How in gods name is a 20% stab in the face "approaching it carefully"?

Seems like you didn't understand what I said. The 20% isn't set in stone, nor is it guaranteed to be happening at all yet. EHP is something we'll be monitoring.

Seems like you didn't understand what I said. The 20% isn't set in stone, nor is it guaranteed to be happening at all yet. EHP is something we'll be monitoring.

Seems like you didn't understand what I said. The 20% isn't set in stone, nor is it guaranteed to be happening at all yet. EHP is something we'll be monitoring.

I think this is mainly a problem of shouting "we're going to reduce it by 20%" and then going "but maybe not 20%"... I think it might have been wiser to say "testing has shown EHP is potentially slightly above what we find ideal, so we will be monitoring this carefully"...

I also think this is frankly bizarre seeing as vehicles have been crying out for some balancing since 1.7 and there were no hotfixes talked about then. I just find the development process so opaque. Why this hotfix first? why now? Why is it suddenly a problem? Why can't it wait a month until you have more data instead of the day after patch is released? It would also be nice to see some stats... like you once presented before the flaylock nerf (even though they were only usage statistics)...

Seems like you didn't understand what I said. The 20% isn't set in stone, nor is it guaranteed to be happening at all yet. EHP is something we'll be monitoring.

Saberwing, I understand there's quite a bit of shooting the messenger going on. Please pardon the flaming.


We forum goers are worried, however, that when you CCP guys mention a change "might" happen, the exact thing that you said almost always ends up in the game, no matter how much discussion we have on the subject.

We really hope that isn't the case here. Because otherwise it totally negates all the changes you made to Sentinel Bonuses, and it'd better to just give us our weird mostly useless bonuses back than nerf HP this hard.

CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon.

CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing.

Get your story straight.

Bit to late for that many players already spec to all kind heavys

Its threads like this that you really get to see the pent up frustration, animosity, and overall anger of the Dust 514 Community.

Hey guys , at least CCP did not try to revamp/ improve aiming. Then we would have a total Uprising 2.0 on our hands.

I do wonder what keeps people playing this game at this point. You had a solid idea with DUST. I just feel ever since the beta ended, the game has been really lacking a sense of structured planning.

CCP if you want to garner player support you have to engage with the community and discuss things in a moderated way. Throwing around random "20%" numbers and then saying oh well we might not..... that does not help garner support.

Apart from that, this build came riddled with bugs and errors. Granted you expect that in any game on any patch day but no where near the same extent that bugs have prevailed in 1.8.

Also what does rattle peoples cages is the fact that you seem unable to balance really easy things in this game, such as vehicles vs infantry in the form of AV.

You could come out and say - "Ok players, we want vehicles to be quite easy to kill but they will be cheap thus leading to gameplay similar to what you might expect in a battlefield title".

Or

"Ok players this is the EVE universe so some vehicles will be tanked to hell and back and be hard to kill, but for this they will cost an absolute crap ton of isk and we will actually have mechanics that will always mean tanks / vehicles cannot constantly stomp all match long".

Ahh I could go on but I feel this has all been said time and time again without anything changing.

Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it.

I do wonder what keeps people playing this game at this point. You had a solid idea with DUST. I just feel ever since the beta ended, the game has been really lacking a sense of structured planning.

CCP if you want to garner player support you have to engage with the community and discuss things in a moderated way. Throwing around random "20%" numbers and then saying oh well we might not..... that does not help garner support.

Apart from that, this build came riddled with bugs and errors. Granted you expect that in any game on any patch day but no where near the same extent that bugs have prevailed in 1.8.

Also what does rattle peoples cages is the fact that you seem unable to balance really easy things in this game, such as vehicles vs infantry in the form of AV.

You could come out and say - "Ok players, we want vehicles to be quite easy to kill but they will be cheap thus leading to gameplay similar to what you might expect in a battlefield title".

Or

"Ok players this is the EVE universe so some vehicles will be tanked to hell and back and be hard to kill, but for this they will cost an absolute crap ton of isk and we will actually have mechanics that will always mean tanks / vehicles cannot constantly stomp all match long".

Ahh I could go on but I feel this has all been said time and time again without anything changing.

Just an FYI for everyone who didn't know.. Tanks are harder too balance, you don't want them too weak or too strong. An hmg insta killing you at 60m yeah whatever I can live with that but it taking 3 full clips of six kin to kill a heavy.. Idk maybe the servers had some issues so I won't say their OP.. Yet. Gotta problem with tanks? Go fit an anti tank railgun.. There problem solved..

Just had a mosey around the office. My latest understanding is that we haven't fully committed to nerfing Heavy EHP just yet. We're going to keep an eye on it and see how things pan out. That doesn't mean there will or will not be a nerf! - just that we're going to approach it carefully.

Interesting that a hotfix for HAVs is possible...should've been hotfixed three months ago in that case. Of course, it could be that some of the work that's gone on since then was to actually allow hotfixes to be possible in the first place. We don't know everything, nor should we. But if this was true, it would help to say so. We would have better understanding about things that get us riled up.

As for CPM, for me personally, it's not so much what they can and can't do, but the way they go about their business. Their approach is wrong, they rub ppl up the wrong way, and come across as like-whores. I don't have as much respect for them as I should.

*shrugs*

It is what it is, fark it, I'm still having fun. Then again, I didn't spec heavy...yet.

I have to say great job listening to Completely Pathetic Management (CPM) once again. You adjust heavies without waiting to see what happens in the player bases hands testing vs the more powerful and changed splash weapons and lasers. But you let tanks sit for what will prob be 6-8 months or more before making even the smallest of adjustments?

I know CCP has a record of excellence to maintain (sarcasm) but really try slightly loosening your head from your ass, or at the very least wiggle your head around to make some breathing room in there. You play test like old people ****.

Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it.

Just grab a forge gun and have some fun. It works for me!

So you can change heavys on the whim of the CPM but not tanks?

Just an FYI for everyone who didn't know.. Tanks are harder too balance, you don't want them too weak or too strong. An hmg insta killing you at 60m yeah whatever I can live with that but it taking 3 full clips of six kin to kill a heavy.. Idk maybe the servers had some issues so I won't say their OP.. Yet. Gotta problem with tanks? Go fit an anti tank railgun.. There problem solved..

Seems like you didn't understand what I said. The 20% isn't set in stone, nor is it guaranteed to be happening at all yet. EHP is something we'll be monitoring.