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If they nerf heavy HP, I'll be 2 shotting most sentinels out in the maps.

Then heavies rage. CCP does internal testing with scouts. Nerf scouts back into the ground.
Assault still weak suit, and Logi will reign supreme once again.

I'm thinking this ******** nerf/buff cycle is in the road map to ruin Dust.

We should have some counsil that could communicate with CCP and the community. I feel if they would work with us we could get some major issues addressed.

I'm a logibro mostly but I also run a proto gal heavy. I believe that heavies should not nerfed. They should be modified slightly to have a slower turn speed so that people who know how to fight them can. Example I fit up a militia scout suit two militia damage amps, a shotgun, and speed stims. With that crappy setup I was able to take out heavies because I could out maneuver them. A 20% ehp nerf will ruin heavies. CCP remember that for dust or eve it is always best to go off of actual game play instead of internal testing. Players always will find a way, we are better than nature at find a way to do what we want to do. Eve example covert cloak Titan drive by dooms days. You never saw that in internal tests but players came up with it. To reiterate heavies shouldn't be nerfed modified slightly yes but not nerfed. Internal tests aren't an accurate representation of what actually happens in game.

Heavies unite and don't forget to tip your logi.

Honestly, I feel like nothing has really changed for the my heavy. Currently running Gal Sent.
I feel like I'm dying at the same rate with ~1400 eHP which is 200 less from what I was slinging from back in 1.7.
If anything the only buff is a slight speed increase, though maybe that's because I can fit Kin cats now.

Leave it be or risk throwing out some of these new suits CCP slaved over. (Min Senti)

If you really want to nerf something CCP, nerf the CPU/PG. There's no reason to still have 100+ CPU/ ~10 PG left over
while wearing full proto. (>.<)

Shotty Scouts are the heavies hard counter and any good scout knows this well.
This game has switched to a Rock, Paper, Scissors game which really enforces squad play and is a HUGE plus.

Honestly, I feel like nothing has really changed for the my heavy. Currently running Gal Sent.
I feel like I'm dying at the same rate with ~1400 eHP which is 200 less from what I was slinging from back in 1.7.
If anything the only buff is a slight speed increase, though maybe that's because I can fit Kin cats now.

Leave it be or risk throwing out some of these new suits CCP slaved over. (Min Senti)

If you really want to nerf something CCP, nerf the CPU/PG. There's no reason to still have 100+ CPU/ ~10 PG left over
while wearing full proto. (>.<)

Shotty Scouts are the heavies hard counter and any good scout knows this well.
This game has switched to a Rock, Paper, Scissors game which really enforces squad play and is a HUGE plus.

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How is heavy EHP too high?? We are not medium suits we are heavy suits. We are not invincible either, Ive been getting melted all day. You give me resistances and then you take away EHP. Might as well not given the resistances at all .

20% EHP debuff??? I really don't know anymore what CCP is trying to achieve with the heavy. You want us to be medium suits?? is that it? Out of everything in the game, this is what gets the most attention from CCP? heavies being a bit difficult to kill?

I am really losing it here. I have tried so hard to keep my hopes up but this is going too far. A heavy with too much EHP!!!! I would have never thought. Please CCP play in the wild not internal playtesting. Internal playtesting was what had you nerf the mass driver to the ground and got the community so angry that they made a threadnaught. Or have you forgotten how that went?

Seriously a heavy with too much EHP, as if they where difficult to kill at all. I was hoping that maybe tank spam would be a more serious issue to beaddressed but, apparently heavies that are slow and easy target from afar are ruining dust. I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but it is. With so many obvious problems that you let ride for months from 1.7, you want to kill the heavy class in 1.8 before it even gets started.... RLLY???

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The overall weapon nerf was of about 20%. The hardest hit weapon was the RR with a 15% nerf; they modified damage mods to be 5% instead of 10% at complex level. Thats a total of 20% damage nerf to the weapons that where hit the hardest.

With these numbers now CCP wants to nerf the heavy EHP by 20% which will in fact make it like there where no changes to heavies and put them back in uprising 1.7 level. Being killed in an instant by a rail rifle at 70 meters away.



Since heavies only have resistances to certain damage types and, each heavy can be countered by using the damage type the heavy isn't resistant to; a 20% nerf to their EHP will actually make the heavies weaker than they where in 1.7.

With the repair tool nerf many logi's will not be able to efficiently rep a heavy. Even with the minny Logi at proto level you still wont rep as much as the core focused did in 1.7 making this an indirect nerf to the heavy class.

This cannot be permitted to happen. HEAVIES UNITE!

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Those who don't remember the mass driver threadnaught, here is the link

Here is one of my posts that included them talking about how they changed the mass driver due to internal playtesting. If they learned anything from that problem was that internal playtesting does not show the reality of playing in the wild

Disclaimer: they nerfed the mass driver and then had to change it back to close of how it was

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I want to apologize for being ranty. I was so frustrated to see the the post about heavies being nerfed That i just couldn't hold myself back. After 1.7 that nearly made me quit the game, seeing the heavy as it should be was a breath of fresh air. It's balanced at range and king of CQC. It can get killed easily but it's not as easy as it used to be. Any change, any at all, would break it again.

An don't go thinking about changing the HMG just because internal testing said this or that. People will start using RR again if this is done and that would break the game even more

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With these numbers now CCP wants to nerf the heavy EHP by 20% which will in fact make it like there where no changes to heavies and put them back in uprising 1.7 level. Being killed in an instant by a rail rifle at 70 meters away.

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How is heavy EHP too high?? We are not medium suits we are heavy suits. We are not invincible either, Ive been getting melted all day. You give me resistances and then you take away EHP. Might as well not given the resistances at all .

20% EHP debuff??? I really don't know anymore what CCP is trying to achieve with the heavy. You want us to be medium suits?? is that it? Out of everything in the game, this is what gets the most attention from CCP? heavies being a bit difficult to kill?

I am really losing it here. I have tried so hard to keep my hopes up but this is going too far. A heavy with too much EHP!!!! I would have never thought. Please CCP play in the wild not internal playtesting. Internal playtesting was what had you nerf the mass driver to the ground and got the community so angry that they made a threadnaught. Or have you forgotten how that went?

Seriously a heavy with too much EHP, as if they where difficult to kill at all. I was hoping that maybe tank spam would be a more serious issue to beaddressed but, apparently heavies that are slow and easy target from afar are ruining dust. I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but it is. With so many obvious problems that you let ride for months from 1.7, you want to kill the heavy class in 1.8 before it even gets started.... RLLY???

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The overall weapon nerf was of about 20%. The hardest hit weapon was the RR with a 15% nerf; they modified damage mods to be 5% instead of 10% at complex level. Thats a total of 20% damage nerf to the weapons that where hit the hardest.

With these numbers now CCP wants to nerf the heavy EHP by 20% which will in fact make it like there where no changes to heavies and put them back in uprising 1.7 level. Being killed in an instant by a rail rifle at 70 meters away.



Since heavies only have resistances to certain damage types and, each heavy can be countered by using the damage type the heavy isn't resistant to; a 20% nerf to their EHP will actually make the heavies weaker than they where in 1.7.

With the repair tool nerf many logi's will not be able to efficiently rep a heavy. Even with the minny Logi at proto level you still wont rep as much as the core focused did in 1.7 making this an indirect nerf to the heavy class.

This cannot be permitted to happen. HEAVIES UNITE!

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Those who don't remember the mass driver threadnaught, here is the link

Here is one of my posts that included them talking about how they changed the mass driver due to internal playtesting. If they learned anything from that problem was that internal playtesting does not show the reality of playing in the wild

Disclaimer: they nerfed the mass driver and then had to change it back to close of how it was

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I want to apologize for being ranty. I was so frustrated to see the the post about heavies being nerfed That i just couldn't hold myself back. After 1.7 that nearly made me quit the game, seeing the heavy as it should be was a breath of fresh air. It's balanced at range and king of CQC. It can get killed easily but it's not as easy as it used to be. Any change, any at all, would break it again.

An don't go thinking about changing the HMG just because internal testing said this or that. People will start using RR again if this is done and that would break the game even more

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If you like the thread don't press the like button. Post a reply because Like get me nowhere but a reply, even if it's a Plus one give the thread exposure. If you like it, it means you want other people and CCP to see it. SO it's in the best interest of the community not to press the like button but press the reply button with your thoughts.

they need a rotation speed nerf. that's all.