DUST Search - So you can change heavys on the whim of the CPM but not tanks?

Harpyja wrote:

D34NOS MAZDA wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it.

1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in.
2) Remove militia hardeners
3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once
4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8)
5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video)

These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Question

Edit:

Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at.

1) Current pricing is fine. My fit costs me 560k and I am barely able to make a profit or break even with all these OP rail tanks running about. Militia tanks need to be nerfed to reflect their cost, while tiered efficiency needs to be brought back for every module to reflect SP.

2) Militia shield hardeners should remain. But hardeners should be tiered, with MLT/STD being 25/40 (armor/shield) while PRO is the current 40/60.

3) Cooldowns are fine. It takes level 5 and a complex module to get a 45s cooldown with a 30s uptime.

4) Yes

5) Yes

On your edit) No. Just make it last as long as a normal 10s hack.

Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

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SPESHULz The Southern Legion 65	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:21:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. NOOOOOOOOO Ok Logibro you shouldnt have given any warning. runs to tank for 96hours straight of stomping before they can change anything. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1460	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:23:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. SLOW them down! to 19m fix broken swarms increase cooldown time on modules reduced % on damage modules reduced % on regeneration of health increase av grenade damage to atleast be able to kill lav make vehicles appear on tacnet from passive scans modules stacking penalty % increase fixed 5 megabyte patch. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12477	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:25:00 - [33] - Quote 5 minutes of 1.8 and all I see is cloaks I think I'm all set with this patch haha. TTK increase? I am dieing WAY faster than ever before lmfao. smh Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3086	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:26:00 - [34] - Quote lolcpm Anyways how are heavys changed? Intelligence is OP
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3351	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:38:00 - [35] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolcpm Anyways how are heavys changed? They are getting a 20% hp nerf, because CCP's internal testing is apparently incompetent and likes to throw around big numbers without actually doing their jobs.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1091	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:39:00 - [36] - Quote im at work and havnt even gotten the chance to spec into my new heavy and i read its already having a nerf on the way. CCP sure was quick with the nerf hammer on this one, nerfing 20% HP? is there a point in having Minmatar heavies after this? i know the numbers aren't set but still, throwing up 20% is quite a high number. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12480	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:40:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolcpm Anyways how are heavys changed? They are getting a 20% hp nerf, because CCP's internal testing is apparently incompetent and likes to throw around big numbers without actually doing their jobs. When CCP says Internal Testing, I'm all but positive they mean Table Tennis. Whoever wins gets to chose the fix, which is proportional to the amount of points it took to win the game. My brain can't handle this game anymore. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1445	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:41:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon. CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing. Get your story straight. Don't be shy now ;) Alot of what tanks are today we can thank IWS for.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 666	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:44:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So first I'm not allowed to switch my suits thanks to a dropsuit command only refund, and now, not a couple hours into the patch I can expect my suit to receive a strong nerf. Classic CCP, 100% My decisions matter yes thats why your decisions is all ways last and mine 1st enjoy. Hey man, you're my OP radar. If you enjoy something, then I know it's broke as **** aww man that's EVERYTHING IN GAME ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3086	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:52:00 - [40] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolcpm Anyways how are heavys changed? They are getting a 20% hp nerf, because CCP's internal testing is apparently incompetent and likes to throw around big numbers without actually doing their jobs. Damn I was planning to go back to heavy because i have FG and HMG skilled up I still have to go heavy either way but now im more gimped and dont have that choice because i have weapons i cannot skill out of Thanks lolcpm Intelligence is OP

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1394	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:00:00 - [41] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Edit: Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at. 1) Current pricing is fine. My fit costs me 560k and I am barely able to make a profit or break even with all these OP rail tanks running about. Militia tanks need to be nerfed to reflect their cost, while tiered efficiency needs to be brought back for every module to reflect SP. 2) Militia shield hardeners should remain. But hardeners should be tiered, with MLT/STD being 25/40 (armor/shield) while PRO is the current 40/60. 3) Cooldowns are fine. It takes level 5 and a complex module to get a 45s cooldown with a 30s uptime. 4) Yes 5) Yes On your edit) No. Just make it last as long as a normal 10s hack. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 616	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:03:00 - [42] - Quote A quick response to something that was obviously going to be an issue? +1 Dev Faith.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1869	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:39:00 - [43] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: A quick response to something that was obviously going to be an issue? +1 Dev Faith. The fact that so many very obvious things are wrong in this patch. The fact that tanks were not looked at as part of the fundamental patch contents? -2 Rouge faith. I support SP rollover.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1515	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:43:00 - [44] - Quote Yes OP, we know you need people to blame but you gotta make sense before you blame them. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2137	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:43:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. It is good to see all the blue tags, keep it up and you'll make the community more happy and less bitchy. The game is totally different and I like it, you all did well and if you keep putting out fun things then we can overlook the bugs. KEEP COMMUNICATION UP and it will go a long way. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 694	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:50:00 - [46] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Edit: Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at. The pricing can be increased more but definitely not to what it was before. Somewhere between 250-500k for the hull alone. Turret speed needs to be reduced. When a blaster turret can track my scout something is wrong. Fix swarm launcher damage as per the judges video. Someone link for CCP. They need to watch it. Newb
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 694	Posted - 2014.03.25 14:55:00 - [47] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. SLOW them down! to 19m fix broken swarms increase cooldown time on modules reduced % on damage modules reduced % on regeneration of health increase av grenade damage to atleast be able to kill lav make vehicles appear on tacnet from passive scans modules stacking penalty % increase fixed 5 megabyte patch. Pretty much guaranteed to fix the problem. Agree 100% Newb
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:00:00 - [48] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Edit: Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at. LMFAO........REALLY? the pros, run hardeners, deplete,recall, repeat. The ONLY way to fix tanks is to nerf recall. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 303	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:04:00 - [49] - Quote I JUST SPENT MY SKILL POINTS! WHAT ARE THEY NERFING ON THE HEAVIES AND WHY!! IF IT"S NOT WORKING AS YOUR PROGRAMMED IT THEN IT NEEDS TO BE HOT FIXED... OTHERWISE GIVE IT A FEW DAYS TO SEE IF A COUNTER RISES UP. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 432	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:23:00 - [50] - Quote Harpyja wrote: D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Edit: Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at. 1) Current pricing is fine. My fit costs me 560k and I am barely able to make a profit or break even with all these OP rail tanks running about. Militia tanks need to be nerfed to reflect their cost, while tiered efficiency needs to be brought back for every module to reflect SP. 2) Militia shield hardeners should remain. But hardeners should be tiered, with MLT/STD being 25/40 (armor/shield) while PRO is the current 40/60. 3) Cooldowns are fine. It takes level 5 and a complex module to get a 45s cooldown with a 30s uptime. 4) Yes 5) Yes On your edit) No. Just make it last as long as a normal 10s hack. Harpyja most of the time I see your opinion about tank fixes I find myself in agreement because it make since . You don't try to break down tanks more than they have been and it seems like you would like to give players incentives to play HAV's but not only that , to skill into them so they can increase their experience and that's the way that it should be instead of using militia straight out of the door and being game busters like it currently is at the moment . You are very astute in your observations . Thank You for being that way . True gets a lot of people behind him for his thoughts and while I don't agree with most that he has to say ... he does make some good points but you are spot on for the most part . Keep up the good work and thanks again . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 534	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:25:00 - [51] - Quote I really feel for the CPM, they cant really influence much chage other than suggesting tweaks, CCP has final say on everything, but CPM/CSM always get blamed for every single change in their respective games.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 433	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:30:00 - [52] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Edit: Also make it take about 20 secs to recall a tank. Means people cant just jump out and recall when they are being shot at. The pricing can be increased more but definitely not to what it was before. Somewhere between 250-500k for the hull alone. Turret speed needs to be reduced. When a blaster turret can track my scout something is wrong. Fix swarm launcher damage as per the judges video. Someone link for CCP. They need to watch it. If the turret can track you it is because they placed SP's into that skill . Check and see how many skill points is required to even be able to have that applied and you will notice that it took a lot of work for them to get that way . Stop trying to break the role down for your personal benefit . If you want to nerf recall then nerf the ability to change fits at the storage depot as well . You people need to stop all the HAV hating . It's getting played out and is getting you no where . Add prospective info for fixes and stop being bias . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 355	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:30:00 - [53] - Quote Bro-metheus, take it easy on the profanity. I did the same thing a week ago and got banned. Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the sentinel eHP nerf but... they will still outperform the other dropsuits in HP. I'm not too afraid of my Amarr Sentinel dropping from 1569 to 1255. I'm concerned about the squishy sentinels, specifically Min and Cal. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 298	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:30:00 - [54] - Quote Secondarius Maximus wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. great, i bet you will mail to me when this has done so i might consider playing again. no you will just find something new to cry about u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 289	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:32:00 - [55] - Quote Denesian Morenti wrote: Just grab a forge gun and have some fun. It works for me! Dual wyrkomi (or however they are spelled.... I'm talking about proto) swarms on a commando, and tanks go down like flies. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12490	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:32:00 - [56] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Bro-metheus, take it easy on the profanity. I did the same thing a week ago and got banned. Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the sentinel eHP nerf but... they will still outperform the other dropsuits in HP. I'm not too afraid of my Amarr Sentinel dropping from 1569 to 1255. I'm concerned about the squishy sentinels, specifically Min and Cal. So basically they're just going to be easier to hit, slower logi / assaults with no equipment and a short range weapon. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 161	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:48:00 - [57] - Quote have you watched judge rhadamanthus' video on swarms? start there ccp. "Anybody order chaos?"
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 149	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:55:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. Un-tiercide the tank modules (nerf mlt-std-adv modules) Nerf the MLT Tank's CPU/PG Increase the efficiency of swarms vs Dropships to match that against other vehicles done. Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 650	Posted - 2014.03.25 15:56:00 - [59] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's 2.5 million per HAV? Stop overreacting. The current prices are too low, but putting them back up to the astronomical level they used to be at is no better. I wouldn't say removing Militia Hardeners is necessary, but they shouldn't have equivalent stats to STD ones. Maybe increase their cooldowns to 100 seconds and reduce their Hardening by 5-10%. While I certainly don't think tanks should go back to their old price structure, I do feel they are too low at the current price. However, for the militia hardeners, I always thought the point of militia was to be the same as basic so you understand what you're skilling into but at a much higher PG/CPU cost. The point being that you haven't learned how to use the skill yet so it takes more 'brain power' figuratively speaking. Wouldn't it be better to make the militia hardeners cpu/pg intensive so only one fitting is possible at militia and bump the others up in tiers so stacking is less common? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 16:04:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1.6 AV



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