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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:45:00 -
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I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:02:00 -
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Oh, haven't tried them yet. Almost forgot. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:04:00 -
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Really? That's a lame fix.
You have to time your spin just right? |
LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:09:00 -
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Personally I'm glad they're nerfed. I've stopped getting killed in my logi suits by people I can't even see anywhere. Makes my job a bit easier without being a constant bullet magnet.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:11:00 -
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't one of the entire points of the scanner change to stop "spinning"? |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:12:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:If I'm not mistaken, wasn't one of the entire points of the scanner change to stop "spinning"?
Aye, "Scannerinas"
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:13:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Thanks for the confirmation. They are broken exactly as I expected them to be.
BTW, CCP/Shanghai really didn't want you to like the update to scanners because they didn't like how we used scanners in the first place. Now we can go back to ignoring them. Another CCP/Shanghai pet idea has devolved back to the junk we knew it was in the first place. 
And so it goes.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:19:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
GREAT!!
Tired of ballet 514 YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:23:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:
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Makes scanners worthless
[...]
Good.
Tactics & Situational Awareness might actually be needed again.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:23:00 -
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Okay, lock the spins. Fine. But open up my angle. That small cone is just downright terrible. Pick up folks on my scanner. I, too, thought snapshot would be just that. Aim, snap, reds pop up in the direction aimed at, scanner goes away. Felt like my scanner was some cheap aurum/isk hybrid prototype.
I don't know why folks celebrate someone not liking some changes to 1.8, yet wants to care for the new players and scream no protostomp
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Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:33:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Okay, lock the spins. Fine. But open up my angle. That small cone is just downright terrible. Pick up folks on my scanner. I, too, thought snapshot would be just that. Aim, snap, reds pop up in the direction aimed at, scanner goes away. Felt like my scanner was some cheap aurum/isk hybrid prototype.
I don't know why folks celebrate someone not liking some changes to 1.8, yet wants to care for the new players and scream no protostomp
HAH!! tired of Gaijin Baka Shiro depending on scanners.
Case in point several days ago I had reds stand right beside me, pause to scan and then they walk right on by me and then I shot them in the back for being so Baka.
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
4925
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:37:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
Yeah, that's when my passive scan isn't painting cloaked Scouts around me while allowing HMG Sentinels to sneak up behind me.
I see passive scanning is just as buggy as ever.
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WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:42:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
CCP Troll wrote:We will have a hotfix for this soonGäó. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:43:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Okay, lock the spins. Fine. But open up my angle. That small cone is just downright terrible. Pick up folks on my scanner. I, too, thought snapshot would be just that. Aim, snap, reds pop up in the direction aimed at, scanner goes away. Felt like my scanner was some cheap aurum/isk hybrid prototype.
I don't know why folks celebrate someone not liking some changes to 1.8, yet wants to care for the new players and scream no protostomp HAH!! tired of Gaijin Baka Shiro depending on scanners. Case in point several days ago I had reds stand right beside me, pause to scan and then they walk right on by me and then I shot them in the back for being so Baka.
Woa there little pony.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:55:00 -
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Scanners got destroyed. They arent worth carrying now. 1/10 the performance.......ecact same pg/cpu reqs.
But the truth is that thing made the game waaaaaaaaaay to easy. literally that was easy mode.
But now scanners have to be a squad thing to be effective.
Oh well gal commando is awesome.
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Philipp Achtel
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:12:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
Yes, this "fix" was incredibly lazy. Do the programmers really have so little imagination that this is how they chose to fix the issue?
It's just a cheap kludgy response.
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Warbot Titan X
Badge of Blood
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:14:00 -
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Scans are heading to the right direction. Still needs work.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:22:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:snip
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
snip
*facepalm*
If anyone sees a Dev please ask them why scanners weren't Snapshot like originally advertised? Somewhere in the design to implementation they changed. I curious how it happened.
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:31:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers"
There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:43:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Okay, lock the spins. Fine. But open up my angle. That small cone is just downright terrible. Pick up folks on my scanner. I, too, thought snapshot would be just that. Aim, snap, reds pop up in the direction aimed at, scanner goes away. Felt like my scanner was some cheap aurum/isk hybrid prototype.
I don't know why folks celebrate someone not liking some changes to 1.8, yet wants to care for the new players and scream no protostomp HAH!! tired of Gaijin Baka Shiro depending on scanners. Case in point several days ago I had reds stand right beside me, pause to scan and then they walk right on by me and then I shot them in the back for being so Baka.
Wow, some of you sound like you still sit in high chairs and get spaghetti over your bibs.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:46:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners.
Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough.
My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore *rage*". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon.
I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines.
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Philipp Achtel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:46:00 -
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8213 wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers" There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position.
So... get on your level is what you're saying?
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Philipp Achtel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:48:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:8213 wrote:
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners. Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough. My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore *rage*". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon. I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines.
He doesn't get it. He's too busy flexing his situational awareness in the mirror to understand the point you are making.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:50:00 -
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For real, people do not read posts. They read the first few words, notice some triggers and just explode with some self righteous posts. That's not good at all.
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:38:00 -
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Ah. You know that if you skill into scanners you can get some that go all the way to 180 degrees on scan? They each have strengths and weaknesses. |
Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:54:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:8213 wrote:
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners. Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough. My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore *rage*". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon. I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines.
Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing.
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:25:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:8213 wrote:
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners. Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough. My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore *rage*". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon. I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines. Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing.
The problem is scouts aren't meant to actively engage targets except for self defense,assaults are.
Scouts are supposed to be recon units that provide intel and hack objectives (hence the staying cloaked while hacking).
TL:DR Scouts aren't assaults and shouldn't behave like them.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:53:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:
Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing.
You can snipe with a heavy can you not?
You can assault with a scout can you not?
You can scout with a logi can you not?
So why shouldn't my minmatar heavy be able to run on the front lines with the rest of the assaults if I choose to put sprint mods on?
I can sprint at 6.7, that's faster than most armor tanked assaults. With a second one I can get up to 7.44...but even then I'm still straggling behind.
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k joydrop
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:58:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:
Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing.
You can snipe with a heavy can you not? You can assault with a scout can you not? You can scout with a logi can you not? So why shouldn't my minmatar heavy be able to run on the front lines with the rest of the assaults if I choose to put sprint mods on? I can sprint at 6.7, that's faster than most armor tanked assaults. With a second one I can get up to 7.44...but even then I'm still straggling behind.
You can but it's obvious that heavies shouldn't be the good at x compared to the classes designed to do x.
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:06:00 -
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I feel the quantum scanners are still worth using but only to alert allies of targets you are already aware of. That being said the C and G scouts would have the easiest time with them(personal experience). This not really a good thing considering the G-Logi is supposed to be specialized in scanners.
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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:25:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Tired of - YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!! I always thought it said you had been Scammed. Sort of an EVE tie in announcement.
And so it goes.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:36:00 -
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8213 wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers" There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position.
comms are good to have too. Hey snipers make yourselves useful.
Who wants some?
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Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
33
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:47:00 -
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SCANNERS WERE SUCH BS TOO MEANY PLAYERS RUNNING AND SPINNING WITH THEM NOW IF THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONES IN THE LAVS
BUT YES I DO THINK THE NURFF TO THEM WAS A BIT MUCH BUT IT IS NICE TO NOT GET YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED EVERY 5 SEC IN THE GAME |
Lowkiie
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:50:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Duran Lex wrote:If I'm not mistaken, wasn't one of the entire points of the scanner change to stop "spinning"? Aye, "Scannerinas"
Scanoaramas, Like the Spinorama from the old NHL games. Even still, the scanners are stupid and ccp is stupid for doin what they did to scanners.. And AR... dumbasses. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:52:00 -
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Pisidon Gmen wrote:SCANNERS WERE SUCH BS TOO MEANY PLAYERS RUNNING AND SPINNING WITH THEM NOW IF THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONES IN THE LAVS
BUT YES I DO THINK THE NURFF TO THEM WAS A BIT MUCH BUT IT IS NICE TO NOT GET YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED EVERY 5 SEC IN THE GAME
Brosef, unlock your caps...
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Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:58:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:
Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing.
You can snipe with a heavy can you not? You can assault with a scout can you not? You can scout with a logi can you not? So why shouldn't my minmatar heavy be able to run on the front lines with the rest of the assaults if I choose to put sprint mods on? I can sprint at 6.7, that's faster than most armor tanked assaults. With a second one I can get up to 7.44...but even then I'm still straggling behind.
You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs.
Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods.
Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed.
You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck? |
I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:48:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs.
Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods.
Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed.
You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck?
You do realize that minmatar suits got a HUGE stamina regen buff in 1.8 right? My stamina takes about 25 seconds to full deplete (25 seconds of sprint time), and only about 3-4 seconds to recharge back to full (most suits it takes about 10 seconds or so)
Stamina mods might make sense on something like an amarr heavy...but I seriously don't need to every worry about stamina again after the 1.8 buff
As for not using shield/armor mods...the whole point of a fast suit is to be fast in it right? There's no way I can out-tank a suit meant for tanking (i.e. amarr or caldari), so I have to use my agility to my advantage to flank/use cover instead of just fighting head-on.
Last thing...no armor/shields? base HP for the thing after skills is over 1000...maybe not impressive for a heavy but when you run as fast as a medium frame you might as well compare it to a medium...and 1000 is actually not bad.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:54:00 -
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RIP
360-¦ permascans
You won't be missed.
Good riddance
"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.GÇ¥.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:02:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs.
Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods.
Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed.
You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck?
You do realize that minmatar suits got a HUGE stamina regen buff in 1.8 right? My stamina takes about 25 seconds to full deplete (25 seconds of sprint time), and only about 3-4 seconds to recharge back to full (most suits it takes about 10 seconds or so) Stamina mods might make sense on something like an amarr heavy...but I seriously don't need to every worry about stamina again after the 1.8 buff As for not using shield/armor mods...the whole point of a fast suit is to be fast in it right? There's no way I can out-tank a suit meant for tanking (i.e. amarr or caldari), so I have to use my agility to my advantage to flank/use cover instead of just fighting head-on. Last thing...no armor/shields? base HP for the thing after skills is over 1000...maybe not impressive for a heavy but when you run as fast as a medium frame you might as well compare it to a medium...and 1000 is actually not bad.
If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you.
Heavies still have lower movement speed in combat, and as a frontline suit, you HAVE to rely on your eHP more than your ability to move back into cover like an Assault or Scout can. If you can't take cover as efficiently, and still only have comparable eHP to the well-tanked Assaults you're matching sprint speed with, then you're in trouble when you start taking heavy fire. |
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you.
Um
Pretty sure scouts can run 9, 10 m/s easily now with the extra slots they got in 1.8.
Scouts also have the most stamina and fastest stamina regen of all the frames...
I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY
And don't get me started about the way I see them tanking their suits like assaults...
-_-
Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:24:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you.
Um Pretty sure scouts can run 9, 10 m/s easily now with the extra slots they got in 1.8. Scouts also have the most stamina and fastest stamina regen of all the frames... I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY -_- Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying.
Scouts run in, find enemies with actual eHP, die. You come in, keeping up with the Assault following the Scout, and don't die because unlike the Scout, you have eHP. |
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Here what i think about scanners.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Scouts run in, find enemies with actual eHP, die. You come in, keeping up with the Assault following the Scout, and don't die because unlike the Scout, you have eHP.
You'd think that would be how it's supposed to work, but players like Frost Kitty, Flako, Ghost Kaiser, Moody...
The good scouts I play with don't die easily, can see everything, and make the game boring.
Yeah I could run a scout with them, a speed-fit logi or assult...but that's not what I like to do. I like playing as a logi, or a heavy.
But when scouts have such low hp and don't need ammo that much (i.e. knives), my logi is worthless in these squads, and my heavy literally has nothing to do.
"but what about point defense as a heavy, like defending an objective?"
Yeah okay, I'll just sit on the objective while the scouts circle the city not letting anyone in. Trust me, when the enemy team isn't able to push in because the scouts are picking everyone off before I get a chance at them, it gets really boring, really fast.
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You're running with skilled players, mostly fighting against enemies who aren't as skilled.
You can't keep up, so enemies are dying before you get there.
Options:
Find better enemies.
Find worse friends.
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
Feel free to tweet in #logilove, it needs some love from a master logi.
I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault.
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Skihids wrote:Really? That's a lame fix.
You have to time your spin just right?
Could it be that it does snapshot but the FoV is just borked? That would account for "missing" the mercs in your arc, they just weren't covered in the angle when the picture was taken.
It does take a Snapshot as the OP expected, but they still use the old HUD animation, so it appears like yur only getting something like a 10-¦ FOV because it closes before it finishes opening.
Scanners need a proper rework anyway, this is more a plaster until they have time to overhaul its mechanics.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault.
I have a proto gal logi and scanner is not worth because of the long recharge time (quantum version), 30 seconds for a scan is way too much, gal logi scan should be a decent counter to cloaked scouts but it's not because you can't scan for most of the time.
Snapshot is not the problem, recharge time is the problem, i don't want a spam fest like 1.7, but i want to use the scanner a little more often, like 15/20 seconds on the quantum version.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him
Classic CCP. Double buff one thing (baseline passive scan range on scouts increased plus Cal/Gal bonuses) while double nerfing its direct competitor (active scan angle radically reduced, cooldown radically increased), with the result that one is OP and the other is useless. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:34:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:
I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault.
I have a proto gal logi and scanner is not worth because of the long recharge time (quantum version), 30 seconds for a scan is way too much, gal logi scan should be a decent counter to cloaked scouts but it's not because you can't scan for most of the time. Snapshot is not the problem, recharge time is the problem, i don't want a spam fest like 1.7, but i want to use the scanner a little more often, like 15/20 seconds on the quantum version.
I was thinking of using exactly this build except with two quantum scanners. Wouldn't that remove the cooldown issue?
For me the bigger issue than cooldown is the tiny angle of scan and the fact, as the OP says, that there often seem to be uncloaked people in the scan area that don't get marked (and I don't believe that they're always dampened gal scouts). |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:42:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:.
I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY
And don't get me started about the way I see them tanking their suits like assaults...
-_-
Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying.
The Scout makes the sacrifice of eHP in order to get it's scans. What did Active Scanner users sacrifice for their scanning abilities?
Along with that, the Active Scanner has a longer range than Passive Scanners.
Though I do believe that Scouts tanking HP is a bit of a problem.
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Meee One wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:8213 wrote:
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill...
In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners. Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough. My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore *rage*". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon. I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines. Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing. The problem is scouts aren't meant to actively engage targets except for self defense,assaults are. Scouts are supposed to be recon units that provide intel and hack objectives (hence the staying cloaked while hacking). TL:DR Scouts aren't assaults and shouldn't behave like them.
Except that after the couple objectives get hacked your intel scouts wouldn't get another WP all match.
Of course they are going to assault. There is no such thing as positional play in anything other than a PC match.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:01:00 -
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Philipp Achtel wrote:8213 wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him
Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers" There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position. So... get on your level is what you're saying? This game truly has the best community. Yes.. get on his 1-16 in PC level yo.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Really? That's a lame fix.
You have to time your spin just right?
Could it be that it does snapshot but the FoV is just borked? That would account for "missing" the mercs in your arc, they just weren't covered in the angle when the picture was taken.
From my (admittedly limited) experience trying them out last night, they didn't seem too bad, but it did feel like the scan angle was too narrow when I tried it.
The cooldown timer UI was a nice touch though. I was worried they'd make me guess.
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Yeah, that's when my passive scan isn't painting cloaked Scouts around me while allowing HMG Sentinels to sneak up behind me. I see passive scanning is just as buggy as ever.
For me in my logi suit, passive scans are much better than they were before, but it's still not the greatest.
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Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:35:00 -
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Philipp Achtel wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle.
Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you.
Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time.
Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Yes, this "fix" was incredibly lazy. Do the programmers really have so little imagination that this is how they chose to fix the issue? It's just a cheap kludgy response.
Yes, they do. Also, they have no manpower for actual development. Notice how we, very rarely, get an new mechanics and that all these updates are essentially database or modelling tweaks? Yeah, no programmers.
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