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XxGhazbaranxX
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:32:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:With the Uprising 1.8 Deployment, we are also looking at some additional hotfixes in the near future.
Caldari Scout CK.0 and Caldari 'Neo' Scout CK.0 have switched skill requirements. Further internal playtesting has shown that the heavy EHP is too high, and it will be lowered (likely by about 20%, but this is to be confirmed).
This thread will be updated with more hotfixes as they are created.
How is heavy EHP too high?? We are not medium suits we are heavy suits. We are not invincible either, Ive been getting melted all day. You give me resistances and then you take away EHP. Might as well not given the resistances at all .
20% EHP debuff??? I really don't know anymore what CCP is trying to achieve with the heavy. You want us to be medium suits?? is that it? Out of everything in the game, this is what gets the most attention from CCP? heavies being a bit difficult to kill?
I am really losing it here. I have tried so hard to keep my hopes up but this is going too far. A heavy with too much EHP!!!! I would have never thought. Please CCP play in the wild not internal playtesting. Internal playtesting was what had you nerf the mass driver to the ground and got the community so angry that they made a threadnaught. Or have you forgotten how that went?
Seriously a heavy with too much EHP, as if they where difficult to kill at all. I was hoping that maybe tank spam would be a more serious issue to beaddressed but, apparently heavies that are slow and easy target from afar are ruining dust. I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but it is. With so many obvious problems that you let ride for months from 1.7, you want to kill the heavy class in 1.8 before it even gets started.... RLLY???
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:With the Uprising 1.8 Deployment, we are also looking at some additional hotfixes in the near future.
Caldari Scout CK.0 and Caldari 'Neo' Scout CK.0 have switched skill requirements. Further internal playtesting has shown that the heavy EHP is too high, and it will be lowered (likely by about 20%, but this is to be confirmed).
This thread will be updated with more hotfixes as they are created. How is heavy EHP too high?? We are not medium suits we are heavy suits. We are not invincible either, Ive been getting melted all day. You give me resistances and then you take away EHP. Might as well not given the resistances at all . 20% EHP debuff??? I really don't know anymore what CCP is trying to achieve with the heavy. You want us to be medium suits?? is that it? Out of everything in the game, this is what gets the most attention from CCP? heavies being a bit difficult to kill? I am really losing it here. I have tried so hard to keep my hopes up but this is going too far. A heavy with too much EHP!!!! I would have never thought. Please CCP play in the wild not internal playtesting. Internal playtesting was what had you nerf the mass driver to the ground and got the community so angry that they made a threadnaught. Or have you forgotten how that went?Seriously a heavy with too much EHP, as if they where difficult to kill at all. I was hoping that maybe tank spam would be a more serious issue to beaddressed but, apparently heavies that are slow and easy target from afar are ruining dust. I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but it is. With so many obvious problems that you let ride for months from 1.7, you want to kill the heavy class in 1.8 before it even gets started.... RLLY???
they need a rotation speed nerf. that's all. |
toten thing
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:36:00 -
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Beautiful sir! You said it all. |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:36:00 -
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We should have some counsil that could communicate with CCP and the community. I feel if they would work with us we could get some major issues addressed.
Who wants some?
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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its all good clearly they wanna take us back to the uprising 1.0 days. Hey while they are at it they should rebreak the hmg so that we can REALLY go back to the sh*tter. maybe they should give the medium suit 5 more low and mid slots so they can have more hp speed range and sensors then us too
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Ghaz ... they probably did that to keep the number of heavies down and it becoming the FOTY . I have seen far more heavies then ever and I'm sure with the tempo and info CCP understood that so changing a few things for them was kind of necessary , to even out the roles and the game so it wouldn't be over saturated with heavies .
You are class act and any info coming from yourself and " The Judge " is valued .
Keep up the good work .
Heavies I respect you a great deal because I am one of you , sometimes but that better than not at all .
It's going to work out in the long run .
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:40:00 -
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Heavies are good where they are, havent seen an outrageously op heavy yet, no heavy that i fought has had over 1100 armor, or in caldari case, over 800 shields
So i say boo for Nerfs |
Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:41:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:We should have some counsil that could communicate with CCP and the community. I feel if they would work with us we could get some major issues addressed. It could be a mirror of the Council of Stellar Management in Eve, with a similar name....
... who are we kidding I doubt CCP would take them seriously either.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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toten thing
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:42:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Heavies are good where they are, havent seen an outrageously op heavy yet, no heavy that i fought has had over 1100 armor, or in caldari case, over 800 shields
So i say boo for Nerfs
I had more then that pre 1.8 |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:42:00 -
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I've been watching my brother play and all afternoon he's been eating heavies like Homer Simpson at a Dunkin' Donuts convention.
It's not that hard people. Just get a Cloak Field, get a Shotgun, and most importantly....
Get Good.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:43:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ghaz ... they probably did that to keep the number of heavies down and it becoming the FOTY . I have seen far more heavies then ever and I'm sure with the tempo and info CCP understood that so changing a few things for them was kind of necessary , to even out the roles and the game so it wouldn't be over saturated with heavies .
You are class act and any info coming from yourself and " The Judge " is valued .
Keep up the good work .
Heavies I respect you a great deal because I am one of you , sometimes but that better than not at all .
It's going to work out in the long run .
The Light weaponry nerf all but killed the heavy with light weapon FOTM because now you have to use an HMG to get the juice out of the heavy. And the HMG is only good till about 14 meters at it's optimal 31 meters, it doing 50% of the damage it's supposed to do. The heavy is finally balanced; npt overpowered and not underpowered. Very good at CQC where CCP wanted it and horrible at long range. Any change in the current values and they break it again.
Furthermore, their internal playtesting has already broken the mass driver because it did not resemble the way it worked in the wild. Now the sentinel will be broken too because of the same mistake.
PLEASE CCP don't make the same mistake again
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Big miku
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:46:00 -
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So should I just not go back into Heavy then? I really would like to know what is so OP about them that they MUST BE FIXED RIGHT NOW when in 1.7 there were and still are glaring issues that HAVE NOT AND WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED |
Powerh8er
DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:47:00 -
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I agree.
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Disturbingly Bored
Forum Warfare
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:52:00 -
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While I always thought heavies would need some adjustment to keep from being OP in 1.8, this is just a classic CCP hamfisted solution.
I would much rather see them take away the +5%/level blast damage reduction than blanket reduce HP. (That way we keep the Grenade/RE hard counter to heavies.)
The HP nerf is going to hurt Minmatar heavies the most, and they're the weakest heavy frame.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:54:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:While I always thought heavies would need some adjustment to keep from being OP in 1.8, this is just a classic CCP hamfisted solution.
I would much rather see them take away the +5%/level blast damage reduction than blanket reduce HP. (That way we keep the Grenade/RE hard counter to heavies.)
The HP nerf is going to hurt Minmatar heavies the most, and they're the weakest heavy frame.
Seriously true. CCP Shanghai seems to be incapable of being creative. |
Subject 36
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:55:00 -
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Totally agreed Ghaz Heavies should NOT have HP nerf. **** talk about "balance"
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:56:00 -
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We have to let CCP know we are against any changes to the heavy. They are balanced and internal testing does not reflect gamepley.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:59:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:snip
Furthermore, their internal playtesting has already broken the mass driver because it did not resemble the way it worked in the wild. Now the sentinel will be broken too because of the same mistake.
PLEASE CCP don't make the same mistake again I'm grateful we have a reason why. Far better than the random acts of God we are used to. Or worse simply nerfing because of Forum Metagaming.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:01:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:snip
Furthermore, their internal playtesting has already broken the mass driver because it did not resemble the way it worked in the wild. Now the sentinel will be broken too because of the same mistake.
PLEASE CCP don't make the same mistake again I'm grateful we have a reason why. Far better than the random acts of God we are used to. Or worse simply nerfing because of Forum Metagaming.
Internal playtesting is not a reason why though. I thought that CCP would have learned this from the ridiculous MD nerf.
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zingyy
OLDSPICE. Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:18:00 -
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I have no idea what logibro is talking about I can take down heavy's just fine. Lowering their HP will only make scouts op and IF YOU DARE MESS WITH MY SCOUT WELL ... ILL DO STUFF. so just don't okay just don't...
I am most definitely, maybe, probably, possibly, PERHAPS Zingy...
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:23:00 -
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Yeah seems far too soon to be nerfing anything. Let it play out for a few weeks. CCP should (and I know this is a shocker and pretty much impossible) listen to feedback before making changes. 20% is a lot of HP... |
Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:38:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:snip
Furthermore, their internal playtesting has already broken the mass driver because it did not resemble the way it worked in the wild. Now the sentinel will be broken too because of the same mistake.
PLEASE CCP don't make the same mistake again I'm grateful we have a reason why. Far better than the random acts of God we are used to. Or worse simply nerfing because of Forum Metagaming. Internal playtesting is not a reason why though. I thought that CCP would have learned this from the ridiculous MD nerf. I never said it was a good reason.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:43:00 -
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Lets keep the feedback coming. I know I was a bit ranty in my first post but it has never been so imperative that CCP listen to us
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:19:00 -
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If you like the thread, dont hit the like button but hit the reply button and give the thread exposure. Even if it's a +1 CCP needs to know how we feel about this.
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Bro-metheus
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:19:00 -
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yeah they are dumb, let the players playtest. then in a month or 2 if something needs to be addressed address it. |
Leezir
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:23:00 -
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Well that's not cool |
Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:26:00 -
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zingyy wrote:I have no idea what logibro is talking about I can take down heavy's just fine. Lowering their HP will only make scouts op and IF YOU DARE MESS WITH MY SCOUT WELL ... ILL DO STUFF. so just don't okay just don't...
Scouts are already op, wanna know what my best game TODAY was? 44/4 using only an adv cal scout with a shot gun... before that was 39/13... I can tell, Alot of people used their sp on Heavies, they will be forced to use them, nerf or no nerf, I put heavies out of commision, Nerf or no nerf. NO MERCY!!!!! but i do like a challenge so i still say boo nerfs. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:28:00 -
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Dare I say, being a medium frame user, heavies scouts and cloaks all seem pretty ok right now.
Scouts aren't so invisible you have no chance and heavies will beat you 1 v 1 but still cant take on all comers without going down.
Only issues I'm having is with the AV balance... |
XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:44:00 -
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INTERESTING FACT
The overall weapon nerf was of about 20%. The hardest hit weapon was the RR with a 15% nerf; they modified damage mods to be 5% instead of 10% at complex level. Thats a total of 20% damage nerf to the weapons that where hit the hardest.
With these numbers now CCP wants to nerf the heavy EHP by 20% which will in fact make no changes to heavies and put them back in uprising 1.7 level. Being killed in an instant by a rail rifle at 70 meters away.
This cannot be permitted to happen. HEAVIES UNITE!
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Lazy Bass
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:03:00 -
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Fix them bugs racial bonuses etc before u touch anything else
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