The funny thing is, if you're not REALLY BAD bad, you'll go ISK positive in the end.

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

I'm with you Repe, in that far too many matches are unbalanced because one side is not putting as much effort in as the other - people you know could easily be running top-line gear limiting themselves to lower end stuff because they don't want to lose isk; they're really annoying.

But the problem is that the return on your investment is tiny if you run anything more than advanced. Wear a protosuit and die twice and you're probably not making profit. Wear an advanced suit with advanced weapons and complex mods and you might break even if you die 5 times. I only see one or two players (out of all 32) in each match getting less than 2 deaths and I'd estimate a very tiny proportion of the playerbase is capable of doing that regularly.

Base payouts absolutely need to be raised, even if only by 50k isk.

You know, I think every time I see a new player I am going to criticize them for not running advanced gear that they haven't skilled into and can't skill into yet because it is obviously there fault for not running the gear they don't and can't run. If these people had advanced gear, I am sure they would be running it. And the elite players who are running around in militia gear to make isk aren't complaining about getting protostomped. Also, here's a thought, why don't you start running advanced gear, instead of giving the newer players a much harder time then they should have while playing the game by running your proto gear in your decked out squads.

Apologies if I insulted you in any way, but you sounded very arrogant and completely ignorant to the fact that there are new players in this game.

Thank you for your patience, and have a good day.

I understand the sentiment, but the isue isn't the suits.
Its the isk.

Most randoms, myself inclused, run crap suits because theres no advantage to running a proto level suit when you are in a protostomp.
Extra HP? You just got shotgunned/ Just found a tanker
Extra DPS? You just found the one squad thats using a heavy AND he has a logi. You run from them straight into a tanker or an ADS.
Extra... yeah there is no point
When you solo, you lose to fotm and squad play.

Sorry but when one only recieves 200k to die 3-4 times there isnt much sense in running the 100k suit.

There are a ton of reasons not to squad, they are all personal so there is no arguing or swaying of opinion.
But one accepts the loss.

I don't understand people that run starter fits to grind isk...I mean what else are you going to spend the isk on?

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

You make more money using Proto Gear ... When will these blue dot's understand that ?!

If everyone ran around in Proto gear or Adv gear. Average payout for pub matches would be about 240-300k for regulars. 300-400k+ for top 3 !!!!

Stop QQ about proto stomping and just make some ISK already...

I may be in the minority here, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing gear either purchased with WP instead of ISK OR have gear and dropsuits unlock at certain WP achievement levels or through certain actions in game(then act like permanent BPOs). I don't see why there is even a market in this game besides the fact EVE has one. Its a FPS game. I just want to shoot **** not worry about economics or have to bust out a ******* spreadsheet on when I can afford to run what based on my kdr or ISK payouts.

This does not compute. Proto make money because others don't. If everyone ran their best gear all the time most would lose ISK.

Ding, Ding, Ding

We have a winner. Boost payouts significantly based on performance and watch Dust become fun again.

Try it out sometimes.... I make 300+, specially if the team loses against proto players. Against those same players, if the team wins, the pay out usually hits over 500k

Doesn't compute : Try it out

Couple of things.
Logi suits are much more expensive than other suits. Everyone expects great equipment to be made available, but the logi pays for it. That equipment investment vanishes quickly, sometimes even in a good squad.
Proto investment needs to have the numbers support, and most folks don't put their points into boring ol' numbers. Why spend half a million points to hack something faster or have slightly better dampening when you could have a NEW GUN!? So they die faster and are angry because "new gun = winz" (but never does).

Finally--get thee to factional warfare. So many people complain "it's not worth it". God yes it is. I'm at level 6 (took a while, but not too long) and the point layout for a loss is like 99 points. on a win, nearly 500. I win, let's say, 1/2 of them. So in four fights, I gain 1200 points, and how much is a proto suit in the loyalty store? LIke, 150. Plus 15k isk. Hell, run an ambush, badly, with those cursed free fits, and you walk away, in 5 battles, with nearly 10 proto suits.

Now you are enlightened. Go forth and spread the joy and bullets.

I have, well, I only have standard but I've topped the leader board and made these amounts, but only one guy tops the leaderboard. The bottom 10 don't make much, so they always lose money, and if they run expensive gear they lose more.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Yo Shayz, how do you get that ballin FOV and framerate?

And dont tell me you use the disco dildoes 24/7. Because if you do, holy shit man.

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

I like to watch Dust 514 youtube-videos daily. Be it pub games or PC matches. Gimme dat video, yo.

Every public match I've seen, 70-80% of the player base consists of:

Medic
Anti-Armor
Frontline
Medic
Frontline
Sniper
Frontline

and so on.

USE YOUR SUITS, MODULES AND EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE.

It's no wonder you'll get your ass handed to you if you don't want to use better gear but choose to go with STARTER fits just so you don't lose money.

Yeah yeah you kill protobears all the time with your ++ber-skills while in mlt gear. But tbh that's not the truth, is it. The records tell otherwise.

Make the game more enjoyable to yourself by *gasp* changing to ADV - gear every now and then.
Throw in some proto weapons and you'll have good time. Go even one whole day in your best gear, not caring about your precious ISKIES. Get it back later by going back to your starter fits.

If you are in a corp, don't they supply Isk for their corp members? Shouldn't a corp support their soldiers on the field and provide what is necessary to win or be competitive? You pay taxes to your corp so they should provide a certain amount of Isk should they not? Corporations should have millions of Isk, if not, what's the point of having one or being in one.

I left my corp because of the lack of support for months now. My loyalty goes to those who are in the foxhole with me and support what we do on the field.