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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:14:00 -
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I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.
Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:
Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline
and so on.
USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.
It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.
Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.
Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. 
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2120
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:17:00 -
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My MLT tank is fine Repe!
:p
Alt#1 Scout gk.0 - ScR, CR, RR, PLC, SMG
Alt#2 Madrugar - Ion Cannon
Alt#3 Commando gk.0 - Shotgun, AR
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bigolenuts
Dirt Nap Squad.
539
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:17:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
Agreed. I use to run proto every match, regardless. Lately I run adv suit/hmg with proto modules. The suit and gun is where the ISK sink is. Spend a little guys. You'd be surprised at how much better it works.
"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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TheDarthMa94
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
216
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:20:00 -
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Real men don't care how much they spend their ISK!
Sith and Director
"People are always telling me how lucky I am. But the truth is, everything I touch turns to shit"
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The-Beard
Dorsai Chaotix
145
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:22:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
Ugh, another whiner. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1179
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:22:00 -
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TheDarthMa94 wrote:Real men don't care how much they spend their ISK!
The funny thing is, if you're not REALLY BAD bad, you'll go ISK positive in the end.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1179
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Posted - 2014.04.07 08:23:00 -
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The-Beard wrote:
Ugh, another whiner.
 Whining about whiners, that may be.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Glantix Astro-Snow
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:06:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
You know, I think every time I see a new player I am going to criticize them for not running advanced gear that they haven't skilled into and can't skill into yet because it is obviously there fault for not running the gear they don't and can't run. If these people had advanced gear, I am sure they would be running it. And the elite players who are running around in militia gear to make isk aren't complaining about getting protostomped. Also, here's a thought, why don't you start running advanced gear, instead of giving the newer players a much harder time then they should have while playing the game by running your proto gear in your decked out squads.
Apologies if I insulted you in any way, but you sounded very arrogant and completely ignorant to the fact that there are new players in this game.
Thank you for your patience, and have a good day. |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:13:00 -
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I haven't used a starter fit since I got my first proto suit (that was around 10 million sp, I'm currently at 40 million)
Using advanced gear costs anywhere from 25k to 60k, if you use proto modules it can be more like 40-80k
But still, even with an average suit cost of about 50k, you're looking at about 4-7 deaths before you start losing isk
I don't understand people that run starter fits to grind isk...I mean what else are you going to spend the isk on?
Part of the reason I still only have about 40 million isk is because I have so many modules and suits in my inventory that I've bought too many of and still need to use up because I always change my playstyle.
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Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:22:00 -
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You do realize the playerbase recycles 25% every week, right?
Besides, the true test of the starter fit is looking at their HP. If they have the base HP, they are noob with no SP, if they have the 25% extra, they are semi-decent.
Sometimes I see a starter fit do a strafe and such... but they still melt because they are a starter fit. I promise no player in this game can do even mediocre with a starter fit 100% of the time. It's supposed to be that way.
I still challenge any vet to make an alt and not use anything but squadfinder until they hit 100k WP to hold a KD above a 2. It can't be done, because this game is not fair, nor is it meant to be.
Problem with not being fair is you don't grow a game.
Also, if your main source of income is public matches, you can't afford to use proto, or even really nice advance gear. Those guys at the bottom of the scoreboard are getting less than 90K ISK a match. Also the reason why Logis are usually more broke than vehicle users...
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1179
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:22:00 -
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Glantix Astro-Snow wrote:
You know, I think every time I see a new player I am going to criticize them for not running advanced gear that they haven't skilled into and can't skill into yet because it is obviously there fault for not running the gear they don't and can't run. If these people had advanced gear, I am sure they would be running it. And the elite players who are running around in militia gear to make isk aren't complaining about getting protostomped. Also, here's a thought, why don't you start running advanced gear, instead of giving the newer players a much harder time then they should have while playing the game by running your proto gear in your decked out squads.
Apologies if I insulted you in any way, but you sounded very arrogant and completely ignorant to the fact that there are new players in this game.
Thank you for your patience, and have a good day.
I guess this was coming... I wasn't being arrogant to be honest. Just frustrated.
By watching all kinds of videos this IS the truth. (Oh, and by even playing the game myself lol)
I just don't buy the explanation that so many of the players are new.
And besides I know for a fact (know many players) that many are so stingy with their ISK that they don't run anything above standard gear. That's their right of course but it negates every complaint about others playing with higher gear.
And btw, I only have 1 proto fit made which I rarely use. I save it for special occasions when I'm feeling like indulging myself.
And THEN I go negative ISK-wise.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Glantix Astro-Snow
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:24:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Glantix Astro-Snow wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You know, I think every time I see a new player I am going to criticize them for not running advanced gear that they haven't skilled into and can't skill into yet because it is obviously there fault for not running the gear they don't and can't run. If these people had advanced gear, I am sure they would be running it. And the elite players who are running around in militia gear to make isk aren't complaining about getting protostomped. Also, here's a thought, why don't you start running advanced gear, instead of giving the newer players a much harder time then they should have while playing the game by running your proto gear in your decked out squads. Apologies if I insulted you in any way, but you sounded very arrogant and completely ignorant to the fact that there are new players in this game. Thank you for your patience, and have a good day. I guess this was coming... I wasn't being arrogant to be honest. Just frustrated. By watching all kinds of videos this IS the truth. (Oh, and by even playing the game myself lol) I just don't buy the explanation that so many of the players are new. And besides I know for a fact (know many players) that many are so stingy with their ISK that they don't run anything above standard gear. That's their right of course but it negates every complaint about others playing with higher gear. And btw, I only have 1 proto fit made which I rarely use. I save it for special occasions when I'm feeling like indulging myself.
Ok, fair enough.
As I said before, I meant no offence in any way. |
Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:28:00 -
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I may be in the minority here, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing gear either purchased with WP instead of ISK OR have gear and dropsuits unlock at certain WP achievement levels or through certain actions in game. I don't see why there is even a market in this game besides the fact EVE has one. Its a FPS game. I just want to shoot **** not worry about economics or have to bust out a ******* spreadsheet on when I can afford to run what based on my kdr or ISK payouts. |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:29:00 -
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BTW
The reason you don't see proto suits in videos is because the only time players get good scores is when the enemy is just a bunch of noobs running mlt fits.
I used to have a few recordings of matches against some really good players, but I deleted them because my scores were pathetic. What I mean by that is I only get say 15-20 kills instead of 30-40, even if the match was really tough (where both sides were pushing hard)
It's almost always the unbalanced matches that players upload.
Links:
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I make logistics videos!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:32:00 -
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Maybe the reason so many people run starter fits is
1) No Money
2) No SP
3) They have no IDEA what they are doing
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Glantix Astro-Snow
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:34:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:BTW
The reason you don't see proto suits in videos is because the only time players get good scores is when the enemy is just a bunch of noobs running mlt fits.
I used to have a few recordings of matches against some really good players, but I deleted them because my scores were pathetic. What I mean by that is I only get say 15-20 kills instead of 30-40, even if the match was really tough (where both sides were pushing hard)
It's almost always the unbalanced matches that players upload.
I really enjoy watching your videos. But what you just said has severely reduced my enjoyment of them.
Why would you delete what might have been a good game just because you didn't do good? This gives all your viewers a false image of you in there heads, and this can lead to their disappointment if they ever play with you.
At least Pyrex constantly emphasizes that he is not a top tier player and that he has bad games every now and then.
Why don't you try uploading a video where you get completely stomped and see how your viewers react. To me it would feel more real and I would enjoy it more. Just an idea...... |
Glantix Astro-Snow
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:40:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:I may be in the minority here, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing gear either purchased with WP instead of ISK OR have gear and dropsuits unlock at certain WP achievement levels or through certain actions in game(then act like permanent BPOs). I don't see why there is even a market in this game besides the fact EVE has one. Its a FPS game. I just want to shoot **** not worry about economics or have to bust out a ******* spreadsheet on when I can afford to run what based on my kdr or ISK payouts.
You know what? I have just the solution for you!
Stop Playing Dust!!!!
No seriously, this obviously isn't the game for you. Simply crawl back to CoD and BF and have fun where you can. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:41:00 -
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I tend to run my medic from time to time. DAT ARMOR REPAIR lol two CPX Reppers on that suit and you're a Demi-God.
I usually run it as my assault and/or to make ISK. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2791
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:41:00 -
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... How u think the world works and the reality seem to be very different,
People upload videos to show how leet they are, only wanabe reviewers upload avarage games as its just a vessel of hearing them talk
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1179
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:42:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:BTW
The reason you don't see proto suits in videos is because the only time players get good scores is when the enemy is just a bunch of noobs running mlt fits.
I used to have a few recordings of matches against some really good players, but I deleted them because my scores were pathetic. What I mean by that is I only get say 15-20 kills instead of 30-40, even if the match was really tough (where both sides were pushing hard)
It's almost always the unbalanced matches that players upload.
That is a problem, yes.
It's too bad that you youtubers don't upload the bad games. I actually made a post couple of / few months ago urging tubers to upload those games just for the fun of it.
And I wouldn't say that 15-20 kills is a bad game by any means.
Tough games are best games.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:44:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:I may be in the minority here, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing gear either purchased with WP instead of ISK OR have gear and dropsuits unlock at certain WP achievement levels or through certain actions in game(then act like permanent BPOs). I don't see why there is even a market in this game besides the fact EVE has one. Its a FPS game. I just want to shoot **** not worry about economics or have to bust out a ******* spreadsheet on when I can afford to run what based on my kdr or ISK payouts.
Sounds like CoD or BF. Ever thought this game wasn't for you? |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2014.04.07 11:09:00 -
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Glantix Astro-Snow wrote:I really enjoy watching your videos. But what you just said has severely reduced my enjoyment of them.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't just upload the unbalanced matches, and I'm not trying to "show off" by posting videos of me killing a bunch of noobs.
How to put it...the more balanced matches are actually pretty boring to watch. Even though they might be tougher, playing against proto suits you don't just rush in and kill everything. It ends up being more of a run in, get one or two kills and then defend an objective from a squad of protos, immediately dying. It's the same thing over and over again of me getting a few kills then immediately getting rushed.
I mean yeah there are the exceptions where maybe I'm running a squad of protos against another squad of protos and we get an intense match, but the majority of the time if I squad up with protos we just end up stomping the enemy team and it's boring gameplay again.
That match where I got 7k warpoints was the perfect conditions. Both sides were pushing as hard as they could, almost everyone on both teams were running good fits, and I just so happened to be in the middle of it.
The only reason I don't ever upload videos of our team getting stomped is again because it's boring, and because why would you want to watch a video of me spawn-dying the entire time? It's not like I just make videos and talk about stuff on top of them like pyrex. I use a specific fitting or tactic to show what it's like. The purpose of the video is about the gameplay, focusing on the action.
I mean, why would anyone want to watch a dust gameplay video of me running back and forth across the map only to die after 3 minutes of running? And then have 10 of the 15 minutes of the video literally doing nothing but running around. Yeah, that's your average game, but I'd rather upload interesting footage instead of the boring landscape and roads.
Links:
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I make logistics videos!
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2014.04.07 11:48:00 -
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I understand the sentiment, but the isue isn't the suits.
Its the isk.
Most randoms, myself inclused, run crap suits because theres no advantage to running a proto level suit when you are in a protostomp.
Extra HP? You just got shotgunned/ Just found a tanker
Extra DPS? You just found the one squad thats using a heavy AND he has a logi. You run from them straight into a tanker or an ADS.
Extra... yeah there is no point
When you solo, you lose to fotm and squad play.
Sorry but when one only recieves 200k to die 3-4 times there isnt much sense in running the 100k suit.
There are a ton of reasons not to squad, they are all personal so there is no arguing or swaying of opinion.
But one accepts the loss.
CCP Logibro is awesome.
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Princess Fluffypuff
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.07 11:59:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Maybe the reason so many people run starter fits is
1) No Money
2) No SP
3) They have no IDEA what they are doing
Yeah, thats the Point.
Dust ist so complicated, it takes me weeks to understand how some things worked. My first weeks of playing i had absolutely no clue what i am doing. Lots of trial and error, lots of tears and lots of beers later i had a tiny understanding of whats going on.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2761
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:41:00 -
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I'm with you Repe, in that far too many matches are unbalanced because one side is not putting as much effort in as the other - people you know could easily be running top-line gear limiting themselves to lower end stuff because they don't want to lose isk; they're really annoying.
But the problem is that the return on your investment is tiny if you run anything more than advanced. Wear a protosuit and die twice and you're probably not making profit. Wear an advanced suit with advanced weapons and complex mods and you might break even if you die 5 times. I only see one or two players (out of all 32) in each match getting less than 2 deaths and I'd estimate a very tiny proportion of the playerbase is capable of doing that regularly.
Base payouts absolutely need to be raised, even if only by 50k isk.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Glantix Astro-Snow
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:55:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Glantix Astro-Snow wrote:I really enjoy watching your videos. But what you just said has severely reduced my enjoyment of them.
. Don't get me wrong, I don't just upload the unbalanced matches, and I'm not trying to "show off" by posting videos of me killing a bunch of noobs.
I see where you are coming from. I guess I am just weird and enjoy different things. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1181
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Posted - 2014.04.07 12:59:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:
But the problem is that the return on your investment is tiny if you run anything more than advanced. Wear a protosuit and die twice and you're probably not making profit. Wear an advanced suit with advanced weapons and complex mods and you might break even if you die 5 times. I only see one or two players (out of all 32) in each match getting less than 2 deaths and I'd estimate a very tiny proportion of the playerbase is capable of doing that regularly.
Base payouts absolutely need to be raised, even if only by 50k isk.
While I agree that the payouts could be bigger, you don't have to go ISK positive in every match. You just need to make sure you're in the black in whatever timeframe you decide. Be it a day, week or a month even.
But yeah about the payouts, there's too big difference between pub games and PC. District owners get all the monies while us pubbies have to grind for them. And now that there's quite literally no business entering the PC, it hurts.
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
521
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Posted - 2014.04.07 13:20:00 -
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Yo Shayz, how do you get that ballin FOV and framerate?
And dont tell me you use the disco dildoes 24/7. Because if you do, holy shit man.
TOLD514
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
387
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:34:00 -
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Running proto all the time is profitable if you and your friends use nanite injectors. Every time I see a scout or assault throw down nanohives I assume they are running solo.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
624
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:42:00 -
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Just a suggestion for a....different DUST51-related YouTuber: https://www.youtube.com/user/rucdoc
Team Fairy DUST
HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
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Mike Ox Bigger
Skill Shots
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:43:00 -
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OP speaks the truth, just about all the videos I've ever seen of someone going HAM, the other team is all wearing lolMLT gear. I've had several 50+ kill games and while I was stoked about it at the time, every time I did it I knew the other team was just scrubs.
My favorite games are when I hit around 20 kills with low deaths against a well known corp. |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:46:00 -
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I could care less about Isk , I'm in it for the kills, wins and excitement of running into a hail of heavy gunfire while I'm shooting and tossing grenades.
Strength and Honor!! "What we do now, will echo in eternity" Who knows the name of this movie? |
Victor889
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
75
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:49:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:TheDarthMa94 wrote:Real men don't care how much they spend their ISK! The funny thing is, if you're not REALLY BAD bad, you'll go ISK positive in the end.
Not in my experience...
Use and lose 2 of my 190k ISK heavy suits and you ain't getting that back in 1 match.
Part time Logi,
Full time heavy.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
436
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:51:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
I used to do everything I could to win.... and it bankrupt me... so now I use dual flaylock pistols. Not everyone has hundreds of millions of isk
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
711
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:52:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
Not all of us pull in 600+ million ISK a day from owning PC districts. So we don't get huge sums of money on a weekly basis. Considering the average payout is roughly 150-200k ISK per match and even adv gear averages about 50k per suit+module that leaves only 3-4 deaths before all profit is lost. Not many of us can consistently go 0-1 death per match making every match an ISK sink.
That's why you see people running crap gear because none of us can afford it. It's just not profitable no matter what we do. I average about 5-8 deaths a match and I would consider myself a top player. I die just as fast in my 50k adv suit as I do in my 170k proto suit. And I die just as fast in my 3k basic suit (never mind my free blueprint suits...)
Now you know why most of us run basic/militia garbage. We just can't afford running anything better at the moment. The game mechanics are too limiting at the moment. There are no other sources of income and the current legal source is only profitable when one wears free stuff.
Newb
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
436
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:54:00 -
[36] - Quote
Django Quik wrote:I'm with you Repe, in that far too many matches are unbalanced because one side is not putting as much effort in as the other - people you know could easily be running top-line gear limiting themselves to lower end stuff because they don't want to lose isk; they're really annoying.
But the problem is that the return on your investment is tiny if you run anything more than advanced. Wear a protosuit and die twice and you're probably not making profit. Wear an advanced suit with advanced weapons and complex mods and you might break even if you die 5 times. I only see one or two players (out of all 32) in each match getting less than 2 deaths and I'd estimate a very tiny proportion of the playerbase is capable of doing that regularly.
Base payouts absolutely need to be raised, even if only by 50k isk.
I lose risk if I die once in my protosuit... Using a Proto Mini logi, so I'm as squishy as a mlt anti armour fit
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:55:00 -
[37] - Quote
Support CCP and buy Aurum. Lol |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
333
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:58:00 -
[38] - Quote
Glantix Astro-Snow wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You know, I think every time I see a new player I am going to criticize them for not running advanced gear that they haven't skilled into and can't skill into yet because it is obviously there fault for not running the gear they don't and can't run. If these people had advanced gear, I am sure they would be running it. And the elite players who are running around in militia gear to make isk aren't complaining about getting protostomped. Also, here's a thought, why don't you start running advanced gear, instead of giving the newer players a much harder time then they should have while playing the game by running your proto gear in your decked out squads. Apologies if I insulted you in any way, but you sounded very arrogant and completely ignorant to the fact that there are new players in this game. Thank you for your patience, and have a good day.
No one said it's their* fault... It's ccp's for not having a ladder system or even a tutorial system at that..
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3288
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:59:00 -
[39] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:I understand the sentiment, but the isue isn't the suits.
Its the isk.
Most randoms, myself inclused, run crap suits because theres no advantage to running a proto level suit when you are in a protostomp.
Extra HP? You just got shotgunned/ Just found a tanker
Extra DPS? You just found the one squad thats using a heavy AND he has a logi. You run from them straight into a tanker or an ADS.
Extra... yeah there is no point
When you solo, you lose to fotm and squad play.
Sorry but when one only recieves 200k to die 3-4 times there isnt much sense in running the 100k suit.
There are a ton of reasons not to squad, they are all personal so there is no arguing or swaying of opinion.
But one accepts the loss.
Ding, Ding, Ding
We have a winner. Boost payouts significantly based on performance and watch Dust become fun again.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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castba
Penguin's March
369
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:11:00 -
[40] - Quote
I-Shayz-I wrote:
I don't understand people that run starter fits to grind isk...I mean what else are you going to spend the isk on?
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D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:11:00 -
[41] - Quote
If you are in a corp, don't they supply Isk for their corp members? Shouldn't a corp support their soldiers on the field and provide what is necessary to win or be competitive? You pay taxes to your corp so they should provide a certain amount of Isk should they not? Corporations should have millions of Isk, if not, what's the point of having one or being in one.
I left my corp because of the lack of support for months now. My loyalty goes to those who are in the foxhole with me and support what we do on the field. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1251
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:15:00 -
[42] - Quote
I'm saving my ISK for a far off day when this game isn't a crappy 16 vs 16 lobby shooter
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1362
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:18:00 -
[43] - Quote
Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?!
If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!!
Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already... |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
428
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:29:00 -
[44] - Quote
Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
I have a better idea, you run starter fits, after all everyone has access to those but not everyone has access to advanced and proto gear. Stop caring about your precious kdr and "gasp" change your gear once in awhile and make the game enjoyable.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
428
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
NAV HIV wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?! If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!! Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already...
This does not compute. Proto make money because others don't. If everyone ran their best gear all the time most would lose ISK.
Because, that's why.
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Seeth Mensch
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
151
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:36:00 -
[46] - Quote
Couple of things.
Logi suits are much more expensive than other suits. Everyone expects great equipment to be made available, but the logi pays for it. That equipment investment vanishes quickly, sometimes even in a good squad.
Proto investment needs to have the numbers support, and most folks don't put their points into boring ol' numbers. Why spend half a million points to hack something faster or have slightly better dampening when you could have a NEW GUN!? So they die faster and are angry because "new gun = winz" (but never does).
Finally--get thee to factional warfare. So many people complain "it's not worth it". God yes it is. I'm at level 6 (took a while, but not too long) and the point layout for a loss is like 99 points. on a win, nearly 500. I win, let's say, 1/2 of them. So in four fights, I gain 1200 points, and how much is a proto suit in the loyalty store? LIke, 150. Plus 15k isk. Hell, run an ambush, badly, with those cursed free fits, and you walk away, in 5 battles, with nearly 10 proto suits.
Now you are enlightened. Go forth and spread the joy and bullets.
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
428
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:37:00 -
[47] - Quote
Sourdough Muffins wrote:I may be in the minority here, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing gear either purchased with WP instead of ISK OR have gear and dropsuits unlock at certain WP achievement levels or through certain actions in game(then act like permanent BPOs). I don't see why there is even a market in this game besides the fact EVE has one. Its a FPS game. I just want to shoot **** not worry about economics or have to bust out a ******* spreadsheet on when I can afford to run what based on my kdr or ISK payouts.
Lose ISK from the game and I'll probably leave. The long term SP grind to get improvements and ISK are what makes DUST different, the gameplay itself isn't special.
Because, that's why.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
1555
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:44:00 -
[48] - Quote
I usually run ADV gear in pubs. Not to say I'm above the occasional proto stomping (here and there, fine, but I can honestly see where the lower sp guys are coming from with 24/7 smashing). It doesn't honestly come to superior gun game most of the time, usually, you need to know when you're beat and find a different way of taking him on. Not to say gun game isn't a factor.
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1363
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:45:00 -
[49] - Quote
Nothing Certain wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?! If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!! Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already... This does not compute. Proto make money because others don't. If everyone ran their best gear all the time most would lose ISK.
Try it out sometimes.... I make 300+, specially if the team loses against proto players. Against those same players, if the team wins, the pay out usually hits over 500k
Doesn't compute : Try it out |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
429
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:51:00 -
[50] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:I understand the sentiment, but the isue isn't the suits.
Its the isk.
Most randoms, myself inclused, run crap suits because theres no advantage to running a proto level suit when you are in a protostomp.
Extra HP? You just got shotgunned/ Just found a tanker
Extra DPS? You just found the one squad thats using a heavy AND he has a logi. You run from them straight into a tanker or an ADS.
Extra... yeah there is no point
When you solo, you lose to fotm and squad play.
Sorry but when one only recieves 200k to die 3-4 times there isnt much sense in running the 100k suit.
There are a ton of reasons not to squad, they are all personal so there is no arguing or swaying of opinion.
But one accepts the loss.
Ding, Ding, Ding We have a winner. Boost payouts significantly based on performance and watch Dust become fun again.
No, what we would see is the NPE would get even worse with even a longer time to get competitive and greater frustration. ISK is supposed to limit us, that is its purpose.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
429
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:54:00 -
[51] - Quote
NAV HIV wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?! If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!! Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already... This does not compute. Proto make money because others don't. If everyone ran their best gear all the time most would lose ISK. Try it out sometimes.... I make 300+, specially if the team loses against proto players. Against those same players, if the team wins, the pay out usually hits over 500k Doesn't compute : Try it out
I have, well, I only have standard but I've topped the leader board and made these amounts, but only one guy tops the leaderboard. The bottom 10 don't make much, so they always lose money, and if they run expensive gear they lose more.
Because, that's why.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
773
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
Seeth Mensch wrote:Couple of things.
Logi suits are much more expensive than other suits. Everyone expects great equipment to be made available, but the logi pays for it. That equipment investment vanishes quickly, sometimes even in a good squad.
Proto investment needs to have the numbers support, and most folks don't put their points into boring ol' numbers. Why spend half a million points to hack something faster or have slightly better dampening when you could have a NEW GUN!? So they die faster and are angry because "new gun = winz" (but never does).
Finally--get thee to factional warfare. So many people complain "it's not worth it". God yes it is. I'm at level 6 (took a while, but not too long) and the point layout for a loss is like 99 points. on a win, nearly 500. I win, let's say, 1/2 of them. So in four fights, I gain 1200 points, and how much is a proto suit in the loyalty store? LIke, 150. Plus 15k isk. Hell, run an ambush, badly, with those cursed free fits, and you walk away, in 5 battles, with nearly 10 proto suits.
Now you are enlightened. Go forth and spread the joy and bullets.
A teeny-weeny problem is that it takes practically an eternity to get into a FW match
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1365
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:41:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nothing Certain wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits. You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?! If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!! Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already... This does not compute. Proto make money because others don't. If everyone ran their best gear all the time most would lose ISK. Try it out sometimes.... I make 300+, specially if the team loses against proto players. Against those same players, if the team wins, the pay out usually hits over 500k Doesn't compute : Try it out I have, well, I only have standard but I've topped the leader board and made these amounts, but only one guy tops the leaderboard. The bottom 10 don't make much, so they always lose money, and if they run expensive gear they lose more.
Well i make few million everyday and buy more gear with it. Been doing that since closed beta. I must say, i don't save up a lot, but i don't lose ISK either... |
Chuckles Brown
253
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:36:00 -
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Here's the thing about YouTube. Viewers don't like watching you die a lot. They want action and successful killfeeds. Hacking a point, or following someone with a rep tool is quite frankly not entertaining. No offense to Shay or similar players. They're basically a camera man for the assault they logi to.
Now, DUST is a little different because its a smaller game. Viewers are more understanding. People upload PCs and viewers know its not always a landslide they're going to see. But almost never do people upload a losing game.
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
762
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:45:00 -
[55] - Quote
Repe Susi wrote:
Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.
Whenever I see people bring this up in balancing discussions, I laugh. I know they are full of ****!
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1171
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
im happy I'm one of the few who can kick butt in nothing but bpo's.
Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running.
Delt for CPM1
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2877
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:04:00 -
[57] - Quote
Beeeees wrote:Yo Shayz, how do you get that ballin FOV and framerate?
And dont tell me you use the disco dildoes 24/7. Because if you do, holy shit man.
1. I play solo a lot. Not being in a squad definitely helps
2. Voice chat is almost always turned off when I'm doing that, 4+ players talking in a chat channel, team chat, or squad chat is the main source of lag in this game.
3. I think the capture box makes it look that way. Often I will review my videos and wonder why my frame rate is so high when I really had a super laggy match.
Links:
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
I make logistics videos!
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LT Dans Legs
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
359
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:25:00 -
[58] - Quote
Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
Not everybody has the luxury of being in a corp thats sitting on a gold mine. We run good gear and die more than three times we LOSE MONEY. While all the elitists form together to just sit on districts, everyone else has to actually WORK for ISK. I know a lot of people that are broke from running just advanced. Can't get involved in PC cuz its all corrupt, owned by the CPM? Go figure. At least the people that are broke are still trying their hearts out to play this game and haven't left yet. I have WAY more respect for little "SCRUBS" that try their hardest than all this proto stomp cuz you can afford it bs. I've seen elite corp peaople die 15 times in a match with full on proto. There's no way anyone can afford to do that without a never ending fountain of ISK. It's pretty low. The elites are in fact the "SCRUBS"
To Live Is To Die
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Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
79
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:41:00 -
[59] - Quote
Repe Susi wrote:I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo. Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of: Medic Anti-Armor Frontline Medic Frontline Sniper Frontline and so on. USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE. It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money. Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise. Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then. Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.
So you'll give us the money we need to run our ADV. Suits when we run out of money then or would we have to RUN STARTER SUITS AGAIN
No proto in public matches!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThWFhoB8kS8&feature=youtu.be
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
712
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO wrote:If you are in a corp, don't they supply Isk for their corp members? Shouldn't a corp support their soldiers on the field and provide what is necessary to win or be competitive? You pay taxes to your corp so they should provide a certain amount of Isk should they not? Corporations should have millions of Isk, if not, what's the point of having one or being in one.
I left my corp because of the lack of support for months now. My loyalty goes to those who are in the foxhole with me and support what we do on the field.
Only a handful of corps that are capable of doing that as there are those handful of corps that own all the districts in PC (where ISK generates).
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/districts/Molden_Heath
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