DUST Search - Weapon SP refund petition.

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Altina McAlterson wrote:

BrownEye1129 wrote:

Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time.

Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone.

Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from.

Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit.

And why should we get a weapon SP refund?

Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each.

Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols?

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BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 251	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:20:00 - [1] - Quote Here is the thing. At the time I was deciding what weapon to spec into the only rifle available that wouldn't put me at a huge disadvantage was the AR. By disadvantage I am referring to the Mini Logis ability to carry one gun. So the AR was the best choice to kill CQC and at mid range. Since the release of the different racial weapons I have been specing into the CR and haven't/won't equip an AR again. I'm am a Minmatar extremist, only specing into Mini suits and weapons. If the CR was available to me at the time I wouldn't have SP wasted in a weapon I never use. I'm sure other people fell into this same trap. SP is a valuable thing. Since the start (beta) I wanted to be pure Minmatar (I enjoy role-playing a bit). All I want is my SP back from the AR. I have never been a FOTM chaser. Instead march to the beat of the Minmatar Spirituals. The only thing I can do is wait and hope for a weapon SP refund after the heavy racial and AV racial weapons have dropped. Until then try not to think about the wasted SP or the 200+ Duvolles I have sitting around. Can't wait until I can donate those things to charity. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1964	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:31:00 - [2] - Quote I would like a respec as well I've skilled all rifles too pro 5 but only use rail since i run cal assault.. I'll sign. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3812	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:34:00 - [3] - Quote So you plan on never revisiting the AR? That is possible... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 169	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:35:00 - [4] - Quote When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 653	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:39:00 - [5] - Quote No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it.
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:45:00 - [6] - Quote tbf the AR is still an awesome weapon, all the qq about it is so undeserved
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:58:00 - [7] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on. I know LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:00:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah it truly sucks for anyone running assault.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:03:00 - [9] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: No. You are stuck with the SP you blew into flaylock pistol when it was FOTM. Deal with it. Two things: 1. I run MinLogi and don't have a sidearm no haven't skilled into flaylock. 2. When I do skill into a sidearm it will be the flaylock/submachine gun bc they are Minmatar. Did you not read the post at all? "Not a FOTM chaser, Minmatar extremist" Only mentioned SP for the AR no other weapon. Please use your eyes and brain to read and comprehend before you make accusations with no foundation. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:05:00 - [10] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: tbf the AR is still an awesome weapon, all the qq about it is so undeserved Never said it wasn't. I don't use it anymore bc I want to be pure Minmatar and now can. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ

VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 94	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:06:00 - [11] - Quote heard maybe 1.9. would be nice .........hmg was broke for 4 months so i had to spec to **** i didnt want to .
Cinnamon267 119	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:07:00 - [12] - Quote No. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you get those points back. Not how it works. SP is a valuable thing. Although it's value diminishes when you get silly SP refunds like the one you're asking for. I'll, probably, never use Flaylock pistols again, to be fair I was using them before it was cool and then everyone started using them I AIN'T NO FOTM CHASER DAWG!, but it doesn't mean I should get those points back.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 673	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:15:00 - [13] - Quote Sign "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
J0LLY R0G3R Dirt Nap Squad. 675	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:17:00 - [14] - Quote Nope, try again tomorrow. XD ++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++ XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 254	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:18:00 - [15] - Quote Cinnamon267 wrote: No. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you get those points back. Not how it works. SP is a valuable thing. Although it's value diminishes when you get silly SP refunds like the one you're asking for. I'll, probably, never use Flaylock pistols again, to be fair I was using them before it was cool and then everyone started using them I AIN'T NO FOTM CHASER DAWG!, but it doesn't mean I should get those points back. Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2163	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:27:00 - [16] - Quote Nah. You can deal with it. I have up to advanced, if not prototype with Prof., of every weapon, spare for Bolt Pistol and Magsec (due to lack of interest in both). As of 1.8, I use only four: Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, and randomly the Ion. I'm not complaining about having done all of this because, well, it doesn't matter. I can use anything I'd like outside of those two weapons I mentioned. Do I? No. Do I have over 500+ full prototype fittings that became obsolete over the course of time? Sure do. Logistics of two races, Amarrian Commandos, Amarrian Sentinels, Amarrian basics, Minmatar Scouts (don't ask, it was a phase at the time I started stocking), and so on and so forth, not even mentioning the weapons. Am I complaining about it? Nah. Did I spec into them over FotM? Nawh. I'm a non-believer of that ****. I do what I want, yo. One day I'll go back to them. One day. Just one day. Do I regret speccing into anything, looking back now? Nah. It was a blast learning the pros and cons of every suit and weapon (thanks to my alts for the suits). Experience is key to this game. With it, you can use anything and stomp. Never forget. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 972	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote This is a horrible idea. You spent the SP. It's gone and you don't get it back. That's the way it works. The argument that there should be a respec when all weapons are finally in the game is also total crap. I see so many people assuming that it will happen but there's no reason at all for it to happen. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 246	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:33:00 - [18] - Quote Oh come on, there isn't a total skill point cap, jut spec into the new weapon - you can survive the one week of playtime.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:43:00 - [19] - Quote Full Respec
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 199	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:52:00 - [20] - Quote +1 for weapon respec. I'm full caldari now in fits so naturally I want full caldari in weapons. Now I have levelled only RR and Magsec to proto+prof (AR proto+, CR lvl4, scr lvl4, sidearms lvl3-4) I want to go full racial. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4671	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:55:00 - [21] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols?
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2232	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:02:00 - [22] - Quote -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster/Missles -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration...
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:19:00 - [23] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: This is a horrible idea. You spent the SP. It's gone and you don't get it back. That's the way it works. The argument that there should be a respec when all weapons are finally in the game is also total crap. I see so many people assuming that it will happen but there's no reason at all for it to happen. BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. Same concept for the weapons. How many existed at the start? If the game had everything available I would understand the, "You spent the SP it's gone agruement." Let's try a different view point. Hypotheticly all racial weapons and assets are released. Heavy weapons and vehicles. Two corps are going against each other in PC. One is pure Minmatar the other is pure Gallente. Aside from the inherent advanatges of weapon type and damage resistance. The Gallente would hold a huge advantage. Their weapons and vehicles have been here since the start and they have the Skills maxed and was able to spend the extra SP into Core Skills. The Minmatar's haven't and were "forced" (no other choice at the time) to waste SP into another race's tech. Of course that scenario doesn't exist. But the point Dust has race differential, so why should one race be gimped bc their gear wasn't available. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:30:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Then explain to me why we got a SP refund for dropsuits? According to your logic we shouldn't have bc it was already spent. If everything was release at once I wouldn't be asking for any SP back. I would have skilled into everything Minmatar. It would be pretty shady of CCP to continuously realease new racial gear and con people into buying booster to run their race. I have bought boosters and gave CCP my money to gain SP a bit faster, which is fair in my book. What I won't do is buy boosters when I have wasted SP bc my races racial gear was not available to me at the time. Like I said I KNOW what I wanted to do on dust since I first made my Minmatar clone. Because half the classes were complete and half of them weren't. There was only one heavy suit FFS so it's not they even had any options to chose from. Only the SP for light and heavy frames should have been refunded. But everyone would have bitched and moaned if they did that and I guess CCP just didn't want to deal with everyone's bullshit. And why should we get a weapon SP refund? Because half the weapon selections were complete and half weren't. There was only one racial Rifle variant the last time we got a respec that applied to weapons, there were no Gallente or Caldari ranged Sidearms (Caldari get NKs), and now there are several more of each. Why shouldn't we have got a refund on the existing Rifles when they gave those full racial parity? Why didn't they give us a refund for sidearm SP after adding the Magsec and Ion/Bolt PIstols? ^Thank you for explaining HIS LOGIC TO HIM!^ "There was only 1 Heavy suits FFS so it's not like they had options" is the same exact thing I'm saying about skilling into the AR. There were no options. Which applies to side arms and will apply to the other Heavy Weapons, Vehicles when they come. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 255	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:40:00 - [25] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: -In the future yes, wait for them to actually finish the core weapons, lol. Heavy laser/Blaster/Missles -We've got all of the sidearms now which is nice. -Minmatar Sniper Rifle needs to be finished and retire the tactical sniper -Burst AR and TAC need to be removed as they were only placeholders. -A long range light Blaster weapon should be introduced to replace the TAC as a blaster bonused weapon. It can use a new model but be it's own skill and weapon. Then I would agree to a weapon respec. Asit sits we'd end up needing another respec in 6 months. Have faith it's almost time. Then there will most likely be one final respec when they introduce minmatar and ammar tanks, LAVS, ect. Let them take their time but they need to be open and get our feedback into consideration... I'm just getting excited and having a harder time waiting lol. I've been quietly waiting for sooo long. This thread really opened my eyes to the type of player base we have here on Dust or at least the forums. All there is to do is wait. I wonder how many people will change their stance when the racial heavy weapons/vehicles drop though. From "NO REFUND you spent it" to "Well it wasn't available to me at the time so I think it's fair to have the choice". When the time comes......
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 38	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:41:00 - [26] - Quote Man ya'll a bunch of racists =p
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1052	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:42:00 - [27] - Quote No.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 867	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:55:00 - [28] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: When all racial weapons are out, argue away. Until all weapons are out you have no legs to stand on. The interesting this is when are all racial weapons out? Where do you draw the line in the sand? We have full racial "rifles" at the moment, only 1 "sniper", 2 "light AV", 2 "special weapons" (Laser Rifle and Mass Driver), and 2 heavy weapons. What about melee weapons? Then what if they add something new? It is really hard to determine "when all racial weapons are out." Obviously if they go "here is everything" in a total data dump but what if it is given little by little? Imagine if the Scrambler, Rail, and Combat Rifle as well as the Flaylock Ion Pistol, Magsec and Bolt Pistol, came out at the same time as full racial parity for Dropsuits. There probably would have been a refund for the Weaponry Tree because of the massive amount of stuff released. If it trickles in slowly though, it will just be considered "adding new content." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1055	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:09:00 - [29] - Quote Weapons still work and anyone can equip them - i.e no suit is limited to what they can carry any more than before. The only difference is that if you choose to run racial weapons then you get benefits. Almost all of which are in the nature of letting them fire longer / more accurately. The damage and general performance doesn't change. Its a tactical bonus. So why should the weapons be respeced? If, for instance, scouts or log's were limited to sidearms then yes they'd be entitled to a respec. Even Commando's rock with any weapon. PLC's, MD's and, well, pretty much any rifle is deadly in their hands as they have the reload bonus that means they always kick out an impressive amount of fire. Same with Logi's and equipment - Minies don't have to run a rep tool. Its just if that's you choose to you'll do it better than other logi's "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4677	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:14:00 - [30] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: So why should the weapons be respeced? Because, as we already said, there hasn't been a respec for Rifles (the primary weapon for most players) since we got full racial parity on them. Because there's a good selection of racial Sidearm variants now. Because maybe we don't need a FULL Weapon respec, but Rifle and Sidearm skills at least would be reasonable to ask for right now.



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