DUST Search - Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots?

Meee One wrote:

Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots
Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot
Medium logistics- Light weapon slot
Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot

Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots?
I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2.

Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot?
It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit.

It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses.
While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced...

True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad.
So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs)

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Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 662	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:30:00 - [1] - Quote Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 329	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote were awesome Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1195	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:37:00 - [3] - Quote Meee One wrote: It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them. That is in no way balanced... So which developer told you that the scout suit is supposed to be least combat effective? Oh that's right, you just decided that for yourself. Anyway, skill Amarr logi if you want to have a logi with a sidearm Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2937	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:38:00 - [4] - Quote Ok, we will give up a sidearm slot when you give up a light weapon. Better yet, lose 3 slots and 2 equipment slots. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 88	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:40:00 - [5] - Quote I could see them restricted to 1 light weapon slot, but giving them 1 side arm slot only? that is ********.
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:44:00 - [6] - Quote Shotgun scouts? Snipers? Any of these things ring a bell? Just because they have the least amount of health, that doesn't mean they aren't meant for combat. In and out of hiatus frequently.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 903	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote This perception that scouts are only recon, so far as I can see, is neither an intention nor a reality in this game. I would like to see this definition from a CCP based blog/website before I believe that is what scouts were only meant to be. Otherwise, this is merely your interpretation. In which case you are forcing those of another suit, or those of the same suit but different aspirations, to bow to your role. Looking for the scout hangout?
Patrick57 6538	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:47:00 - [8] - Quote Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 959	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:49:00 - [9] - Quote They were going to lose a sidearm but the CPM members stated that a sidearm would be cool with Cloak and Nova Knives. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1663	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote recon doesn't over power it out plays. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 663	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? LOL "merely". Logis may get the most slots but they don't count for jack if someone can out run you,be invisible and OHK you,and still out tank you. This doesn't even count REs which mainly logis are the targets of. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1366	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [12] - Quote because dogs like peanut butter... thats why Canari Elphus for CPM1
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2122	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:51:00 - [13] - Quote As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 429	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:52:00 - [14] - Quote Cause ** * thats why!
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1569	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:53:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) I think that only having one sidearm slot is a bit much. This would seriously limit many scouts... rifle scouts, sniper scouts, shotty scouts. I would be happy though if the scout with 2 EQ slots could only equip a light weapon (or put a sidearm in this slot) and the scout with 2 weapon slots only had 1 EQ slot. Like the old B-Type scout. She was sweet.... Double posting like a Kaiser.
Patrick57 6542	Posted - 2014.04.02 00:58:00 - [16] - Quote Meee One wrote: LOL "merely". Logis may get the most slots but they don't count for jack if someone can out run you,be invisible and OHK you,and still out tank you. This doesn't even count REs which mainly logis are the targets of. The only Scout that can out tank a Logi is the Gallente, and even that could be a stretch because Logis can get 1000+ HP. I target Heavies with REs more than Logis. Generally it takes more than one shot to take down a good Logi. This is just another butthurt Cloak thread. Don't nerf my crutch! When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 663	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:00:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 837	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? You say that like they couldn't wreak havoc with out the cloak. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Patrick57 6544	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:03:00 - [19] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Are you seriously comparing Logis, who have more mod and Equipment slots than any other class suit, to Scouts, who get merely a Cloak to make them (more or less) balanced? You say that like they couldn't wreak havoc with out the cloak. It at least takes some skill to do that. When I'm depressed I cut myself.... a BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE
Oswald Rehnquist 1319	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:05:00 - [20] - Quote One weapon slot isn't feasible and gimps the min scout who gets a knife bonus. If there were going to be a slot nerf, just demote the light weapon slot to a sidearm slot. This would fix the non skill tactic of shotgun/cloak. Below 28 dB

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2122	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:05:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed Sounds like QQ to me. Scouts have always been the same, except now we have cloaks and a bit more fitting requirements. As a logi, you can speed tank better than a scout, you can play E-War better than a scout, you can tank better than a scout, can also wield a shotgun, can also use cloak (with penalty but whatever), and can even outrun a scout if you really want to. You only die quick if you're a pure shield tanker, otherwise we need an extra shot or two to kill you.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 84	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote Meee One wrote: Heavy -Heavy weapon slot,sidearm slot -or- 2x light weapon slots Medium+ assault- Light weapon slot,sidearm slot Medium logistics- Light weapon slot Light-Light weapon slot, sidearm slot Why do scouts get 2 weapon slots? I mean seriously,logistics,the work horse of the battlefield gets 1,while the suit below them in the suit food chain gets 2. Shouldn't they be limited to just a single sidearm slot? It's the recon unit it isn't supposed to be able to overpower any other suit. It really sucks that the suit with the most responsibilities,and least survival rate has only one weapon,and 0 adequate defenses. While the suit that's supposed to be the least combat effective can OHK them, and get away completely unseen. That is in no way balanced... True logibros know you can never count on your team to defend/fight on your behalf,even in a squad. So before you post in your stupidly i've already replied.(see above about "let your team/squad defend you" bs) U christian? (Saw your signature) Join the channel GamersForChrist in game, we have bible studies every sunday at 4:30pst/7:30est. Send an application if ur interested in our corp. ^ <----- corp name -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1356	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:10:00 - [23] - Quote Because if they didn't they would whine and cry until CCP gave them one. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Rusty Shallows 1360	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: I could see them restricted to 1 light weapon slot, but giving them 1 side arm slot only? that is *******. That was the original plan. The community rallied (for the most part) and supported Scout's keeping the sidearm. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!* >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Contaminator Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 22	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:33:00 - [25] - Quote Well the biggest problem right now is that damage wise suits dont make any sense. In EVE you have frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, carriers, etc. Now a small frigate can come in and take on another frigate or cruiser, even battle cruisers depending on pilot skill level and some other factors. However, if frigates are better at harassing the enemy with ewar and scouting and such. They are restricted to this role by their inability to do damage to bigger ships. They are PHYSICALLY restrained in how much DPS they can do. You can't fit battleship guns on to frigates and go LOLshipping away. In Dust you can fit your weapon of choice (heavy weapons being the exception) on any suit and they all do the same damage. that means a scout (frigate) can do the same DPS that an assault can do (cruiser/battlecruiser) and the same DPS as a heavy can do (battleship?). So the scout gets the speed, the agility, high HP (in brick tank fits) AND they can still do the same DPS as other suits with the same weapon. I think there are lots of problems with scouts right now (but also with pretty much every suit across the board so don't think im QQ biased) The main thing is DPS potential. To stay on topic/ TL;DR - there is really no reason that Scout suits should get a light weapon AND a side arm. That said I think LIGHT suits (notice i said light not scout) should have both light and sidearm slots as they are not specialized they are less HP more mobility suit. SCOUTS (notice I said scout not light) should be given a light weapon only. They are a specialized suit with a SPECIFIC role on the battle field... guess what it is... scout... That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to kill things. however, if you are a scout you should be scouting not cloak/bricktank/assault. Its a similar problem to Logi in 1.7 Slot layout, bonuses and stats don't entirely meet up with what the roll is described. sorry for the wall of text "If you encounter a tactic you have trouble in handling, change YOUR tactics. Don't blame the game or the balancing."
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 284	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:37:00 - [26] - Quote Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload Did you just make all that ** up? Logi outscans, yes they outrun, yes they outstrafe, out tank? Yer just ******. Everyone gets a sidearm but logis which get literally evrything else. Just shutup and go beatoff with your CoD buddies GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1665	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:43:00 - [27] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Meee One wrote: Joel II X wrote: As a logi, you get more slots and capable of carrying more equipment. All lost to a single shot from any level shotgun. Delivered by an invisible scout,who can.... -out scan you -out run you -out strafe you -tank more than you but still have high speed -Have a backup weapon just incase they have to reload Did you just make all that **** up? Logi is the one that outscans, yes scouts outrun, yes scouts outstrafe, out tank? Yer just an idiot for saying that. Everyone gets a sidearm but logis which get literally evrything else. Just shutup and go beatoff with your CoD buddies turn speed is the same for all suits. an unplated minmatar med frame will strafe almost fast as a scout. a plated scout strafes at about the speed of any shield tanking med. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Rasp Terriblz Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 7	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:45:00 - [28] - Quote This is probably the most ******** thread I have read on this forum. Your logic pains me...
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1371	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:54:00 - [29] - Quote CAELAN Andoril wrote: Shotgun scouts? Snipers? Any of these things ring a bell? Just because they have the least amount of health, that doesn't mean they aren't meant for combat. Only an idiot snipes in a scout suit. It is by far the worst fit for it. At this point you'd be best off using a Cal Commando since you'd get a 10% damage mod from skills and be able to stack damage mods on top of that. ^off topic I know but it had to be said. Fun > Realism
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2940	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:01:00 - [30] - Quote This was a April fools joke...wasn't it... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire



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