Exactly just like you shouldn't have to field a heavy to counter a heavy

When it comes to cloaks, there are legitimate concerns being buried beneath mountains of QQ and poor sports man ship.
But let's get a few things sorted.

1) Cloaks ARE Hard to see.
It cannot be denied, cloaks were designed to be hard to see, that is why they are hardto see, if you BELIEVE that they are easy to see then congratulations you might have over sensitive eyes. A good percentage of the population can see more colour tones than the average, you are probably one of those people.

2) Cloaking is not a Cructch
Its no more a crutch than dancing on hives, or uplinks on rooftops. Its Annoying, its frustrating, it's not as simple to counter as the person using it would have you believe.
But it's not a crutch

3) Aim Assist DOES still work on cloaked entities.
I have tested, once you "lock on" to a target aim assist will assist in tracking them. You are now enlightened, use it to your advantage.

4) Cloaks ARE NOT perfect
There is still somethings that need to be ironed out with cloaks to stop abuse.

5) Cloaks ARE NOT perfectly balanced.
I'm not saying they are HORRENDOUSLY OP, but do you really think NS and WTF would be spamming Caldari Scouts with quite as much regularity if they weren't so effective.

6) Firing before the Cloak decloaks is not an intended mechanic.
CCP orginally had a penalty for firing under the effects of a cloak, this would not have been removed if CCP intended to give the current function of quick-swap cloaking to scouts.

7) Giving an Opponent warning your about to 1-Shot Him is NOT a Crutch
If you don't at least give the enemy opportunity to swear vengeance on you first it creates the impression that there was nothing that could be done, so they believe it to be OP, however if the Opponent feels they were given fair warning they blame themselves for not being faster enough, the whole interaction requires just a marginal increase in skill for the Assailant, and would probably still give them same result of death 85% of the time.

Many people make decent arguments about nerf'ing cloaks, other people make good arguments for getting rid if cloaks altogether. You know who can't come up with any justifications for cloaks, the people who support them. It's been what, around 10 days, since cloaks were released and all cloak supports can say are the same four irrelevant and invalid statements:

1. Get good.
2. Eyes are OP.
3. EVE has cloaks.
4. I need them to be great.

I've spent way too much time tearing these idiots up.

They always say, oh why should I listen to you, you don't use cloaks. Yes i do, i love cloaks for what they give me (a huge advantage) but that doesn't mean i can't be objective in my assessment of cloaks.

They say, you weren't a scout before 1.8 it wasn't easy. Again, yes i was. And yes it wasn't easy but it shouldn't be easy mode now. I sometimes had bad games (i still have a few bad games now but its more rare) but having a high risk, high reward class means some games you are going to struggle. Games aren't going to be easy, most are a struggle where your mistakes cost you a clone. Games were a thin line of skill and strategy and sometimes you got lucky to win a gun battle, but if you gave me the option of an easy mode or a balanced gameplay, i choose balanced all the time.

Supporters of the cloaks can't justify their new easy mode, they don't want their cloak to be nerf or removed because they don't want to go back to old times. I get it, you don't want to go from being a dominant force to a cog in the team. But success should be based on skill, skillful play, strategy because of the high risk, high reward nature of the suit. If you don't like high risk high reward, and perfer the cloak which has no risk, high reward, no drawbacks - i understand. I am just saying its not necessary and its dishonest of you not to be objective. Furthermore, its in the disinterest of the game for one class to be OP, so you're doing everyone a disservice by not acknowledging that cloaks are easy mode.

You actually got some medal or something in MGS4 for dealing with a certain number of alerts before a call was put out for back up.
However this is not MGS you are against real people, where that persons perception of the mechanic is important to the retention of the game.

You wouldn't be anymore comprimised to the rest of the team, you probably wouldn't even find it that much harder to kill the guy, the majority of ghe time all that will happen is he will jump in 180-¦ and see you pull the trigger before he falls to the floor dead. But that fraction of a second is the difference between him saying 'this is OP and uncounterable' and him saying 'damn scout, need to be faster next time'.

The real question is though, if it's that inconsequential to its operation why do you need to defend it so much that you risk the cloak being over-nerfed?
Wouldn't it be better to doll out this placebo to the playerbase that will stem QQ and have done with it? Or do you keep fighting and risk loosing it all?

Oh and Finally, Take Down Number 2

@hound who write Cloak is going to get nerf that is a fact.The problem is cloaks a one trick pony with given counters and people QQ.how are you every going to get balance in a game were the majority of the community cries instead of adapting.Cloaks not damage,stat boost,or anything else.The only reason I defend it is because it's sad that the player base can't handle a half@&& cloak.How can you handle more complex tools if you can't even handle the simple ones.I can't tell you how many "plasma cannon crutch" mail I got.This is the community, everything's being balance around kd and pride.This is a sand box stop kicking the sand out.


Cloaks are going to get nerf'd - maybe they should just be removed.

Cloaks are a one trick pony - if you mean that your one trick is turning them in and going into easy mode, i completely agree.

People QQ because the recognize a serious problem, which you've identified but cannot provide any justification for or suggestions to balance.

Player base cannot handle the advantages provided by cloaks to players whose gameplay do not warrant such defensive and offensive rewards. Yup. Turn on easy modem people QQ so blame the QQ on the difference between a simple and complex tool, Hun?! A cloak is a simple tool (yes), which provides a wide range of very complex (if you say so) advantages.. Yup.

If you want to be a loser and troll about under balanced weapons like flaylocks and plasma cannons being able to kill, but not being on the balanced level then you're just grasping for straws. Weapons can kill, but it doesn't mean they are balanced. Scouts can kill with cloaks but it doesn't mean they are balanced, for instance before 1.7 scouts can kill but they were slightly under balanced. So CCP gave scouts more classes, an additional equipment slots, additional modules (high/low) improvements which made the class balanced. Cloaks, they are not balanced, they are a crutch which rewards poor gameplay. They are low risk, high rewards, no drawbacks easy mode. Just like you said, they easy mode.

Stop kicking the sand out, i suspect that means please don't get rid of my OP crutch which i need to kill people because before I got my crutch i was a **** scout and now i turn easy mode on and somehow thanks to CCP for providing me with free "skill". Tske a ******* seat along with the idiot who started this thread. Your crutch is bullshit easy mode and you know it, everyone knows it. Youre just a selfish ******* kid who thinks he deserves it.