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BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 251	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:20:00 - [1] - Quote Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1964	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:31:00 - [2] - Quote I would like a respec as well I've skilled all rifles too pro 5 but only use rail since i run cal assault.. I'll sign. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3812	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:34:00 - [3] - Quote So you plan on never revisiting the AR? That is possible... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 169	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:35:00 - [4] - Quote When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 653	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:39:00 - [5] - Quote No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it.
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:45:00 - [6] - Quote tbf the AR is still an awesome weapon, all the qq about it is so undeserved
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:58:00 - [7] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on. I know LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:00:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah it truly sucks for anyone running assault.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:03:00 - [9] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Two things: 1. I run MinLogi and don't have a sidearm no haven't skilled into flaylock. 2. When I do skill into a sidearm it will be the flaylock/submachine gun bc they are Minmatar. Did you not read the post at all? "Not a FOTM chaser, Minmatar extremist" Only mentioned SP for the AR no other weapon. Please use your eyes and brain to read and comprehend before you make accusations with no foundation. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:05:00 - [10] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: tbf the AR is still an awesome weapon, all the qq about it is so undeserved Never said it wasn't. I don't use it anymore bc I want to be pure Minmatar and now can. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ

VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 94	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:06:00 - [11] - Quote heard maybe 1.9. would be nice .........hmg was broke for 4 months so i had to spec to **** i didnt want to .
Cinnamon267 119	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:07:00 - [12] - Quote No. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you get those points back. Not how it works. SP is a valuable thing. Although it's value diminishes when you get silly SP refunds like the one you're asking for. I'll, probably, never use Flaylock pistols again, to be fair I was using them before it was cool and then everyone started using them I AIN'T NO FOTM CHASER DAWG!, but it doesn't mean I should get those points back.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 673	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:15:00 - [13] - Quote Sign "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
J0LLY R0G3R Dirt Nap Squad. 675	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:17:00 - [14] - Quote Nope, try again tomorrow. XD ++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++ XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:18:00 - [15] - Quote Cinnamon267 wrote: No. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you get those points back. Not how it works. SP is a valuable thing. Although it's value diminishes when you get silly SP refunds like the one you're asking for. I'll, probably, never use Flaylock pistols again, to be fair I was using them before it was cool and then everyone started using them I AIN'T NO FOTM CHASER DAWG!, but it doesn't mean I should get those points back. Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2163	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:27:00 - [16] - Quote Nah. You can deal with it. I have up to advanced, if not prototype with Prof., of every weapon, spare for Bolt Pistol and Magsec (due to lack of interest in both). As of 1.8, I use only four: Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, and randomly the Ion. I'm not complaining about having done all of this because, well, it doesn't matter. I can use anything I'd like outside of those two weapons I mentioned. Do I? No. Do I have over 500+ full prototype fittings that became obsolete over the course of time? Sure do. Logistics of two races, Amarrian Commandos, Amarrian Sentinels, Amarrian basics, Minmatar Scouts (don't ask, it was a phase at the time I started stocking), and so on and so forth, not even mentioning the weapons. Am I complaining about it? Nah. Did I spec into them over FotM? Nawh. I'm a non-believer of that ****. I do what I want, yo. One day I'll go back to them. One day. Just one day. Do I regret speccing into anything, looking back now? Nah. It was a blast learning the pros and cons of every suit and weapon (thanks to my alts for the suits). Experience is key to this game. With it, you can use anything and stomp. Never forget. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 972	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote This is a horrible idea. You spent the SP. It's gone and you don't get it back. That's the way it works. The argument that there should be a respec when all weapons are finally in the game is also total crap. I see so many people assuming that it will happen but there's no reason at all for it to happen. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 246	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:33:00 - [18] - Quote Oh come on, there isn't a total skill point cap, jut spec into the new weapon - you can survive the one week of playtime.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:43:00 - [19] - Quote Full Respec
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 199	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:52:00 - [20] - Quote +1 for weapon respec. I'm full caldari now in fits so naturally I want full caldari in weapons. Now I have levelled only RR and Magsec to proto+prof (AR proto+, CR lvl4, scr lvl4, sidearms lvl3-4) I want to go full racial. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4671	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:55:00 - [21] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2232	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:02:00 - [22] - Quote -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster/Missles -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration...
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:19:00 - [23] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: This is a horrible idea. You spent the SP. It's gone and you don't get it back. That's the way it works. The argument that there should be a respec when all weapons are finally in the game is also total crap. I see so many people assuming that it will happen but there's no reason at all for it to happen. BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. Same concept for the weapons. How many existed at the start? If the game had everything available I would understand the, "You spent the SP it's gone agruement." Let's try a different view point. Hypotheticly all racial weapons and assets are released. Heavy weapons and vehicles. Two corps are going against each other in PC. One is pure Minmatar the other is pure Gallente. Aside from the inherent advanatges of weapon type and damage resistance. The Gallente would hold a huge advantage. Their weapons and vehicles have been here since the start and they have the Skills maxed and was able to spend the extra SP into Core Skills. The Minmatar's haven't and were "forced" (no other choice at the time) to waste SP into another race's tech. Of course that scenario doesn't exist. But the point Dust has race differential, so why should one race be gimped bc their gear wasn't available. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:30:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols? ^Thank you for explaining HIS LOGIC TO HIM!^ "There was only 1 Heavy suits FFS so it's not like they had options" is the same exact thing I'm saying about skilling into the AR. There were no options. Which applies to side arms and will apply to the other Heavy Weapons, Vehicles when they come. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:40:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster/Missles -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration... I'm just getting excited and having a harder time waiting lol. I've been quietly waiting for sooo long. This thread really opened my eyes to the type of player base we have here on Dust or at least the forums. All there is to do is wait. I wonder how many people will change their stance when the racial heavy weapons/vehicles drop though. From "NO REFUND you spent it" to "Well it wasn't available to me at the time so I think it's fair to have the choice". When the time comes......
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 38	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:41:00 - [26] - Quote Man ya'll a bunch of racists =p
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1052	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:42:00 - [27] - Quote No.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 867	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:55:00 - [28] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on. The interesting this is when are all racial weapons out? Where do you draw the line in the sand? We have full racial "rifles" at the moment, only 1 "sniper", 2 "light AV", 2 "special weapons" (Laser Rifle and Mass Driver), and 2 heavy weapons. What about melee weapons? Then what if they add something new? It is really hard to determine "when all racial weapons are out." Obviously if they go "here is everything" in a total data dump but what if it is given little by little? Imagine if the Scrambler, Rail, and Combat Rifle as well as the Flaylock Ion Pistol, Magsec and Bolt Pistol, came out at the same time as full racial parity for Dropsuits. There probably would have been a refund for the Weaponry Tree because of the massive amount of stuff released. If it trickles in slowly though, it will just be considered "adding new content." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1055	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:09:00 - [29] - Quote Weapons still work and anyone can equip them - i.e no suit is limited to what they can carry any more than before. The only difference is that if you choose to run racial weapons then you get benefits. Almost all of which are in the nature of letting them fire longer / more accurately. The damage and general performance doesn't change. Its a tactical bonus. So why should the weapons be respeced? If, for instance, scouts or log's were limited to sidearms then yes they'd be entitled to a respec. Even Commando's rock with any weapon. PLC's, MD's and, well, pretty much any rifle is deadly in their hands as they have the reload bonus that means they always kick out an impressive amount of fire. Same with Logi's and equipment - Minies don't have to run a rep tool. Its just if that's you choose to you'll do it better than other logi's "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4677	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:14:00 - [30] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: So why should the weapons be respeced? Because, as we already said, there hasn't been a respec for Rifles (the primary weapon for most players) since we got full racial parity on them. Because there's a good selection of racial Sidearm variants now. Because maybe we don't need a FULL Weapon respec, but Rifle and Sidearm skills at least would be reasonable to ask for right now.

Type 2910 MK-II The United Peoples' Tactical Force 52	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:15:00 - [31] - Quote I will sign this petition Signed: Type 2910 MK-II
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1055	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:17:00 - [32] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: So why should the weapons be respeced? Because, as we already said, there hasn't been a respec for Rifles (the primary weapon for most players) since we got full racial parity on them. Because there's a good selection of racial Sidearm variants now. Because maybe we don't need a FULL Weapon respec, but Rifle and Sidearm skills at least would be reasonable to ask for right now. Maybe when the heavy weapons come out we'll have racial parity. Its not here now. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4677	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:29:00 - [33] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: So why should the weapons be respeced? Because, as we already said, there hasn't been a respec for Rifles (the primary weapon for most players) since we got full racial parity on them. Because there's a good selection of racial Sidearm variants now. Because maybe we don't need a FULL Weapon respec, but Rifle and Sidearm skills at least would be reasonable to ask for right now. Maybe when the heavy weapons come out we'll have racial parity. Its not here now. So... that happened.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 973	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:32:00 - [34] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Stop being stupid. You know damn well that is a completely different situation from what was going on with dropsuits. Which was a totally unique situation and a one-time deal. Quote: Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why shouldn't they have refunded SP? Because there was no reason to. Everyone keeps throwing around "racial parity' like it's the most important goddamn thing in the history of mankind. It isn't. I agree that it is something that will be good when it happens. Doesn't mean anyone should expect to get their SP back. When you spend SP on a skill it needs to gone for good and you need to make your decisions with that in mind. Otherwise your choices don't matter any more and we can all just **** around like it's closed BETA. So why shouldn't we get the SP back because all of a sudden we got Racial Parity up in this ***? Because it is bad for the game. Quote:** Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols? Because that would have been stupid. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 6	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:57:00 - [35] - Quote You are not going to get your SP back because , to get a proto suit you need to spent 700k isk on skill book & atleast 2.7 mil SP, but for the weapons just 150k isk & maybe 500k SP. Grind SP for a week & you ll have your proto weapon but not the suit. You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
SALH Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:09:00 - [36] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. I agree CCP need to give us all a weapon respec. I have maxed out the AR, and even max skill into it. I feel robbed because of the recent nerf to the assault weapons. I took all the time to completely max it out just for it to get nerfed and now NO one or I hardly uses it.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4680	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:11:00 - [37] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Stop being stupid. You know damn well that is a completely different situation from what was going on with dropsuits. Which was a totally unique situation and a one-time deal. We got racial parity on dropsuits, there was a refund of SP for dropsuits. We got racial parity on Rifles, there was... NOTHING. Not seeing the difference between getting racial parity and getting racial parity. Please explain? Quote: Quote: Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why shouldn't they have refunded SP? Because there was no reason to. Everyone keeps throwing around "racial parity' like it's the most important goddamn thing in the history of mankind. It isn't. This game is part of an extensive online ROLEPLAYING GAME UNIVERSE. People want to ROLEPLAY a character. We have races we can affiliate ourselves with, and those races produce a variety of weapons and equipment. YEAH, RACIAL PARITY IS A BIG DEAL. My request for a weapon SP refund is not about mechanics, FOTM, or anything else except that PEOPLE HAVE SP INVESTED IN SOMETHING THEIR CHARACTER WOULDN'T USE. The arguments against it claim that the dropsuit SP refund was valid because we finally got racial parity. Racial parity is used as a primary reason why we got a refund on those skills. How anyone who supports that argument can be against the same reasoning for a PARTIAL refund of weapon SP (only the weapons with parity or near enough to it) is beyond me.
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 88	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:12:00 - [38] - Quote Sign I QQ for respec. :)
SALH Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:17:00 - [39] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Stop being stupid. You know damn well that is a completely different situation from what was going on with dropsuits. Which was a totally unique situation and a one-time deal. Quote: Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why shouldn't they have refunded SP? Because there was no reason to. Everyone keeps throwing around "racial parity' like it's the most important goddamn thing in the history of mankind. It isn't. I agree that it is something that will be good when it happens. Doesn't mean anyone should expect to get their SP back. When you spend SP on a skill it needs to gone for good and you need to make your decisions with that in mind. Otherwise your choices don't matter any more and we can all just **** around like it's closed BETA. So why shouldn't we get the SP back because all of a sudden we got Racial Parity up in this ***? Because it is bad for the game. Quote:** Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols? Because that would have been stupid. Well it was stupid to give us the repec for DS then. CCP did say since the new DS wasn't available to everyone at the time, that they would give us all a respec on the day of 1.8. Why couldn't they have given us a weapon respec right along with it since new weapons were being introduced?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1075	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:21:00 - [40] - Quote I so agree with the OP. And believe the DS upgrades should have one as well. However, I seriously doubt that CCP, CCP/Shanghai or anyone working there or even the CPM dudes and dudettes give a Kitten Excrement about it. This is in line with CCP/Mothership's corporate motto of HTFU. They want you to waste SP, preferably ISK and AUR as well. The more that is lost the more you need. While that mindset seems to work (who really knows as EVE player churn is not published) for EVE Online. That attitude just turns off F2P, RPG and FPS players. It would be different, even in my view, if the game was solid. That is the last word I would use to describe the current and near term condition of Dust514. The OP invested in AR because that was a good choice, then CCP/Shanghai made it a bad choice. Decisions have consequences in CCP land. But that is twisted into a hated mess when the decision's basis was repeatedly changed after the decision and by CCP/Shanghai themselves. This was not the fault of the OP or any Dust514 player. I think it is Icelandic for Hose The Funny Users, but I might be wrong about that. It does feel that way. And so it goes.

IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 120	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:21:00 - [41] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. not gonna happen it would break the game...whatwas the point of me working for something if i can just trde it for the best something else. you just like the flavour of the month.... find aweapon stick to it.... actually get good withit beforeqqing Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 258	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:43:00 - [42] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Stop being stupid. You know damn well that is a completely different situation from what was going on with dropsuits. Which was a totally unique situation and a one-time deal. Quote: Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why shouldn't they have refunded SP? Because there was no reason to. Everyone keeps throwing around "racial parity' like it's the most important goddamn thing in the history of mankind. It isn't. I agree that it is something that will be good when it happens. Doesn't mean anyone should expect to get their SP back. When you spend SP on a skill it needs to gone for good and you need to make your decisions with that in mind. Otherwise your choices don't matter any more and we can all just **** around like it's closed BETA. So why shouldn't we get the SP back because all of a sudden we got Racial Parity up in this ***? Because it is bad for the game. Quote:** Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols? Because that would have been stupid. So black and white isn't it? Well it's not. While I agree SP spent should "Mean" something it actually means very little in a competitive FPS environment where diversity and specialization is preach when one race has to gimp theirselves (save SP) while Minmatar they wait for their supplemental equipment to be released (in this case weapons). Take 2 players, each have the same amount of SP. Player A is Gallente, Player B is Minmatar. Player A would hold a distinct advantage over player B. Player A's gear has been here and he skilled into it. Player B's wasn't so he either hasn't spent his SP and been gimped the whole time, just now on a level playing field. Or he skilled into the only things available to him which doesn't help him at ALL now that there is racial parity and is currently gimped. If balance is what we all truly desire then act like it. When the time comes......
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 258	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:47:00 - [43] - Quote SALH wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. I agree CCP need to give us all a weapon respec. I have maxed out the AR, and even max skill into it. I feel robbed because of the recent nerf to the assault weapons. I took all the time to completely max it out just for it to get nerfed and now NO one or I hardly uses it. A minor changes for balence issues does not warrent a refund. A major game changing dynamic such as racial bonus and racial weapons does. When the time comes......
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 259	Posted - 2014.03.30 12:20:00 - [44] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. not gonna happen it would break the game...whatwas the point of me working for something if i can just trde it for the best something else. you just like the flavour of the month.... find aweapon stick to it.... actually get good withit beforeqqing So you have a problem comprehending what you read, don't you? How would this "break the game" by allowing Minmatar and Caladari an even playing field? That they would be able to skill into their racial weapons and have SP in their core skills such as a Gallente or Amarr? I'm not trading the AR for, "the best something else". I'm "trading" it for MY RACIAL WEAPON!!!!! Which wasn't an option for me when I skilled into the AR. No sir I do not FOTM thank you very much. I skill into MINMATAR! Which to someone as simple minded as you seems to be the FOTM bc, MY RACIAL GUN DIDN'T FREAKIN EXIST!!! When the time comes......
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 717	Posted - 2014.03.30 12:37:00 - [45] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: I'm am a Minmatar extremist CCP doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Anyways, since I joined (Chromosome), I've been pure Amarr. Ran only a heavy suit and a laser rifle in Chrome (laser was good then, but that's besides the point). I only ran that one suit until Uprising. Uprising was when we had a full SP refund for everything (and was when the ScR came out, so there were actually two weapons, not one, the last time we had a weapon respec, but that's beside the point as well.) All my SP went right back to where it was before, because I didn't waste SP on "place holders." Now I had my racial Fine Rifle and a medium suit to use. But if they hadn't come out, I would have continued to run lasers and heavies. The amarr still don't have AV weapons, so I only use a miltia forge gun for my AV work (I don't bother with militia swarms, lol). My Amarr alt for Vehicles has 8m unspent SP because the Amarr don't have vehicles yet. So he uses miltia turrets both large and small. I guess what I'm saying is that I've been very patient. I'll continue to be patient, and wait for the glorious Amarr AV and whatnot. Take that however. Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3433	Posted - 2014.03.30 12:46:00 - [46] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? I GÖú Kittens.
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 87	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:00:00 - [47] - Quote I don't see why they didn't do a full infantry respec. Everyone wanted it. and he said unto them, "Bring ye all your trolls, that they shall feed".
BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 87	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:01:00 - [48] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? The absolute worst weapon in the game is the plasma cannon.. I think you need to try one. and he said unto them, "Bring ye all your trolls, that they shall feed".
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 586	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:04:00 - [49] - Quote were probably getting the heavy weapons in the next patch, so well get the refund then It'll help define roles, i promise:)
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:14:00 - [50] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? Damn, there is one? I've been running remotes and cloak cause everything is broken. Signed, Sealed, Delivered

marksmn Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:16:00 - [51] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. the flaylock has had some sort of buff because i was owning with it yesterday
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3435	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:27:00 - [52] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? The absolute worst weapon in the game is the plasma cannon.. I think you need to try one. Last time I used one (1.6) it was capable of OHKs - if you could aim it properly. Flaylocks had to put >3 shots into a Nanohive to bust them. I heard Flays got a slight buff, but I haven't ****** with them yet. I GÖú Kittens.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3435	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:28:00 - [53] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? Damn, there is one? I've been running remotes and cloak cause everything is broken. Cloaked, Bricked Gallente Shotgun Scout? I GÖú Kittens.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 262	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:30:00 - [54] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: I'm am a Minmatar extremist CCP doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Anyways, since I joined (Chromosome), I've been pure Amarr. Ran only a heavy suit and a laser rifle in Chrome (laser was good then, but that's besides the point). I only ran that one suit until Uprising. Uprising was when we had a full SP refund for everything (and was when the ScR came out, so there were actually two weapons, not one, the last time we had a weapon respec, but that's beside the point as well.) All my SP went right back to where it was before, because I didn't waste SP on "place holders." Now I had my racial Fine Rifle and a medium suit to use. But if they hadn't come out, I would have continued to run lasers and heavies. The amarr still don't have AV weapons, so I only use a miltia forge gun for my AV work (I don't bother with militia swarms, lol). My Amarr alt for Vehicles has 8m unspent SP because the Amarr don't have vehicles yet. So he uses miltia turrets both large and small. I guess what I'm saying is that I've been very patient. I'll continue to be patient, and wait for the glorious Amarr AV and whatnot. Take that however. 1st LMAO! I understand where you are coming from. I saved for the longest time but the comes a point in time where you don't enjoy playing the game bc you know that little bit of extra kick for your weapon would make all the difference. Still I don't feel CCP should force players into gimping their merc while they wait. IDK in my mind it's like this, Why should I buy boosters to put myself on a level playing field while I have SP into a weapon I wanted nothing to do with in the first place. But skilled into to stay competitive while the Devs took their time releasing content that should have been in before the "official release". Yes it's a "free game", CCP wants you to spend money on boosters and AUR. I would be more willing to fork over my cash if I didn't feel like I was getting screwed from behind with no lube, sandpaper rubber and a hair dryer running. When the time comes......
Yeeeuuuupppp 213	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:27:00 - [55] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Fine, I'll keep my nearly maxed flaylock but I want my points for the plc back CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Yeeeuuuupppp 214	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:29:00 - [56] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: The Headless Horseman wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? Damn, there is one? I've been running remotes and cloak cause everything is broken. Cloaked, Bricked Gallente Shotgun Scout? Don't forget the magsec CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2925	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:31:00 - [57] - Quote Signed, now that we have almost everything and I can now use exactly what I want, I have millions in weapons I'll never use. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Yeeeuuuupppp 214	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:31:00 - [58] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: BIind Shot wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Somebody must've really whipped your ass with a Flaylock to have you still antsy about them 6 months after they were made the absolute worst weapon in this game. So, which FotM did TP find acceptable to exploit for this patch? The absolute worst weapon in the game is the plasma cannon.. I think you need to try one. Last time I used one (1.6) it was capable of OHKs - if you could aim it properly. Flaylocks had to put >3 shots into a Nanohive to bust them. I heard Flays got a slight buff, but I haven't **** with them yet. Dual GN-13 flaylocks ftw 13/2/2... I love it! CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9**" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Omega Black Zero Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:32:00 - [59] - Quote I personally thought it made no sense not to respec the entire tree, because of all the new racial variants. The only people who were QQ'ing were the high level corps because god forbid a people specialized into something else that might out their personal builds.
RendonaSix In Aliena Amarr Legionem 61	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:32:00 - [60] - Quote Signed, I'm now Amarr only, I have a couple million in scum I'll never use, ever. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1188	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:51:00 - [61] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. We got the dropsuit respec because this community is infested by whiny losers like you who can't live with the choices they make.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 161	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:02:00 - [62] - Quote Not all weapons are out yet, wait a bit for those heavies and we might be getting even more, maybe. When those come out I'll happily want a respect, got like 6 different weapons on level 5 that i don't use, got Scramblers at prof 4, i could use that sp for the rest of my caldari gear
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4565	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:07:00 - [63] - Quote So, you're asking for a respec for something that happened in 1.7, after you've been given the opportunity to receive up to 3 million SP in an event last build. I am your scan error.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 161	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:09:00 - [64] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. We got the dropsuit respec because this community is infested by whiny losers like you who can't live with the choices they make. Dropsuit refund was because we got the rest of the racial dropsuits. Example; i really want a caldari scout or caldari heavy, but they don't have it out, so ill have to get by with this gallente scout or Ammar heavy. Those weren't choices we made, more like choices we were forced into. What you said was just plain rude you Donkey.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 5	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:18:00 - [65] - Quote Screw that, just let my buy a respec whenever I want from the AUR store. I don't even care if you charged $20 US, it'd be the only thing that I buy from the store! I don't care about AUR suits, weapons, vehicles, modules, and I've only bought an omega booster for the million clone event! Game-breaking they call it, but how can it be any more game breaking than the weapons they screw with every update? Why did my favorite CR's suddenly suck in comparision to the assault rifles? I've replaced my Six Kin assault CR for a BLOODY DUVOLLE ASSAULT RIFLE on PC matches!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2538	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:52:00 - [66] - Quote 1) You can't be serious. It only takes like a month, maybe 2, to skill a weapon up. Going past prof 3 is a waste in a lot of weapons now anyway. 2) WTF did you do with the 2-3 mil we got like 2 weeks ago? 2) Be careful what you ask for. The circle of ~~life~~ nerf will come back around and bite you in the ass. LR and MD are making a comeback, I'm glad I still have those weapons because the CR is bound to have some unfortunate accident happen to it sooner or later. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 101	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:58:00 - [67] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. The game is still in beta, if it was a full game i'll say deal with it but not when the current state of it is in beta.
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 87	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:11:00 - [68] - Quote Oh how I'd kill for this. I have lvl 4 in AR's, and I never use them anymore. Also have 1 point put into every other weapon. Wouldn't it be nice...
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 7	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:53:00 - [69] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 1) You can't be serious. It only takes like a month, maybe 2, to skill a weapon up. Going past prof 3 is a waste in a lot of weapons now anyway. 2) WTF did you do with the 2-3 mil we got like 2 weeks ago? 2) Be careful what you ask for. The circle of ~~life~~ nerf will come back around and bite you in the ass. LR and MD are making a comeback, I'm glad I still have those weapons because the CR is bound to have some unfortunate accident happen to it sooner or later. Yes, it only takes a month of continued playing to skill up a new weapon, but you know what? Maybe I'm impatient but I hate being stomped for a month before I get something up to decent levels. Like the shotgun, it can kill just about any suit i have in 2 or 3 shots no matter it's meta level. That million clone challenge can easily be spent. The total cost of every skill in the game as of 1.7 was 279 million skill points (and some change). Personally, I spent it all on Dropsuit Engineering and Dropsuit Electronics since my corp & alliance were encouraging players to push for those skills to properly fit suits for PC matches. Lastly, I agree that the CR should have been nerfed, and in all honesty I agree with the damage reduction (to a point) and the proficiency skill change. But when a gun that should be doing 1386 damage a clip (Six Kin 21 damage per bullet * 66 clip size) takes a full clip of accurate fire to kill about 400 shields then I call BS and wish for a respec opportunity. Not because the weapon has been nerfed, but because CCP has messed with the weapon mechanics in such a way that it becomes hard to use or unusable for my needs. It should not take 2-4 clips to take down a medium or a light (even with the full light buff in mind). That's 2772-5544 points of damage needed to kill other suits!
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 719	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:05:00 - [70] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: Lastly, I agree that the CR should have been nerfed, and in all honesty I agree with the damage reduction (to a point) and the proficiency skill change. But when a gun that should be doing 1386 damage a clip (Six Kin 21 damage per bullet * 66 clip size) takes a full clip of accurate fire to kill about 400 shields then I call BS and wish for a respec opportunity. There's some bug happening then, as the CR only has a -5% efficiency against shields. Projectle weapons have the best profile in the game. Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14. A manu dei et tet rimon.

Derrith Erador Arrogance. 1417	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:07:00 - [71] - Quote signed. I want my new copy of chicks with guns. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1292	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:09:00 - [72] - Quote +1 I skilled into the AR because it was part of the free fitting that every race received. Seven patches later I was finally given a Caldari rifle to skill into... by then I had already gotten AR op V and AR prof III. I also skilled into ScP for the same reasons. We now have much MUCH more weapon variety. We NEED a weaponry respec. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 294	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:18:00 - [73] - Quote FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6288	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:24:00 - [74] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: not gonna happen it would break the game...whatwas the point of me working for something if i can just trde it for the best something else. you just like the flavour of the month.... find aweapon stick to it.... actually get good withit beforeqqing How would it break the game? Because FOTM? Lol. With or without a respec, a FoTM chaser would skill into the FoTM. That's why their called chasers. Also, a FoTM is just that. A Flavor of The Month. Unless your offering a resec, every month, it wouldn't change anything. CCP would balance the item, and you'd be left with useless SP. To Clarify: Quote: Let's look at what would happen if a respec is given: 1. FoTM Scrub gets a respec 2. FoTM Scrub uses the SP and specs into the FoTM. 3. CCP nerfs the FoTM. 4. FoTM scrub is left with useless SP. Quote: Let's look at what would happen if a respec is not given: 1. FoTM Scrub receives no respec. 2. FoTM Scrub specs into FoTM 3. CCP nerfs the FoTM 4. FoTM Scrub is left with uselessness SP In terms of the Flavor of The Month, there would be no change in usage. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 75	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:26:00 - [75] - Quote Ill sign, spread out to far and new guns came out. -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6288	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:26:00 - [76] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: There's some bug happening then, as the CR only has a -5% efficiency against shields. Projectle weapons have the best profile in the game. That's not a bug. Projectile Weapons are supposed to have a -5% / +10% efficency. Source. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 49	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:29:00 - [77] - Quote Here is zome instructions for you: 1. Stop whine 2.man up and earn your sp 3.spec in to whatever the hell you want No proto in public matches!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThWFhoB8kS8&feature=youtu.be
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6289	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:32:00 - [78] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Here is zome instructions for you: 1. Stop whine 2.man up and earn your sp 3.spec in to whatever the hell you want Or... CCP could own up and correct the issues that resulted from their failures to provide racial content for the four races. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 279	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:32:00 - [79] - Quote signed
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1969	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:35:00 - [80] - Quote Mregomies wrote: +1 for weapon respec. I'm full caldari now in fits so naturally I want full caldari in weapons. Now I have levelled only RR and Magsec to proto+prof (AR proto+, CR lvl4, scr lvl4, sidearms lvl3-4) I want to go full racial. I have all rifles pro 5 I run cal assault the only rifles that matters to me now is the RR but people don't seem to understand that.. cuz they don't run assaults so the weapon bonus means nothing too them. So another words I am fully racial and have 4 other racial weapons pro 5 which no long matter too me since you added racial bonuses.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1298	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:40:00 - [81] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: 1.Stop whine 2.man up and earn your sp 3.spec in to whatever the hell you want We aren't whining. This isn't whining, this is a well-reasoned request from paying customers. eing a man has nothing to do with playing Dust. We've already earned the SP, but due to many weapons being missing from the weapon list in 1.0 - 1.6 we weren't able to make educated decisions on what weapons we wanted. We are just asking to be able to put that SP where we would have put it if our weapons WERE ACTUALLY IN THE GAME. Will be happy to, just as soon as CCP provides us with a weaponry respec. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 109	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:10:00 - [82] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration... We're still missing racial knives and light AV.
SPACE SYPHILIS Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:49:00 - [83] - Quote I agree we do need a weapon SP respec, but it needs to wait until all the heavy weapons are released and I am sure there are a few others we know nothing about. So I say wait for 6 months for all weapons to be released and then respec, anything before that would be a waste of time IMO.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 121	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:50:00 - [84] - Quote lets say i got 30 000 000sp and respeced all my weapon...u guys would be qqing off the hook just be glad there wasnt a weapon respec Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2718	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:52:00 - [85] - Quote Definitely for a weapon respec weRideNDie2getha since 2010 (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts)
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 418	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:18:00 - [86] - Quote Sorry but i cannot support this. I was all for the suit respec thinking that people would spec into the racial suit they wanted instead of FoTM, but look at how that turned out. CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1724	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:23:00 - [87] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. iwant that 12000 sp back, immediately. Who wants some?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1724	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:26:00 - [88] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on. this is inconsiderate to paraplegics and amputees. If I was one I would kick your ass. Who wants some?
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 90	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:58:00 - [89] - Quote i wont sign but i will leave this bucket here and return when more tears have filled it to the brim. GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ ....... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!!!!!
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 250	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:09:00 - [90] - Quote lol, you want to go full Minmatar? Never go full Minmatar. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Thanos Warpfiend HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp 16	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:11:00 - [91] - Quote All the racial weapon bonuses really screwed me up when it came to choosing a suit. I'm specced into weapons I would never use in my commando suit, I don't need 10 play styles, I'd just like to make my choice now that we have the racial suti skills. +1 for weapon respec
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 975	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:22:00 - [92] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: 1.Stop whine 2.man up and earn your sp 3.spec in to whatever the hell you want We aren't whining. This isn't whining, this is a well-reasoned request from paying customers. eing a man has nothing to do with playing Dust. We've already earned the SP, but due to many weapons being missing from the weapon list in 1.0 - 1.6 we weren't able to make educated decisions on what weapons we wanted. We are just asking to be able to put that SP where we would have put it if our weapons WERE ACTUALLY IN THE GAME. Will be happy to, just as soon as CCP provides us with a weaponry respec. 1. As a "paying customer" you have the right to receive the agreed upon goods and services at the agreed upon price exactly as it that good or service was represented to you at the time of sale. Everything else is courtesy. Buying AUR doesn't make your position any more or any less valid. "Well reasoned" is bit of a stretch because the only reason I've heard isn't actually very good but that's only my opinion. 2. They will always be adding new content. You want another respec when the new vehicles come out? When pilot suits come out? Do you want a respec every time something new comes out or is there some certain criteria? EVE is over a decade old and they are still adding new ships so when does it end? 3.EVE players have never had any SP refunded unless those skills were completely removed from the game and we are happy. Granted in EVE all when something new was added it would always be for all 4 races at the same time, but still it was something new. Perhaps the issue lies with your expectations and not the game? NOTE:I am aware there was an emergency reset of SP shortly after EVE Online was released but that doesn't really count. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Thanos Warpfiend HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp 16	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:33:00 - [93] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Gaurdian Satyr wrote: 1.Stop whine 2.man up and earn your sp 3.spec in to whatever the hell you want We aren't whining. This isn't whining, this is a well-reasoned request from paying customers. eing a man has nothing to do with playing Dust. We've already earned the SP, but due to many weapons being missing from the weapon list in 1.0 - 1.6 we weren't able to make educated decisions on what weapons we wanted. We are just asking to be able to put that SP where we would have put it if our weapons WERE ACTUALLY IN THE GAME. Will be happy to, just as soon as CCP provides us with a weaponry respec. 1. As a "paying customer" you have the right to receive the agreed upon goods and services at the agreed upon price exactly as it that good or service was represented to you at the time of sale. Everything else is courtesy. Buying AUR doesn't make your position any more or any less valid. "Well reasoned" is bit of a stretch because the only reason I've heard isn't actually very good but that's only my opinion. 2. They will always be adding new content. You want another respec when the new vehicles come out? When pilot suits come out? Do you want a respec every time something new comes out or is there some certain criteria? EVE is over a decade old and they are still adding new ships so when does it end? 3.EVE players have never had any SP refunded unless those skills were completely removed from the game and we are happy. Granted in EVE all when something new was added it would always be for all 4 races at the same time, but still it was something new. Perhaps the issue lies with your expectations and not the game? NOTE:I am aware there was an emergency reset of SP shortly after EVE Online was released but that doesn't really count. The newest faction ships in EVE use the Amarr and Gallente skills, so you get bonuses for those. If I can have my AR skills work for RR or CR then that would be fine with me. But a reset might just be simpler
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1300	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:53:00 - [94] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: 1. As a "paying customer" you have the right to receive the agreed upon goods and services at the agreed upon price exactly as it that good or service was represented to you at the time of sale. Everything else is courtesy. Buying AUR doesn't make your position any more or any less valid. "Well reasoned" is bit of a stretch because the only reason I've heard isn't actually very good but that's only my opinion. 2. They will always be adding new content. You want another respec when the new vehicles come out? When pilot suits come out? Do you want a respec every time something new comes out or is there some certain criteria? EVE is over a decade old and they are still adding new ships so when does it end? 3.EVE players have never had any SP refunded unless those skills were completely removed from the game and we are happy. Granted in EVE all when something new was added it would always be for all 4 races at the same time, but still it was something new. Perhaps the issue lies with your expectations and not the game? No no, paying customers have more of an effect on CCP's decisions that others. If you genuinely believe that they are as concerned with F2P'ers as they are with people who give them money then you are naive. I agreed to give CCP my money, you are right, and that entitled to me to the good/service that was available at the time. I paid for the content in 1.0 and that was the content I received. If CCP wants me to pay for 2.0 forward then they are going to strongly consider a weaponry respec. This isn't a case of NEW content. It's a case of MISSING content. We lacked rifle diversity at launch, as well as sidearm diversity. What was I supposed to do? Just bank all of my SP until my rifle of choice was released? How would I know when that was? They never told me even an approximate time for the rail rifle to be launched so how was I supposed to know? Should all of us just made characters and let them sit, accumulating SP until whatever it was we wanted went live? That sounds thrilling Eve had full racial parity at launch. Stop trying to compare apples and oranges. See: Eve had full racial parity at launch. Imagine if Eve launched but drones and laser weaponry didn't exist... when those weapon systems were finally released you are damn straight the players deserve an SP refund so they can skill into the system that compliments their race. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1300	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:58:00 - [95] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: lets say i got 30 000 000sp and respeced all my weapon...u guys would be qqing off the hook just be glad there wasnt a weapon respec SP != I WIN He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Yeeeuuuupppp 221	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:29:00 - [96] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration... We're still missing racial knives and light AV. Man I want them gallente knives CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 60	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:33:00 - [97] - Quote While I am all for a weapon respec, giving respecs like this simply takes away from CCP's "every decision counts." After all, why do we gain SP? We learn from our mistakes, passively, and actively )) I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 72	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:42:00 - [98] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: I don't see why they didn't do a full infantry respec. Everyone wanted it. It wasn't warranted. Besides, with heavy weapons due to be released at least relatively soon, I fully expect a weapon respec then. There's little to no case to be made to ever refund dropsuit upgrades. 3/10 Federal Marines 3/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 9	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:55:00 - [99] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: While I am all for a weapon respec, giving respecs like this simply takes away from CCP's "every decision counts." After all, why do we gain SP? We learn from our mistakes, passively, and actively )) The way I see it, I agree with you, BUT the big problem lies with CCP's ability to mess around with the programming just enough that for every update they screw up one or more of their weapons. And once again it appears to be problems only for certain clients. Some people are finding favored weapons to be next to useless (for me its the assault CRs needing 2 clips to take out 500 shields, or the assault forge guns misfiring 4 out of every 5 shots) and want the ability to get out of a broken weapon field. For me though, if CCP decides to do a weapon respec I want them to ONLY do it after getting full racial weapons across the board. This means a mid-range rifle, maybe a short range rifle, a long range rifle, a smg, a pistol, nova knives, AV shoulder mounted weapons, heavy short range, heavy long range, and heavy explosives. And I don't think that explosives are ANY race's. I DO NOT think that the Flaylock pistol is Minmatar nor do I think the Mass driver is either. Lore wise, or Eve wise, the explosives have been considered Caldari weapons, but if CCP chooses to make Rails their chosen weapon, then Explosives has to become a shared weapon type. Every race can use them and every race should get a suit with bonuses to them (Don't all have to be the same type of suit though). Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Espartoi Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:58:00 - [100] - Quote Another one of those topics you now that is not gonna happen people. I prefer to call it an i want to buy instead of i demand it. I win you lose.

BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 980	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:01:00 - [101] - Quote I submitted a formal petition to CCP Customer Support requesting a Weapon SP respec before 1.8 dropped and was kindly told in Corporate speak to go **** myself slowly. Good luck with this petition.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 977	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:54:00 - [102] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: No no, paying customers have more of an effect on CCP's decisions that others. If you genuinely believe that they are as concerned with F2P'ers as they are with people who give them money then you are naive. I agreed to give CCP my money, you are right, and that entitled to me to the good/service that was available at the time. I paid for the content in 1.0 and that was the content I received. If CCP wants me to pay for 2.0 forward then they are going to strongly consider a weaponry respec. You're not that important. Businesses depend on customers to operate. You are a customer and they really don't care about you or what you want. The only consideration is what is best for the game and the players as a whole. Quote: This isn't a case of NEW content. It's a case of MISSING content. We lacked rifle diversity at launch, as well as sidearm diversity. What was I supposed to do? Just bank all of my SP until my rifle of choice was released? How would I know when that was? They never told me even an approximate time for the rail rifle to be launched so how was I supposed to know? Should all of us just made characters and let them sit, accumulating SP until whatever it was we wanted went live? That sounds thrilling I expect you to grind out the SP for it just like you did for whatever weapon you've been using. I understand that wasn't the one you actually wanted but I don't care. You think that because it isn't fair that you should get the SP back. I know that it isn't fair. I just don't give a ****. Everyone has SP sunk into something they don't want anymore or something that got nerfed into oblivion. You're not special. What people should be debating is whether refunding SP is good or bad for the game and whether or not it is reasonable to expect players to grind out the SP for the new weapons. I say refunding SP is bad for the game and it is reasonable to expect players to grind the SP for the new weapon. OR When they have all the racial weapons in the game you can swap your SP from your current weapon to whatever the comparable racial weapon . Each skill would be a direct transfer so if you trained Proficiency III that SP is automatically allocated to the new weapon's proficiency skill. In the case of something like sharpshooter if the new weapon doesn't have it then the SP will be returned to your unallocated pool. Sadly I don't think that this is feasible due to technical reasons but I just wanted to throw it out there. When I say that refunding SP is bad for the game I don't mean moving it from one rifle to another rifle. I'm talking about actually refunding it so that it can be used for something completely different. That's why I say no refund and grind it out because I don't think option 2 is possible. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.


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