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Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 662	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:30:00 - [1] - Quote Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 329	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote were awesome Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1195	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:37:00 - [3] - Quote Meee One wrote: It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them. That is in no way balanced... So which developer told you that the scout suit is supposed to be least combat effective? Oh that's right, you just decided that for yourself. Anyway, skill Amarr logi if you want to have a logi with a sidearm Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2937	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:38:00 - [4] - Quote Ok, we will give up a sidearm slot when you give up a light weapon. Better yet, lose 3 slots and 2 equipment slots. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 88	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:40:00 - [5] - Quote I could see them restricted to 1 light weapon slot, but giving them 1 side arm slot only? that is ********.
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:44:00 - [6] - Quote Shotgun scouts? Snipers? Any of these things ring a bell? Just because they have the least amount of health, that doesn't mean they aren't meant for combat. In and out of hiatus frequently.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 903	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote This perception that scouts are only recon, so far as I can see, is neither an intention nor a reality in this game. I would like to see this definition from a CCP based blog/website before I believe that is what scouts were only meant to be. Otherwise, this is merely your interpretation. In which case you are forcing those of another suit, or those of the same suit but different aspirations, to bow to your role. Looking for the scout hangout?
Patrick57 6538	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:47:00 - [8] - Quote Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 959	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:49:00 - [9] - Quote They were going to lose a sidearm but the CPM members stated that a sidearm would be cool with Cloak and Nova Knives. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote recon doesn't over power it out plays. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 663	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? LOL "merely". Logis may get the most slots but they don't count for jack if someone can out run you,be invisible and OHK you,and still out tank you. This doesn't even count REs which mainly logis are the targets of. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1366	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [12] - Quote because dogs like peanut butter... thats why Canari Elphus for CPM1
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2122	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [13] - Quote As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 429	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:52:00 - [14] - Quote Cause ** * thats why!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1569	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:53:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) I think that only having one sidearm slot is a bit much. This would seriously limit many scouts... rifle scouts, sniper scouts, shotty scouts. I would be happy though if the scout with 2 EQ slots could only equip a light weapon (or put a sidearm in this slot) and the scout with 2 weapon slots only had 1 EQ slot. Like the old B-Type scout. She was sweet.... Double posting like a Kaiser.
Patrick57 6542	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:58:00 - [16] - Quote Meee One wrote: LOL "merely". Logis may get the most slots but they don't count for jack if someone can out run you,be invisible and OHK you,and still out tank you. This doesn't even count REs which mainly logis are the targets of. The only Scout that can out tank a Logi is the Gallente, and even that could be a stretch because Logis can get 1000+ HP. I target Heavies with REs more than Logis. Generally it takes more than one shot to take down a good Logi. This is just another butthurt Cloak thread. Don't nerf my crutch! When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 663	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:00:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 837	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? You say that like they couldn't wreak havoc with out the cloak. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Patrick57 6544	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:03:00 - [19] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? You say that like they couldn't wreak havoc with out the cloak. It at least takes some skill to do that. When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Oswald Rehnquist 1319	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:05:00 - [20] - Quote One weapon slot isn't feasible and gimps the min scout who gets a knife bonus. If there were going to be a slot nerf, just demote the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot. This would fix the non skill tactic of shotgun/cloak. Below 28 dB

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2122	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:05:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed Sounds like QQ to me. Scouts have always been the same, except now we have cloaks and a bit more fitting requirements. As a logi, you can speed tank better than a scout, you can play E-War better than a scout, you can tank better than a scout, can also wield a shotgun, can also use cloak (with penalty but whatever), and can even outrun a scout if you really want to. You only die quick if you're a pure shield tanker, otherwise we need an extra shot or two to kill you.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 84	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) U christian? (Saw your signature) Join the channel GamersForChrist in game, we have bible studies every sunday at 4:30pst/7:30est. Send an application if ur interested in our corp. ^ <----- corp name -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1356	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:10:00 - [23] - Quote Because if they didn't they would whine and cry until CCP gave them one. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Rusty Shallows 1360	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: I could see them restricted to 1 light weapon slot, but giving them 1 side arm slot only? that is *******. That was the original plan. The community rallied (for the most part) and supported Scout's keeping the sidearm. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!* >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Contaminator Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 22	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:33:00 - [25] - Quote Well the biggest problem right now is that damage wise suits dont make any sense. In EVE you have frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, carriers, etc. Now a small frigate can come in and take on another frigate or cruiser, even battle cruisers depending on pilot skill level and some other factors. However, if frigates are better at harassing the enemy with ewar and scouting and such. They are restricted to this role by their inability to do damage to bigger ships. They are PHYSICALLY restrained in how much DPS they can do. You can't fit battleship guns on to frigates and go LOLshipping away. In Dust you can fit your weapon of choice (heavy weapons being the exception) on any suit and they all do the same damage. that means a scout (frigate) can do the same DPS that an assault can do (cruiser/battlecruiser) and the same DPS as a heavy can do (battleship?). So the scout gets the speed, the agility, high HP (in brick tank fits) AND they can still do the same DPS as other suits with the same weapon. I think there are lots of problems with scouts right now (but also with pretty much every suit across the board so don't think im QQ biased) The main thing is DPS potential. To stay on topic/ TL;DR - there is really no reason that Scout suits should get a light weapon AND a side arm. That said I think LIGHT suits (notice i said light not scout) should have both light and sidearm slots as they are not specialized they are less HP more mobility suit. SCOUTS (notice I said scout not light) should be given a light weapon only. They are a specialized suit with a SPECIFIC role on the battle field... guess what it is... scout... That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to kill things. however, if you are a scout you should be scouting not cloak/bricktank/assault. Its a similar problem to Logi in 1.7 Slot layout, bonuses and stats don't entirely meet up with what the roll is described. sorry for the wall of text "If you encounter a tactic you have trouble in handling, change YOUR tactics. Don't blame the game or the balancing."
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 284	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:37:00 - [26] - Quote Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload Did you just make all that ** up? Logi outscans, yes they outrun, yes they outstrafe, out tank? Yer just ******. Everyone gets a sidearm but logis which get literally evrything else. Just shutup and go beatoff with your CoD buddies GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1665	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:43:00 - [27] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload Did you just make all that **** up? Logi is the one that outscans, yes scouts outrun, yes scouts outstrafe, out tank? Yer just an idiot for saying that. Everyone gets a sidearm but logis which get literally evrything else. Just shutup and go beatoff with your CoD buddies turn speed is the same for all suits. an unplated minmatar med frame will strafe almost fast as a scout. a plated scout strafes at about the speed of any shield tanking med. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Rasp Terriblz Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 7	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:45:00 - [28] - Quote This is probably the most ******** thread I have read on this forum. Your logic pains me...
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1371	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:54:00 - [29] - Quote CAELAN Andoril wrote: Shotgun scouts? Snipers? Any of these things ring a bell? Just because they have the least amount of health, that doesn't mean they aren't meant for combat. Only an idiot snipes in a scout suit. It is by far the worst fit for it. At this point you'd be best off using a Cal Commando since you'd get a 10% damage mod from skills and be able to stack damage mods on top of that. ^off topic I know but it had to be said. Fun > Realism
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2940	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:01:00 - [30] - Quote This was a April fools joke...wasn't it... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 211	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:04:00 - [31] - Quote It is a little bit of a problem that we're now seeing all kinds of scouts running needles and reps. They almost make a better logi, as don't passive scans get shared with squad members? Just throw on some range enhancers...
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 667	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:05:00 - [32] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: This was a April fools joke...wasn't it... No, of course it wasn't. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 211	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:06:00 - [33] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Only an idiot snipes in a scout suit. It is by far the worst fit for it. At this point you'd be best off using a Cal Commando since you'd get a 10% damage mod from skills and be able to stack damage mods on top of that. ^off topic I know but it had to be said. Hmm... if you're using a thales and don't want to be found nothing better than a gk0 scout with a bunch of dampeners.
Onesimus Tarsus GamersForChrist 1762	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:09:00 - [34] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? You say that like they couldn't wreak havoc with out the cloak. I know I do. =ƒÿå If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 991	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:27:00 - [35] - Quote I think the flip flop in relative strength of logi and scout is CCP's way of equalizing the karma of slayerlogis dominating lolscouts of 1.7 and earlier. Karma's a *****.
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 569	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:28:00 - [36] - Quote Give it a rest, everyone trying to think of a new way to break scouts, just buff something else! Like I really wanna run knives an no gun ; you should be banned lol Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 668	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:32:00 - [37] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I think the flip flop in relative strength of logi and scout is CCP's way of equalizing the karma of slayerlogis dominating lolscouts of 1.7 and earlier. Karma's a ****. Yeah,i wasn't one of them and yet i have to be penalised because of their actions? Your* version of "karma" is a busted joke. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 1093	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:42:00 - [38] - Quote 2 sidearms, I can get behind. 1 sidearm? Go to hell. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4923	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:44:00 - [39] - Quote Why are your ideas always so... Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 668	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:46:00 - [40] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: 2 sidearms, I can get behind. 1 sidearm? Go to hell. That's fine too... i suppose... John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4924	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:49:00 - [41] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why are your ideas always so... ^Not a compliment. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2942	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:38:00 - [42] - Quote Meee One wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: This was a April fools joke...wasn't it... No, of course it wasn't. Damn, you got me if it was xD "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 662	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:41:00 - [43] - Quote because of the slayer logi that used to exist /thread B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 974	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:46:00 - [44] - Quote Honestly, I don't even think scout needs two. It's not like a scout would survive a long shootout just to switch to the secondary and be saved by it. I personally would be ok with only one L slot on a scout. To address the point about logi. Teleologically, logi does not get a secondary because they use up all available space for equip and just have no room left for a secondary weapon. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 101	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:02:00 - [45] - Quote I use two + RE Shotgun is my backup, SMG is my default. Once surprise and/or range is lost second weapon is needed. Cloak is only useful in getting places or the first shot. After that its tactics, weapon selection and knowing when to run... Hopefully with a RE around the corner to trap any one chasing you down.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4402	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:03:00 - [46] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Honestly, I don't even think scout needs two. It's not like a scout would survive a long shootout just to switch to the secondary and be saved by it. I personally would be ok with only one L slot on a scout. What???? Surely you jest. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1719	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:04:00 - [47] - Quote Scout sniper would carry a rifle and sidearm for CQ. Hence, scouts have two slots. AndGÇª we're awesome! Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 688	Posted - 2014.04.02 05:21:00 - [48] - Quote Oh I got a great idea: How about scouts get ammo pool penalty for light weapons. Starts at -50% at basic, goes up to -25% at proto. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
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Rasp Terriblz Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 10	Posted - 2014.04.02 11:21:00 - [50] - Quote You -.-

Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 174	Posted - 2014.04.02 11:27:00 - [51] - Quote I think they should test 2 side arm slots. That way scouts can still be a beast in cqc and only lose some of their bite.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 872	Posted - 2014.04.02 11:36:00 - [52] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Meee One wrote: LOL "merely". Logis may get the most slots but they don't count for jack if someone can out run you,be invisible and OHK you,and still out tank you. This doesn't even count REs which mainly logis are the targets of. The only Scout that can out tank a Logi is the Gallente, and even that could be a stretch because Logis can get 1000+ HP. I target Heavies with REs more than Logis. Generally it takes more than one shot to take down a good Logi. This is just another butthurt Cloak thread. Don't nerf my crutch! To be fair the amarr should be as well able to outtank a non tanked logi. But for a fully brick tanked logi ist easy possible to get more hp than any scout....and still I see way more Assault Logis than assault scouts. Apart from assault suits IMHO the suits are pretty well balanced right now.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 169	Posted - 2014.04.02 11:57:00 - [53] - Quote People will complain about scouts killing them until the day they can only melee and then when they manage to still kill them, they will want to gimp it more lol. They were being complained about even before the update, the most memorable two I seen were people complaining about a knives killing them lol and scouts using pistols...what can scouts do that wont raise complaints that doesn't involve just standing in the background dropping uplinks and staring at other suits as they kill each other? It's funny people were suggesting limiting them to sidearms when there are others threads complaining about scouts using them. I don't always win 1v1 but... when I don't, I cry for nerfs. Stay nerfing my friends.
Kosakai ZionTCD 47	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:04:00 - [54] - Quote it will be the end for NK PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED .......
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 174	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:04:00 - [55] - Quote Admonishment wrote: People will complain about scouts killing them until the day they can only melee and then when they manage to still kill them, they will want to gimp it more lol. They were being complained about even before the update, the most memorable two I seen were people complaining about a knives killing them lol and scouts using pistols...what can scouts do that wont raise complaints that doesn't involve just standing in the background dropping uplinks and staring at other suits as they kill each other? It's funny people were suggesting limiting them to sidearms when there are others threads complaining about scouts using them. Getting killed by a scout is not a problem. A scout being able to get more hp and still be faster and undetectable that is the problem. Medium suits can get more hp sure, but you move slow, cant fit a really good weapon and cant increase range of passive scans or lower their profile/precision without gimping their tank.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 515	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:05:00 - [56] - Quote Meee One wrote: while the suit below them in the suit food chain Stopped reading here
Marc Rime 352	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:25:00 - [57] - Quote Meee One wrote: stuff What problem are you trying to solve? I mean, other than "a scout killed me so I'll try to come up with ways to nerf them"? Removing the sidearm would do nothing to counteract the, as far as I can tell, most common complaints here on the forums (whether they are justified or not is beside the point). It would, however, severely limit the suit in other situations/uses.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 260	Posted - 2014.04.02 12:40:00 - [58] - Quote This is your opinion. & opinion are like @$$holes, everyone has one & they ALL stink. Logi's also have 2X the equipment slots, the best slot layouts, & tons CPU/PG. This is what sacrificing their sidearm gets them. & why do so many believe that scouts aren't made for killing. We are the counter to heavies & other scouts, what do you want us to do, hug them?
Rasp Terriblz Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 10	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:14:00 - [59] - Quote DTOracle wrote: This is your opinion. & opinion are like @$$holes, everyone has one & they ALL stink. Logi's also have 2X the equipment slots, the best slot layouts, & tons CPU/PG. This is what sacrificing their sidearm gets them. & why do so many believe that scouts aren't made for killing. We are the counter to heavies & other scouts, what do you want us to do, hug them? Does this mean Minjas would get +5% hug efficacy per level? :3
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 316	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:25:00 - [60] - Quote Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) Light frames are all about E-war cupcake. So on the offensive scale. Scouts are above logistics. I do not know love, only ( -í° -£-û -í°). Closed Beta Vet

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1257	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:43:00 - [61] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? 800 ehp scouts balanced... your heard it here first crutch defender detected
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:58:00 - [62] - Quote Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload Not sure if serious^ what magic shotgun are you use that one shots. -out scan(scout) -out run(scout) -out strafe(scout) -a scout tank more -back up weapon(scout scout scout)
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:00:00 - [63] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? 800 ehp scouts balanced... your heard it here first crutch defender detected I can get more ehp with any other suit...you heard it here firstbutt hurt
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 361	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:13:00 - [64] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Meee One wrote: It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them. That is in no way balanced... So which developer told you that the scout suit is supposed to be least combat effective? Oh that's right, you just decided that for yourself. Anyway, skill Amarr logi if you want to have a logi with a sidearm Lol, the suit whose bonus is just about useless for anything other than equipment spam -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 361	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:14:00 - [65] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? 800 ehp scouts balanced... your heard it here first crutch defender detected I can get more ehp with any other suit...you heard it here firstbutt hurt Minmatar logi, while actually using good equipment. Go -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Yan Darn Science For Death 479	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:19:00 - [66] - Quote clack activated attempts to feed troll REs before fully declacked The Ghost of Bravo
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:23:00 - [67] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? 800 ehp scouts balanced... your heard it here first crutch defender detected I can get more ehp with any other suit...you heard it here firstbutt hurt Minmatar logi, while actually using good equipment. Go What thats the only suit you every tried?
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 109	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:27:00 - [68] - Quote I wonder why people would think the SCOUTs role would be mainly about SCOUTing and intelligence gathering, and less combat oriented. This sums up 75% of the forum posts.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 360	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:46:00 - [69] - Quote I would love to see a variant of a suit that uses two sidearm slots but has a built in 5% damage buff to sidearms per level Which frame though and how many highs and lows?....hmmm Real heavies use lasers
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:54:00 - [70] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I think the flip flop in relative strength of logi and scout is CCP's way of equalizing the karma of slayerlogis dominating lolscouts of 1.7 and earlier. Karma's a *****. Except those LogiBros who never played slayer are being penalized why? Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 683	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:56:00 - [71] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) Light frames are all about E-war cupcake. So on the offensive scale. Scouts are above logistics. Now that's just plain unfair...i want an E-war cupcake too. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 311	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:59:00 - [72] - Quote Because they cried and CCP wanted them to be OP
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 311	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:09:00 - [73] - Quote It take a commando(essentially a heavy) to carry 2 light weapons and no grenades but it takes a wimpy scout to carry 1 light weapon, 1 side arm, grenades and 2 equipment plus better electronics and built in armor reper like the Gallante. A gallante scout can have just as much hp as an assault and some commando while gaining speed, extra equipment, scanning, precision, stamina.... What else?
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1626	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:24:00 - [74] - Quote If ANYONE thinks..... A Full Mercenary... In the future... Wouldn't have a side arm...?!?!?!? Your trying to fit your nerfs into **** that wouldn't even make a little bit of sense in reality.... Here is some Blackwater Mercenaries that you could hire right now given the right political connections and bankroll... http://athenianvoice.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/blackwater.jpg?w=486&h=274 Now explain to me how a mercenary shouldn't have a backup weapon or sidearm? Field medic's however...
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 685	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:29:00 - [75] - Quote Bethhy wrote: If ANYONE thinks..... A Full Mercenary... In the future... Wouldn't have a side arm...?!?!?!? Your trying to fit your nerfs into **** that wouldn't even make a little bit of sense in reality.... Here is some Blackwater Mercenaries that you could hire right now given the right political connections and bankroll... http://athenianvoice.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/blackwater.jpg?w=486&h=274 Now explain to me how a mercenary shouldn't have a backup weapon or sidearm? Field medic's however... I sense a hypocrite. If the weakest suit can have two + 2 equipment,why can't all mediums? Unless logis get damage resistance while doing their job,or reps to compensate for the 100% vulnerability it leaves us in imma have to call foul on your logic. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1627	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:34:00 - [76] - Quote Meee One wrote: Bethhy wrote: If ANYONE thinks..... A Full Mercenary... In the future... Wouldn't have a side arm...?!?!?!? Your trying to fit your nerfs into **** that wouldn't even make a little bit of sense in reality.... Here is some Blackwater Mercenaries that you could hire right now given the right political connections and bankroll... http://athenianvoice.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/blackwater.jpg?w=486&h=274 Now explain to me how a mercenary shouldn't have a backup weapon or sidearm? Field medic's however... I sense a hypocrite. If the weakest suit can have two + 2 equipment,why can't all mediums? Unless logis get damage resistance while doing their job,or reps to compensate for the 100% vulnerability it leaves us in imma have to call foul on your logic. This isn't logic... this is fact. Look it up FFS.... "The Combat Medic is commonly referred to as "Doc."[citation needed] With a combat unit, they function as a member of an infantry platoon up until the point that one of their comrades is wounded. Therefore, the Medic carries basically what a Rifleman or any other soldier carries. His Basic Equipment is usually: An M4 rifle and in some units an M9 pistol. A MOLLE Vest with a full "combat load," being (most often) 210 rounds for the M-4/M-16 rifle. An IBA or Interceptor Body Armor, now being phased out in favor for the newer IOTV; The Army Combat Uniform; An ACH, or Advanced Combat Helmet." Most cases Combat medic's from most countries DON'T HAVE A SIDEARM. They have their rifle or sub... And everything else is dedicated to being a medic....
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 686	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:24:00 - [77] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Meee One wrote: Bethhy wrote: If ANYONE thinks..... A Full Mercenary... In the future... Wouldn't have a side arm...?!?!?!? Your trying to fit your nerfs into ** that wouldn't even make a little bit of sense in reality.... Here is some Blackwater Mercenaries that you could hire right now given the right political connections and bankroll... http://athenianvoice.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/blackwater.jpg?w=486&h=274 Now explain to me how a mercenary shouldn't have a backup weapon or sidearm? Field medic's however... I sense a hypocrite. If the weakest suit can have two + 2 equipment,why can't all mediums? Unless logis get damage resistance while doing their job,or reps to compensate for the 100% vulnerability it leaves us in imma have to call foul on your logic. This isn't logic... this is fact. Look it up FFS.... "The Combat Medic is commonly referred to as "Doc."[citation needed] With a combat unit, they function as a member of an infantry platoon up until the point that one of their comrades is wounded. Therefore, the Medic carries basically what a Rifleman or any other soldier carries. His Basic Equipment is usually: An M4 rifle and in some units an M9 pistol. A MOLLE Vest with a full "combat load," being (most often) 210 rounds for the M-4/M-16 rifle. An IBA or Interceptor Body Armor, now being phased out in favor for the newer IOTV; The Army Combat Uniform; An ACH, or Advanced Combat Helmet." Most cases Combat medic's from most countries DON'T HAVE A SIDEARM. They have their rifle or sub... And everything else is dedicated to being a medic.... Light tactical units that are sent in ahead of the main forces are GEARED TO THE TEETH. My point still stands. Unless logis get damage resistance while doing their job,or reps to compensate for the 100% vulnerability it leaves us in imma have to call foul on your logic. Logis have been and always will be the first target on the field,and yet have 0 protections while doing the most dangerous job on the field. While repairing,and using injectors logis are 100% vulnerable and even SLOWED down to 0 m/s movement. And yet people QQ when we don't run into an active firezone to die just like they did. Also,i'm an army vet ex-medic and i always** had the most gear and a sidearm with my M-4 or M-16. So you can take the "information" you've gathered from the internet and stuff it,i've actually lived the role. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 875	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:32:00 - [78] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I think the flip flop in relative strength of logi and scout is CCP's way of equalizing the karma of slayerlogis dominating lolscouts of 1.7 and earlier. Karma's a *****. Except those LogiBros who never played slayer are being penalized why? Technically the are NOT penalized. Now all Logis get a skill that directly benefits equipment usage as a whole (5% reduction to CPU/PG) additionally they get another specialized equipment bonus. Sure Equipment got some sort of nerf and in many cases IMHO justified but this is true for ALL suits. So the Logi is still able to do the things he did with equipment in 1.7 on the same level like anyone else plus he gets one piece of equipment where he beat any suit on the field, something that was not possible in 1.8....
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1259	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:46:00 - [79] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? 800 ehp scouts balanced... your heard it here first crutch defender detected I can get more ehp with any other suit...you heard it here firstbutt hurt oh noes you can get a few more hp with medium suits. but you are slower, have bigger hitbox and detected by scanners. you basically have no advantages over the scout, except for the logi which can atleast carry more stuff. in short, you are a scrub, git gud.
TheNorthernHOUND Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:22:00 - [80] - Quote scouts go through the most hell in the Game they go behinx enemy llines and support their team knowing full well its a sucidal mission so dont dis us To arms and to death my brothers

VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 45	Posted - 2014.04.03 13:45:00 - [81] - Quote The reason we have such a gimped game is because CCP listen to idiot ideas like this.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 497	Posted - 2014.04.03 14:02:00 - [82] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: It is a little bit of a problem that we're now seeing all kinds of scouts running needles and reps. They almost make a better logi, as don't passive scans get shared with squad members? Just throw on some range enhancers... I know I do and said this in a post before . The only thing's Logi's have is the equipment bonus and if I'm not trying to overwhelm my self with the best equipment but just enough to pick someone up and rep them then I will just use a scout and their speed . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:39:00 - [83] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: bogeyman m wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I think the flip flop in relative strength of logi and scout is CCP's way of equalizing the karma of slayerlogis dominating lolscouts of 1.7 and earlier. Karma's a *****. Except those LogiBros who never played slayer are being penalized why? Technically the are NOT penalized. Now all Logis get a skill that directly benefits equipment usage as a whole (5% reduction to CPU/PG) additionally they get another specialized equipment bonus. Sure Equipment got some sort of nerf and in many cases IMHO justified but this is true for ALL suits. So the Logi is still able to do the things he did with equipment in 1.7 on the same level like anyone else plus he gets one piece of equipment where he beat any suit on the field, something that was not possible in 1.8.... Almost. Note that all Logi-related equipment got nerfed - some more deserving of a cut back than others. Each race then received a bonus to bring their specialty back to pretty much what it was pre-nerf. So, after the small CPU/PG bonus, each Logi can now carry slightly more nerfed equipment along with their one specialty. On the whole, I'd count that as a net loss for support Logis. If the goal was to disincent SlayerLogis, I think there could have been better ways to do that. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Yumi Tadaki Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:27:00 - [84] - Quote logi is mostly a support roll and i think he needs more ewar and support based weapons/modules
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 985	Posted - 2014.04.04 01:54:00 - [85] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Honestly, I don't even think scout needs two. It's not like a scout would survive a long shootout just to switch to the secondary and be saved by it. I personally would be ok with only one L slot on a scout. What???? Surely you jest. Well my play style wont suffer too much at least. With higher hp I think it may be a different story. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 51	Posted - 2014.04.05 13:58:00 - [86] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Honestly, I don't even think scout needs two. It's not like a scout would survive a long shootout just to switch to the secondary and be saved by it. I personally would be ok with only one L slot on a scout. What???? Surely you jest. Well my play style wont suffer too much at least. With higher hp I think it may be a different story. What about all the people that actually use their sidearm? xD Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be there


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