my experience in PC you ask?

How about when NG/PI held 16% of molden heath and we didn't discrict lock.

Yes, I was in NG/PI.

For the whole of what length? Your PC career, from the sounds of it, is based on the past. You're not currently involved. How do you represent me?

I should of added that being a part of a PC corps logistics is honestly enough, and that having a past record in PC isn't unless lengthy. You'd at least have some understanding of how truly low TTK is, as well as the many woes of map design and how changes to stats makes big impacts, or none at all, such as the increase to uplink spawn time.

I know it's hard for current candidates to do anything to fix PC experience with DNS's hands on everyones balls - but didn't that occur because the community is unhealthy due to lack of leaders stepping up? What makes you a good enough leader to step up for a community when you can't step up to PC?

Yes it was in the past, I was in PC from the start or EoN till disctric locking occurred. The reason I'm not in it any longer is the carebear bullshit that happened and the lack of interest given because of it.
PC in its current form needs scrapped and in my opinion discrict lockers need to have their 'hard earned ISK' removed.

They are one of the main problems with this game, npe and general experience of the player base.

This is unacceptable response from a CPM candidate. You gave up. Did Kane give up? District locking was bad, sure, but there was a method in which to pick that lock. Check the history of districts being flipped - during the times of locked many were being flipped by NF.

So I do not find any excuse of care bear acceptable to the abandonment of PC. That is simply people accepting a bad system for what it is and hoping for someone else to fix it. That is not what I want in a CPM.

Kane figured out a way to pick locks, giving PC players content during times where everyone thought PC would die out and battles would stop behind locked doors. You ran. Why should I vote for you?

When did I ever bring up NPE? If I wanted to know your stance on that I could just read the other threads. Stay on topic, please. This is showing you might also have a bad case of ADD. Another trait I wouldn't want in my CPM.

So I will ask, again, why should I, a PC player, vote for you? Because you'll take away my ISK and care more about new players??? "For the growth of the game, you'll care about the new guys."

Feed me that line, more. There are many spots on CPM - not all of them need to focus solely on NPE.

I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.

None of them should focus on the people who purposelly **** the game up.

Sota - Do you actually care about the CPM or is this just another troll thread since the War Room is boring right now? Aside from me, I know that Appia is running as well as Radar (thought not sure if he meets he requirements posted by CCP)

By playing the game - they're ******* it up???? Excuse me, the game mode is called PLANETARY CONQUEST.


Read this and reconsider your stance. You only have yourselves to blame for PC's state.

I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.

Sota - Do you actually care about the CPM or is this just another troll thread since the War Room is boring right now? Aside from me, I know that Appia is running as well as Radar (thought not sure if he meets he requirements posted by CCP)

Its not only PC they play.

This is unacceptable response from a CPM candidate. You gave up. Did Kane give up?

I had planned to run myself and take it seriously, but I can't be bothered to care enough to put that much involvement into this anymore.

But, since I can't, I want someone who can. It's really that simple. If this was a troll thread the OP would of hinted at it.

Leave this thread, you're failed here. I will continue this discussion with people who understand what a topic is and keeps to it. You have likely earned my negative-endorsement, congratulations. I now have a thread to link when people ask me, "Why not him?" "Because he can't even stay on subject, what's he going to tell CCP when we're not looking???"

@Blackjacks - I actually remember your old CPM thread, and you were called out in your lack of participation in the community. Now, my concern is participation in PC - I know you have some, but what are your goals currently with it? It's not important to me that CPM is in a successful PC corp - more so then just being involved.

Actually, he did gave up for quite some time. When EON was at its peak.

Oh my, SoTa, a forumite who thinks too highly of himself and can't seem to keep a character unbanned, doesn't like poor old me? Whatever shall I do!

What are your requirements for a PC vet CPM candidate then?

Don't actually care for 'vet' status - just be active in PC and it's doings.

It's not like I expect EVERY CPM member to have PC experience - it just seems ... most don't even try. Current CPM is a joke, and I'm looking forward to the fresh new batch to work with, and I'm hoping they have something more to say to me other then, "It worked in pubs...."

@Blackjacks - I actually remember your old CPM thread, and you were called out in your lack of participation in the community. Now, my concern is participation in PC - I know you have some, but what are your goals currently with it? It's not important to me that CPM is in a successful PC corp - more so then just being involved.

This is unacceptable response from a CPM candidate. You gave up. Did Kane give up? District locking was bad, sure, but there was a method in which to pick that lock. Check the history of districts being flipped - during the times of locked many were being flipped by NF.

So I do not find any excuse of care bear acceptable to the abandonment of PC. That is simply people accepting a bad system for what it is and hoping for someone else to fix it. That is not what I want in a CPM.

I was actually quite active in the community prior to the CPM0 Selection, but that is not a topic for here, as you yourself have pointed out.

As it stands, I participate in Planetary Conquest. I join forces with many people, generally as a Tanker since that is my primary skill set.

My 'goals' with accord to Planetary Conquest. CPM wise, they are laid out multiple times in my CPM thread, my Feedback Threads, I want PC to be much more... well, just more...

But with regards as to my, or League of Infamy's 'goals' in PC, you'd have to ask the leadership. I stepped down as CEO of The Southern Legion to run for CPM.

How about this, SoTa. I've been doing PC from May 2013 to April 2014
My corp history is pretty well known and can be seen by anyone with an EVE-character.

But this? "So I do not find any excuse of care bear acceptable to the abandonment of PC. "
Who was it that blue'd up with the only competition? Oh, right, you did.
Who was it that removed heir EVE character from corp and publicly announced the RA/N-F deal before anyone had a chance to make it sound pretty? (then got Infantry forcibly removed)

The only 16 person team that could reliably field a competitive team, and even the corps that had regularly used ringers, have been absorbed into a single Alliance. Those that left PC early can have objections to the terrible lag-which is now present in everyone's public contracts- or the simple idea that a small corp can dominate the game and the only counter to them is to wait until they get bored or switch systems or buy a new game so their numbers dwindle.
Only you've all protected yourself from the dwindling numbers problem by huddling up.

Please, Mr Pop SoTa, explain how that is not being a carebear and protecting yourself from anyone that could challenge you?
Instead of the people that left the ****** system before the preeminent carebear example alliance took hold. Are you saying you'll vote for anyone in a corp that was removed from PC or is it you just won't vote for anyone outside DNS?

Appia I just plain don't trust. She claimed loyalty to AE then back stabbed it the instant it made a move she didn't like - that's not a person I will accept representing me. It is a concern that whoever is elected will shape things there way, and she's shown that it's her way - or the high way. Regardless of how she shows herself off as CPM candidate - actions speak louder then words.

Radar isn't running.

Radar isn't running. And Appia has WAAAAAAAAAY more experience in PC than Canari.

I haven't seen Canari in a PC for AE except maybe once. I leave it to AE to tell you how many of their PC's as a percentage contained my name on the opposing side.

I've seen him connected from Eve, but it's a rare occurrence to see him in PC's...at least any in the last 4 months. I say this because I've been playing AE extensively in the past 4 months ringing for everyone AE attacked as well as my own attacks and defenses.

Out of well over 250+ battles in the past few months I've maybe seen him a total of 2-5 times.

Appia appeared in PC over and over for and against AE in comparison.

Also, my main Zatara Rought will be posting my intention to run publicly within the next week or so.

I've played a few PC's in my day, including with Sota.

Appia I just plain don't trust. She claimed loyalty to AE then back stabbed it the instant it made a move she didn't like - that's not a person I will accept representing me. It is a concern that whoever is elected will shape things there way, and she's shown that it's her way - or the high way. Regardless of how she shows herself off as CPM candidate - actions speak louder then words.

And, to be frank, I must of missed over your CPM candidacy, do you have a link? I'd like to go over it. You seem like an interesting choice, much like Radar.

Radar isn't running. And Appia has WAAAAAAAAAY more experience in PC than Canari.

I haven't seen Canari in a PC for AE except maybe once. I leave it to AE to tell you how many of their PC's as a percentage contained my name on the opposing side.

I've seen him connected from Eve, but it's a rare occurrence to see him in PC's...at least any in the last 4 months. I say this because I've been playing AE extensively in the past 4 months ringing for everyone AE attacked as well as my own attacks and defenses.

Out of well over 250+ battles in the past few months I've maybe seen him a total of 2-5 times.

Appia appeared in PC over and over for and against AE in comparison. She's participated as a-team for TP, MHPD, AE, and more. Canari was never on the radar. Madmatt and a few others have been , but unless there's an alt i'm unaware of Canari has never been a regular participant and contributed in the category as Appia.

Eve side I've been aware of him, but never dust side in the tiny bit of experience I've had.

Also, my main Zatara Rought will be posting my intention to run publicly within the next week or so.

I've played a few PC's in my day, including with Sota.

Zatara - like you, I have alts as well. I spent a lot of the war in space since it became obvious that EVE OBs were playing a larger and larger role in determining matches with the adjustment OB timers to allow for the initial drop at OB. AE had plenty of ground troops but a lack of pilots so I went where I was needed. I hardly say that it disqualifies me from understanding PC, how it impacts the game or being an advocate for its players in the CPM. That also doesnt take into account my real world qualifications.

If she can separate her game persona from her CPM one then I have no problem with her candidacy.

As far as my views. You can see my general points in the link in my sig. However, it is for general players as I have not gotten many questions from PC players as f yet.

For PC
- CCP needs to focus on game stability as far as lag and frames-per-second
- Introduction of Skirmish 3.0 to make PC something more than a competitive pub match
- Faster fixes for exploits/glitches

CCP has always said that PC matches represent the ultimate form of combat and a good example to use for balancing weapons and equipment and yet it take months for them to make adjustments that have a positive impact on PC matches. If PC is going to be their halo gamemode then they need to treat it as such.

Aside from that, it would be nice to have some vanity points in PC such as corp logos on flags around the district. Things that give a feel of immersion and that you are defending 'your turf'.

Zatara - like you, I have alts as well. I spent a lot of the war in space since it became obvious that EVE OBs were playing a larger and larger role in determining matches with the adjustment OB timers to allow for the initial drop at OB. AE had plenty of ground troops but a lack of pilots so I went where I was needed. I hardly say that it disqualifies me from understanding PC, how it impacts the game or being an advocate for its players in the CPM. That also doesnt take into account my real world qualifications.

I am not commenting on your ability to understand PC nor that your lack of experience in comparison to Appia "disqualifies me from understanding PC, how it impacts the game or being an advocate for its players in the CPM."

No doubt your willingness to drop eve ob's serves as evidence of your dedication to the game(s).

As Killar suggested, I had to call a spade a spade.

I have no personal vendetta against you, Killar's list was simply a little flawed in my estimation and I expressed it. I'm not sure when you joined AE after pro hic's collective exit, but you weren't a regular in AE's matches to my knowledge pre 1.7 either. MHPD matches, the tourney, any of it.

I will say this, if I'm looking out of candidates you're really going to have to sell me to get me off my current list and add you in one of the last 2 slots open to change

I've been monitoring the thread for bit and this is my first opportunity to post so forgive me for being late to the discussion.

@SoTa... I appreciate your passion and they way you quite directly attack the issues or questions you are posing to the group. That said, i'm struggling to find out what exactly is that type of candidate you are looking for. You are pretty clear on what you don't want or what doesn't interest you but can you list the qualifications or experince level that you are looking for? What facet of PC most concerns you and that you don't think can be properly addressed by many of the candidates?

I've looked into all the current candidates, played with most of them, and done some basic forum research and I don't think any of them don't want PC to be what it was billed as...the persistent, meaningful aspect of Dust that gives high level game play and attracts people to Dust and New Eden. Look at some of their work and see if it's something you can get behind. Example would be Pokey Dravon's PC 2.0 concept.

I'm not trying to derail or disrupt your line of questioning...simply trying to understand more about the context of your statements. That might generate some more informed answers to you.

To be clear, I'm obviously not a CPM candidate, however, I am someone that is working to raise awareness of the CPM, it's actions, and inform the community about the election and candidates. Liked or hated, you are a well known personality in the Dust community and no once questions your desire for the game to be sucessfull in the long term...you just have a thorny way of showing it sometimes. For the record, you would clearly be the sensei i would seek out to learn Troll-Fu from if I every decided to go to the dark side.

I'll...probably look for others that comprise the low hanging fruit to convince when it seems others have found favor with you already.

The game needs candidates who can range from NPE all the way through PC. And the range of candidates we have definitely covers that scope. Personally, I've been in roughly one to two PC matches a week with my alliance for the whole year, ending only with DNS' takeover of PFC. (My alliance has done a lot more, but I try not to lock out other players from getting a spot.) Our alliance has owned and defended territory on Altbrard, Hrober, and Oddelulf.

Thank you for this post. I'm glad too see someone is raising awareness about the candidates, it's one of the reasons I decided to make my presence and interest on this matter finally known, so that I may speak of the candidates with certainty and help guide people to there proper choice. It's a nice hot topic in game, especially in DNS. But I'd also like to find my very own representative.

As for 'qualifications' I lowered them half way through first page, honestly. Asking for a PC active CPM - might be idealistic. It's enough that they're simply involved in a PC corp and it's doing on the PC level - at least have some 1v1 experience with the mechanics your helping fix and show some initiative to getting things done.

I just, really need to know there's at least one CPM like Kane who focuses on PC more then NPE - there's plenty of slots for people who care about NPE to get chosen in - but PC needs a proper representation too from a guy who understands our woes, the problems, and the bugs isolated to the PC experience.

Fair points, SoTa.

I think all but Kevall (who I think is very solid candidate for CPM) have a very solid backgrounds in PC competition and many still play periodically in PC. The practical answer is that there just aren't that many folks invovled in PC any more - which is a huge shame. If they are a member of a Corp or Alliance that isn't active in PC (for any number of reasons) it's pretty tough for them to be ringing and deploying regularly while being in a leadership position. The thing that you might be overlooking is that many of the candidates truly want PC to work and make it competitive. The mechanics now have snowballed baseline issues to the point where many corps and players can't even get on to the field.

You do have a good point about where the focus of the candidate is. I think its a great idea that we have one or two candidates with a deep understanding of PC and they have to be able to relate PC to the rest of the fabric of the game and help CCP understand how to synchronize those facets so the gamemodes themselves don't become imbalanced.

I think you're initial approach was taken as "none of the current candidates can support my subset of the community well enough so they don't belong to be CPMs". It appears that that's clearly not the case and you've pointed out several very viable candidates from the group running - I appreciate you engaging on this and keeping the discussion moving forward.

Damnit, I was going off of what Fox said , also Fixed tyvm

Fiddlestaxp, I agree an ISK reset is out of the question. You can't take away stuff after you defined the rules and given out rewards. CCP was wrong to set the rules as they did, but they can't do anything about that ISK now. However, I think they will make changes that make that ISK less of the incredible advantage it is now. To be honest.

Regarding a new player experience focused CPM, I think you have an obvious option of Kevall Longstride there, from DUST University. He sees more newbies come and go than anyone else. A lot of us are very concerned with NPE, but Kevall's got a lot of first-hand experience and knowledge in new player matters and concerns.

I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.

+1


I want to know my vote will go to someone who knows what the hell they are talking about. not some blueberry scrub.

from the desk of Cubs:

the problem right now with this CPM 'candidacy' and whatnot is twofold.

FIRST, there have been no words officially on WHEN this may happen, just that it will.. so damn near all of you have jumped the gun in announcing you are running etc etc.

SECOND, the vast majority of the aforementioned premature declarers have far from rounded resumes. Yes some have made great efforts within the community over time, while others have done less than nothing, while others yet are only trying to ride the coattails of popularity.

The CPM is a position that cannot be taken lightly. This is our DIRECT link to the 'brain trust' (lulz) that is CCP and helping them at least LOOK in the right direction, taking feedback from the community and funneling that into some random coherent thoughts.

this in and of itself requires an immense amount of patience, thus logistically disqualifying most current candidates before reading or hearing a single thing about them. Next they have to deal with a very difficult group of people in actually getting anything done...

The good news is, a SINGLE change over the course of a CPM's 'office' could just be massive, cause things are done so quickly around here you could easily be remembered for that.

I have seen 2, yes, 2 players that have announced their candidacy at this point that I think would be well suited for a CPM position.

2....


Respect is earned people, and knowledge and outreach to the community are what gives you that. being 'good' at this game should mean absolutely nothing in regard to CPM. the ability to listen, knowledge of game mechanics (case in point.. Kane listening to those of us that play PC daily and all the broken mechanics it entails, makes him knowledgeable on the topic)

not to mention a different approach to things to actually stress and get important information to CCP in a way they might actually listen and act (good luck there).

I wish you all the best of luck, but rest assured the Bull$hit flag shall be raised come the time it becomes necessary. Lots of posers currently, and even fewer viable candidates. Those that are well suited, Im sure know who they are, and also rest assured I make no such statements in support or against anyone. Just a general observation.

ok continue with the ass kissing

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I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.

I had planned to run myself and take it seriously, but I can't be bothered to care enough to put that much involvement into this anymore.

But, since I can't, I want someone who can. It's really that simple. If this was a troll thread the OP would of hinted at it.

A response on behalf of CPM1 candidate Takahiro Kashuken - Currently banned at this time


OP is correct

What do you do if no one represents you?

Im in the same boat, no one on the old CPM or any of the runners use vehicles and i mean all vehicles on a daily basis

I didnt want to run but i feel like i should because if i dont throw my hat in i will never know, we could still end up with 7 infantry players like last time screwing up vehicles

In your case Sota we may end up with 7 players who havnt touched PC and competitive gameplay since it started

Im still with RS* and we did plenty of PC back in the day with EON but the corp got killed off due to GTA5 and fanfest so i slowed down with PC but i generally know what it takes and what happens from my POV at least, but yours will be different

You either run or dont because that is the only choice you have if no one represents you

I'd like to point out that I am primarily a vehicle runner.

Just as a note.

I play DS, ADS, HAVs, and LAVs as my primary skill spec.

I don't like any of them. What should I do? Run myself? :'(

Where's the people whose passion in this game burn beyond words behind a screen? Where's the CPM PC experience? Do you really believe 5 or 10 matches gives you the authority to speak on behalf of PC players who pretty much dominate this game and possibly your vote outcome?

It's pretty evident that the only real voters will be people who care, and they usually tend to navigate eventually to a PC corp. So it's very likely PC players will decide the outcome of who gets elected. Though, it's also possible the masses just decide to care one day and vote for whoever they decide at random, I doubt they read these forums to get to know any of you.

CPM does not work because the people running for it do not represent us. I need a candidate that has been the boots on the ground and knows first had the experiences we speak of to CCP. Without that - you're unreliable. Your facts and figures are useless if put into practical play they fail. Flaylock pistol nerf handling and other moves made by CCP highlight this problem.