Except this is an FPS before it is an MMO.

Stop defending your stupid little crutch, I ******* run this thing as my main and I admit it's too good.

I think it's the same argument as tanks here... I shouldn't have to field a scout to counter the scout.

Says you. Thanks for your option, good day.

Says you. Thanks for your option, good day.

So you call it a crutch and use it and point the finger at others...So full it.. I am done with you. Troll another post.

I hope you get off your crutch and start to learn how to play with others.. I can see you already lack some social skills, which will make it hard for you to play Dust.. Maybe its not the solo game for you.

Or just follow some blue dots that look like they know what they are doing.

If your sucking and QQing for nerfs yes you will not get off yoru crutch

Squad with a scout to anti scout

You sound like those tankers who said use 6 avers or another tank. Dude your the one who started a thread saying CCP please don't nerf me. The hypocrisy in this is insane.

In comes the QQ squad.. Game numbers have gone up since 1.8 - wth are people talking about.

I am glad scouts now have a very active and necessary role in a squad. Not simply taken up by another suit and fit with more HP.

You need scouts I your squad now!! YAY

Right they even supplanted my logi for placing uplink. Nice to have a role, that can do the job of just about every other suit in the game better.

In comes the QQ squad.. Game numbers have gone up since 1.8 - wth are people talking about.

I am glad scouts now have a very active and necessary role in a squad. Not simply taken up by another suit and fit with more HP.

You need scouts I your squad now!! YAY

A scout can still take out a bad group with no mics.. Just work from the last guy in line ;)

If the warning can go out.. then every scout kill = a death = not worth attacking the group.

We'll not everyone feels like squaring up every time they log-in to play a couple games on lunch break...

Nobody needs an assault.
You barely need a heavy.
You don't need a commando.

But scouts?
YOU BETTER BRING A SCOUT OR YOU'RE DEAD


Don't you see a problem here?

It just amazes me how may people are running around like the solo hero dying to scouts. 1.8 get a squad and work as a team.

Its just over board that amount of fail that is going on and I only here QQ about nerfs. I really hope CCP does not listen to this BS.

I will repeat myself because I am so shocked by it. So many are still running around solo dying to scouts. Sometimes over and over in the same match. What are you thinking?

I think it's the same argument as tanks here... I shouldn't have to field a scout to counter the scout.

Exactly just like you shouldn't have to field a heavy to counter a heavy

When it comes to cloaks, there are legitimate concerns being buried beneath mountains of QQ and poor sports man ship.
But let's get a few things sorted.

1) Cloaks ARE Hard to see.
It cannot be denied, cloaks were designed to be hard to see, that is why they are hardto see, if you BELIEVE that they are easy to see then congratulations you might have over sensitive eyes. A good percentage of the population can see more colour tones than the average, you are probably one of those people.

2) Cloaking is not a Cructch
Its no more a crutch than dancing on hives, or uplinks on rooftops. Its Annoying, its frustrating, it's not as simple to counter as the person using it would have you believe.
But it's not a crutch

3) Aim Assist DOES still work on cloaked entities.
I have tested, once you "lock on" to a target aim assist will assist in tracking them. You are now enlightened, use it to your advantage.

4) Cloaks ARE NOT perfect
There is still somethings that need to be ironed out with cloaks to stop abuse.

5) Cloaks ARE NOT perfectly balanced.
I'm not saying they are HORRENDOUSLY OP, but do you really think NS and WTF would be spamming Caldari Scouts with quite as much regularity if they weren't so effective.

6) Firing before the Cloak decloaks is not an intended mechanic.
CCP orginally had a penalty for firing under the effects of a cloak, this would not have been removed if CCP intended to give the current function of quick-swap cloaking to scouts.

7) Giving an Opponent warning your about to 1-Shot Him is NOT a Crutch
If you don't at least give the enemy opportunity to swear vengeance on you first it creates the impression that there was nothing that could be done, so they believe it to be OP, however if the Opponent feels they were given fair warning they blame themselves for not being faster enough, the whole interaction requires just a marginal increase in skill for the Assailant, and would probably still give them same result of death 85% of the time.

The mojarity of the comunity is just butt hurt and want an easy QQ nerf save.when you play metal gear do you tap every enemy you sneak up on to warn them?no because it defeats the purpose of steath.Its l2p or QQ

Tanks rocked me... But you know what I never QQed Because you bring a tank onto the battlefield they should panic

Its true war tactics and something CCP is all about. You need serious gear to counter that! AND YOU SHOULD

Please stay on thread topic and remove the rude comments. Thank you.

Then this should be rare and that player should be fitting to solo. Right now there is an abundance of players with 1.7 fits running around solo expecting to spray fire scouts at a distance.. and crying because that is not happening.

Running solo over open terrain is stupid risk from snipers. Now running solo in CQC areas is stupid because of scouts.

It just amazes me how may people are running around like the solo hero dying to scouts. 1.8 get a squad and work as a team.

Its just over board that amount of fail that is going on and I only here QQ about nerfs. I really hope CCP does not listen to this BS.

I will repeat myself because I am so shocked by it. So many are still running around solo dying to scouts. Sometimes over and over in the same match. What are you thinking?

Exactly just like you shouldn't have to field a heavy to counter a heavy

When it comes to cloaks, there are legitimate concerns being buried beneath mountains of QQ and poor sports man ship.
But let's get a few things sorted.

1) Cloaks ARE Hard to see.
It cannot be denied, cloaks were designed to be hard to see, that is why they are hardto see, if you BELIEVE that they are easy to see then congratulations you might have over sensitive eyes. A good percentage of the population can see more colour tones than the average, you are probably one of those people. there are many frame rate, lag, lightning, glitches, stupid falling red ash, and a few other technical issues which make cloaks hard to see. This is not the point. I think you missed the boat entirely. But ill address it in you other points ] ;)

2) Cloaking is not a Cructch
Its no more a crutch than dancing on hives, or uplinks on rooftops. Its Annoying, its frustrating, it's not as simple to counter as the person using it would have you believe.
But it's not a crutch what is a crutch. A crutch is when you provide a low risk, high reward, no drawback gun or equipment, which cloaks are. Yes cloaks are a crutch, they are a big ******* crutch which rewards poor play, lowers the risk poor play is punished, provides defensive and offensive advantages that are not deserved due to poor play.

3) Aim Assist DOES still work on cloaked entities.
I have tested, once you "lock on" to a target aim assist will assist in tracking them. You are now enlightened, use it to your advantage. agreed, it still works. But it's more difficult to see the idiots who are making mistakes. Lock on all you want, taking down a cloaks 750 eHP target is more difficult that you make it sound

4) Cloaks ARE NOT perfect
There is still somethings that need to be ironed out with cloaks to stop abuse. cloaks do not need adjustment, they need to be removed. The support poor gameplay. Good gameplay doesn't even require a cloak. Cloaks are not required, they are redundant to good gameplay and cover poor gameplay. A crutch.

5) Cloaks ARE NOT perfectly balanced.
I'm not saying they are HORRENDOUSLY OP, but do you really think NS and WTF would be spamming Caldari Scouts with quite as much regularity if they weren't so effective. cloaks are a crutch therefore they cannot be balanced. The title and the argument are two different things. Caldri scouts are balanced, minus cloaks. They have high rewards but also have high limitations due to their 2 low slots. They are a good tool, a useful and a strong teammate but in no way are the OP.

6) Firing before the Cloak decloaks is not an intended mechanic.
CCP orginally had a penalty for firing under the effects of a cloak, this would not have been removed if CCP intended to give the current function of quick-swap cloaking to scouts. firing when cloaked is a problem a serious one, but it's the least of the concerns. How about how players used the cloak to get right next to you? How about how they used it to cover their asses before they got close enough to shoot you in the first place? Firing while cloaked is not the problem, it's the advantages they give scouts before they've even fired a shot that is.

7) Giving an Opponent warning your about to 1-Shot Him is NOT a Crutch
If you don't at least give the enemy opportunity to swear vengeance on you first it creates the impression that there was nothing that could be done, so they believe it to be OP, however if the Opponent feels they were given fair warning they blame themselves for not being faster enough, the whole interaction requires just a marginal increase in skill for the Assailant, and would probably still give them same result of death 85% of the time.

The mojarity of the comunity is just butt hurt and want an easy QQ nerf save.when you play metal gear do you tap every enemy you sneak up on to warn them?no because it defeats the purpose of steath.Its l2p or QQ

Many people make decent arguments about nerf'ing cloaks, other people make good arguments for getting rid if cloaks altogether. You know who can't come up with any justifications for cloaks, the people who support them. It's been what, around 10 days, since cloaks were released and all cloak supports can say are the same four irrelevant and invalid statements:

1. Get good.
2. Eyes are OP.
3. EVE has cloaks.
4. I need them to be great.

I've spent way too much time tearing these idiots up.

They always say, oh why should I listen to you, you don't use cloaks. Yes i do, i love cloaks for what they give me (a huge advantage) but that doesn't mean i can't be objective in my assessment of cloaks.

They say, you weren't a scout before 1.8 it wasn't easy. Again, yes i was. And yes it wasn't easy but it shouldn't be easy mode now. I sometimes had bad games (i still have a few bad games now but its more rare) but having a high risk, high reward class means some games you are going to struggle. Games aren't going to be easy, most are a struggle where your mistakes cost you a clone. Games were a thin line of skill and strategy and sometimes you got lucky to win a gun battle, but if you gave me the option of an easy mode or a balanced gameplay, i choose balanced all the time.

Supporters of the cloaks can't justify their new easy mode, they don't want their cloak to be nerf or removed because they don't want to go back to old times. I get it, you don't want to go from being a dominant force to a cog in the team. But success should be based on skill, skillful play, strategy because of the high risk, high reward nature of the suit. If you don't like high risk high reward, and perfer the cloak which has no risk, high reward, no drawbacks - i understand. I am just saying its not necessary and its dishonest of you not to be objective. Furthermore, its in the disinterest of the game for one class to be OP, so you're doing everyone a disservice by not acknowledging that cloaks are easy mode.