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KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1060	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:25:00 - [31] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Tired of - YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!! I always thought it said you had been Scammed. Sort of an EVE tie in announcement. And so it goes.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1653	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:36:00 - [32] - Quote 8213 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers" There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position. comms are good to have too. Hey snipers make yourselves useful. Who wants some?
Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 33	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:47:00 - [33] - Quote SCANNERS WERE SUCH BS TOO MEANY PLAYERS RUNNING AND SPINNING WITH THEM NOW IF THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONES IN THE LAVS BUT YES I DO THINK THE NURFF TO THEM WAS A BIT MUCH BUT IT IS NICE TO NOT GET YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED EVERY 5 SEC IN THE GAME
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:50:00 - [34] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Duran Lex wrote: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't one of the entire points of the scanner change to stop "spinning"? Aye, "Scannerinas" Scanoaramas, Like the Spinorama from the old NHL games. Even still, the scanners are stupid and ccp is stupid for doin what they did to scanners.. And AR... dumbasses.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3739	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:52:00 - [35] - Quote Pisidon Gmen wrote: SCANNERS WERE SUCH BS TOO MEANY PLAYERS RUNNING AND SPINNING WITH THEM NOW IF THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONES IN THE LAVS BUT YES I DO THINK THE NURFF TO THEM WAS A BIT MUCH BUT IT IS NICE TO NOT GET YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED EVERY 5 SEC IN THE GAME Brosef, unlock your caps... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4610	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:58:00 - [36] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing. You can snipe with a heavy can you not? You can assault with a scout can you not? You can scout with a logi can you not? So why shouldn't my minmatar heavy be able to run on the front lines with the rest of the assaults if I choose to put sprint mods on? I can sprint at 6.7, that's faster than most armor tanked assaults. With a second one I can get up to 7.44...but even then I'm still straggling behind. You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs. Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods. Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed. You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck?
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2713	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:48:00 - [37] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs. Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods. Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed. You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck? You do realize that minmatar suits got a HUGE stamina regen buff in 1.8 right? My stamina takes about 25 seconds to full deplete (25 seconds of sprint time), and only about 3-4 seconds to recharge back to full (most suits it takes about 10 seconds or so) Stamina mods might make sense on something like an amarr heavy...but I seriously don't need to every worry about stamina again after the 1.8 buff As for not using shield/armor mods...the whole point of a fast suit is to be fast in it right? There's no way I can out-tank a suit meant for tanking (i.e. amarr or caldari), so I have to use my agility to my advantage to flank/use cover instead of just fighting head-on. Last thing...no armor/shields? base HP for the thing after skills is over 1000...maybe not impressive for a heavy but when you run as fast as a medium frame you might as well compare it to a medium...and 1000 is actually not bad. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 750	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:54:00 - [38] - Quote RIP 360-¦ permascans You won't be missed. Good riddance "You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.GÇ¥. - CCP commenting on heavies
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4612	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:02:00 - [39] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: You're focusing on building up your speed and not bothering with stamina buffs. Train stamina skills and equip stamina mods. Now you'll have speed AND the ability to maintain that speed. You'll have no armour or shields doing it though, so.... good luck? You do realize that minmatar suits got a HUGE stamina regen buff in 1.8 right? My stamina takes about 25 seconds to full deplete (25 seconds of sprint time), and only about 3-4 seconds to recharge back to full (most suits it takes about 10 seconds or so) Stamina mods might make sense on something like an amarr heavy...but I seriously don't need to every worry about stamina again after the 1.8 buff As for not using shield/armor mods...the whole point of a fast suit is to be fast in it right? There's no way I can out-tank a suit meant for tanking (i.e. amarr or caldari), so I have to use my agility to my advantage to flank/use cover instead of just fighting head-on. Last thing...no armor/shields? base HP for the thing after skills is over 1000...maybe not impressive for a heavy but when you run as fast as a medium frame you might as well compare it to a medium...and 1000 is actually not bad. If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you. Heavies still have lower movement speed in combat, and as a frontline suit, you HAVE to rely on your eHP more than your ability to move back into cover like an Assault or Scout can. If you can't take cover as efficiently, and still only have comparable eHP to the well-tanked Assaults you're matching sprint speed with, then you're in trouble when you start taking heavy fire.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2715	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:20:00 - [40] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you. Um Pretty sure scouts can run 9, 10 m/s easily now with the extra slots they got in 1.8. Scouts also have the most stamina and fastest stamina regen of all the frames... I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY And don't get me started about the way I see them tanking their suits like assaults... -_- Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4613	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:24:00 - [41] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you can sprint that speed for that amount of time, and recover that fast, but still can't keep up, you're doing something wrong. Please explain HOW people are getting (and staying) ahead of you in suits which are both slower AND have worse stamina than you. Um Pretty sure scouts can run 9, 10 m/s easily now with the extra slots they got in 1.8. Scouts also have the most stamina and fastest stamina regen of all the frames... I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY -_- Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying. Scouts run in, find enemies with actual eHP, die. You come in, keeping up with the Assault following the Scout, and don't die because unlike the Scout, you have eHP.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1817	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:28:00 - [42] - Quote Here what i think about scanners. The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2715	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 - [43] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Scouts run in, find enemies with actual eHP, die. You come in, keeping up with the Assault following the Scout, and don't die because unlike the Scout, you have eHP. You'd think that would be how it's supposed to work, but players like Frost Kitty, Flako, Ghost Kaiser, Moody... The good scouts I play with don't die easily, can see everything, and make the game boring. Yeah I could run a scout with them, a speed-fit logi or assult...but that's not what I like to do. I like playing as a logi, or a heavy. But when scouts have such low hp and don't need ammo that much (i.e. knives), my logi is worthless in these squads, and my heavy literally has nothing to do. "but what about point defense as a heavy, like defending an objective?" Yeah okay, I'll just sit on the objective while the scouts circle the city not letting anyone in. Trust me, when the enemy team isn't able to push in because the scouts are picking everyone off before I get a chance at them, it gets really boring, really fast. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4614	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:06:00 - [44] - Quote You're running with skilled players, mostly fighting against enemies who aren't as skilled. You can't keep up, so enemies are dying before you get there. Options: Find better enemies. Find worse friends. Talk them into waiting for you to catch up.
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2165	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:21:00 - [45] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle. Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you. Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time. Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Feel free to tweet in #logilove, it needs some love from a master logi. I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2259	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 - [46] - Quote Skihids wrote: Really? That's a lame fix. You have to time your spin just right? Could it be that it does snapshot but the FoV is just borked? That would account for "missing" the mercs in your arc, they just weren't covered in the angle when the picture was taken. It does take a Snapshot as the OP expected, but they still use the old HUD animation, so it appears like yur only getting something like a 10-¦ FOV because it closes before it finishes opening. Scanners need a proper rework anyway, this is more a plaster until they have time to overhaul its mechanics. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1817	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 - [47] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault. I have a proto gal logi and scanner is not worth because of the long recharge time (quantum version), 30 seconds for a scan is way too much, gal logi scan should be a decent counter to cloaked scouts but it's not because you can't scan for most of the time. Snapshot is not the problem, recharge time is the problem, i don't want a spam fest like 1.7, but i want to use the scanner a little more often, like 15/20 seconds on the quantum version. The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 918	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:31:00 - [48] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle. Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you. Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time. Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Classic CCP. Double buff one thing (baseline passive scan range on scouts increased plus Cal/Gal bonuses) while double nerfing its direct competitor (active scan angle radically reduced, cooldown radically increased), with the result that one is OP and the other is useless.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 918	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:34:00 - [49] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I tried using the AS after DT and I couldn't get it to do anything worth a damn. It would only work if I was pointing it at someone and I knew where they were so it didn't really do anything for me. I only used it that one time and wasn't impressed but I was using it on a Templar Amarr assault. I have a proto gal logi and scanner is not worth because of the long recharge time (quantum version), 30 seconds for a scan is way too much, gal logi scan should be a decent counter to cloaked scouts but it's not because you can't scan for most of the time. Snapshot is not the problem, recharge time is the problem, i don't want a spam fest like 1.7, but i want to use the scanner a little more often, like 15/20 seconds on the quantum version. I was thinking of using exactly this build except with two quantum scanners. Wouldn't that remove the cooldown issue? For me the bigger issue than cooldown is the tiny angle of scan and the fact, as the OP says, that there often seem to be uncloaked people in the scan area that don't get marked (and I don't believe that they're always dampened gal scouts).
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6196	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:42:00 - [50] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: . I was never saying that assaults are beating me to the punch...it's scouts that I'm talking about being the main frontline fighters now. Apparently 360 degree 24/7 scans are BAD, yet scouts with a huge passive scan that runs 24/7 360 degrees is OKAY And don't get me started about the way I see them tanking their suits like assaults... -_- Not saying you're one way or another, but it's just annoying. The Scout makes the sacrifice of eHP in order to get it's scans. What did Active Scanner users sacrifice for their scanning abilities? Along with that, the Active Scanner has a longer range than Passive Scanners. Though I do believe that Scouts tanking HP is a bit of a problem. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Skihids Bullet Cluster 3138	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:43:00 - [51] - Quote Meee One wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: 8213 wrote: Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... In case you don't know I've been running heavy for a while now, and heavies don't have the ability to use scanners. Yet I used to be able to do just fine with a heavy suit before 1.8. Now it seems like scouts are able to see anyone and everyone while us slower classes can never get to the enemy quick enough. My point was not "oh my scanner doesn't tell me where everyone is anymore rage". Instead I'm just annoyed that I seriously can't get any kills while running with some of my favorite scouts in this game because they always know where the enemy is and can get to them twice as fast, killing everyone before I even get a chance to fire my weapon. I'm not an idiot, I know how to flank, I know how to read the map and where the enemy might be coming from. The issue is that scouts can do it 10x better and my slower dropsuits are always picking off the remaining players instead of being up on the front lines. Well isn't that the point of heavies/sents? They're mainly for point defense, not chasing down and killing. The problem is scouts aren't meant to actively engage targets except for self defense,assaults are. Scouts are supposed to be recon units that provide intel and hack objectives (hence the staying cloaked while hacking). TL:DR Scouts aren't assaults and shouldn't behave like them. Except that after the couple objectives get hacked your intel scouts wouldn't get another WP all match. Of course they are going to assault. There is no such thing as positional play in anything other than a PC match. Pubs are the equivalent of peewee soccer. Every kid is chasing the ball going for a goal. Every scout is flanking and assaulting, it's the nature of the game.
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 867	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:01:00 - [52] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: 8213 wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has already started to flank him Maybe you should have took the past year to develop skill, awareness, and general FPS skill... Scanners and mini-maps are crutches. If you can't figure out where the enemy is on your own, its no wonder so many in this game get trampled on by so-called "protostompers" There is 360 degrees around you, learn to be aware of you map position, and any and all flank routes to your position. So... get on your level is what you're saying? This game truly has the best community. Yes.. get on his 1-16 in PC level yo. Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 88	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 - [53] - Quote Skihids wrote: Really? That's a lame fix. You have to time your spin just right? Could it be that it does snapshot but the FoV is just borked? That would account for "missing" the mercs in your arc, they just weren't covered in the angle when the picture was taken. From my (admittedly limited) experience trying them out last night, they didn't seem too bad, but it did feel like the scan angle was too narrow when I tried it. The cooldown timer UI was a nice touch though. I was worried they'd make me guess. "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 347	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:04:00 - [54] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle. Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you. Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time. Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Yeah, that's when my passive scan isn't painting cloaked Scouts around me while allowing HMG Sentinels to sneak up behind me. I see passive scanning is just as buggy as ever. For me in my logi suit, passive scans are much better than they were before, but it's still not the greatest. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2089	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:35:00 - [55] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I was expecting a "snapshot" scan where you would aim in a direction, hit the button, and the scan angle on your radar would flash or something, revealing anything within that angle. Well instead of that they just reduced the scan angle and rely on you to still "sweep" across an area. Half of the time it doesn't even scan the players that are obviously there, and if you don't "sweep" it only gives you a tiny little area in front of you. Makes scanners worthless, yet scouts get to have a huge passive scan area all around them to know where the enemy is all the time. Now the slaying is left to the scouts, since by the time the rest of us find a red dot, the scout has aleady started to flank him Yes, this "fix" was incredibly lazy. Do the programmers really have so little imagination that this is how they chose to fix the issue? It's just a cheap kludgy response. Yes, they do. Also, they have no manpower for actual development. Notice how we, very rarely, get an new mechanics and that all these updates are essentially database or modelling tweaks? Yeah, no programmers.


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