DUST Search - So you can change heavys on the whim of the CPM but not tanks?

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

D34NOS MAZDA wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it.

1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in.
2) Remove militia hardeners
3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once
4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8)
5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video)

These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's Question

2.5 million per HAV? Stop overreacting.

The current prices are too low, but putting them back up to the astronomical level they used to be at is no better.

I wouldn't say removing Militia Hardeners is necessary, but they shouldn't have equivalent stats to STD ones. Maybe increase their cooldowns to 100 seconds and reduce their Hardening by 5-10%.

Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You

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Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.25 11:53:00 - [1] - Quote I have to say great job listening to Completely Pathetic Management (CPM) once again. You adjust heavies without waiting to see what happens in the player bases hands testing vs the more powerful and changed splash weapons and lasers. But you let tanks sit for what will prob be 6-8 months or more before making even the smallest of adjustments? I know CCP has a record of excellence to maintain (sarcasm) but really try slightly loosening your head from your ass, or at the very least wiggle your head around to make some breathing room in there. You play test like old people ****.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 815	Posted - 2014.03.25 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe the CPM likes tanks, maybe some drive tanks by them self...who knows .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13684	Posted - 2014.03.25 11:56:00 - [3] - Quote CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon. CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing. Get your story straight. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1188	Posted - 2014.03.25 11:57:00 - [4] - Quote the irony, they magically instantly see that heavy EHP is too high but for some reason the 20k+ ehp tanks costing as much as proto suits are ok despite getting warnings from several sides...
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 983	Posted - 2014.03.25 11:58:00 - [5] - Quote Or maybe, tanks have a lot more variables than heavies, and therefore take longer to balance. I'm glad that at least CCP is doing something about heavies, even if tanks are still running amok. IT gives me hope that they will fix them soon. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:01:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon. CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing. Get your story straight. Its nice to know your oh so capable of winning those oh so hard fights Saber..... I'm surprised you found the time to say anything between all the sucking and swallowing. Must have been like those last 10 seconds of a video when you where wiping your chin and get to mention something to the camera.....
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 815	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:02:00 - [7] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: the irony, they magically instantly see that heavy EHP is too high but for some reason the 20k+ ehp tanks costing as much as proto suits are ok despite getting warnings from several sides... Well the CPM was quite eager for a prenerf of cloaks....as well
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:03:00 - [8] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or maybe, tanks have a lot more variables than heavies, and therefore take longer to balance. I'm glad that at least CCP is doing something about heavies, even if tanks are still running amok. IT gives me hope that they will fix them soon. BS heavies have a ton of factors affecting gameplay as much as tanks if not more. there are far far far more dps considerations affecting a heavy compared to a tank that is only affected by a small minority of the weapons in play.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13687	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:03:00 - [9] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or maybe, tanks have a lot more variables than heavies, and therefore take longer to balance. I'm glad that at least CCP is doing something about heavies, even if tanks are still running amok. IT gives me hope that they will fix them soon. BS heavies have a ton of factors affecting gameplay as much as tanks if not more. there are far far far more dps considerations affecting a heavy compared to a tank that is only affected by a small minority of the weapons in play. Okay you balance it. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2504	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:09:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Saberwing stated on Twitter yesterday that they're working on a hotfix for tanks too, so you can unbunch your panties. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6283	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:10:00 - [11] - Quote Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

The-Errorist 572	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:26:00 - [12] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: I have to say great job listening to Completely Pathetic Management (CPM) once again. You adjust heavies without waiting to see what happens in the player bases hands testing vs the more powerful and changed splash weapons and lasers. But you let tanks sit for what will prob be 6-8 months or more before making even the smallest of adjustments? I know CCP has a record of excellence to maintain (sarcasm) but really try slightly loosening your head from your ass, or at the very least wiggle your head around to make some breathing room in there. You play test like old people ****. In 1.8, they didn't get to talk to the CPM about a lot of the changes they were making.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 268	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:30:00 - [13] - Quote Lol with heavy nerf planned 5 minutes into 1.8 I'll see you in a couple months. Good luck.
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 243	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:35:00 - [14] - Quote I can't help but laugh like a maniac every time I see hate towards the CPM. Are you jokers aware that being CPM is a very difficult and tiring task? They can't give you everything you want, or why should they? If you were CPM, would you want to try to constantly appease a large majority of people who ridicule you? Seriously, you should try it. >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 415	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:37:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries 4908	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:40:00 - [16] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's 2.5 million per HAV? Stop overreacting. The current prices are too low, but putting them back up to the astronomical level they used to be at is no better. I wouldn't say removing Militia Hardeners is necessary, but they shouldn't have equivalent stats to STD ones. Maybe increase their cooldowns to 100 seconds and reduce their Hardening by 5-10%. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 429	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:42:00 - [17] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon. CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing. Get your story straight. Its nice to know your oh so capable of winning those oh so hard fights Saber..... I'm surprised you found the time to say anything between all the sucking and swallowing. Must have been like those last 10 seconds of a video when you where wiping your chin and get to mention something to the camera..... Now , while I don't agree with IWS ( his view on tanks and tierside for the most part ) the CPM's still deserve respect . It can't be a easy position and for what it's worth ... trying to play the middle ground between the community and the hierarchy .... a lot of changes have come within just a few months . Some good and some not so good but can be fixed . I believe that the way that you have approached this matter and them was way out of line . It's a reflection on the community and could play a part in handling matters of concern . Your an adult .. I'm sure of it and if not I'm not your parent , so the next time you feel this ^^^ way ... maybe you should use your inner voice more often . There are other ways to address someone that you do not agree with because insults really don't get a positive effect . As you can see ... they didn't even address that and the fact that you have gotten a DEV's attention and they themselves didn't put you in your place , shows that they decided to take the high ground on this matter . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 660	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:43:00 - [18] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: I have to say great job listening to Completely Pathetic Management (CPM) once again. You adjust heavies without waiting to see what happens in the player bases hands testing vs the more powerful and changed splash weapons and lasers. But you let tanks sit for what will prob be 6-8 months or more before making even the smallest of adjustments? I know CCP has a record of excellence to maintain (sarcasm) but really try slightly loosening your head from your ass, or at the very least wiggle your head around to make some breathing room in there. You play test like old people ***. maybe tanks are not broken as you think maybe if you asked CCP your self you would know that CCP wants to fix drop suits the most used thing in the game* before they go messing with HAV,s as far as daming the CPM and CCP i think you need to chill out . Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Denesian Morenti The Neutral Zone 11	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:45:00 - [19] - Quote Just grab a forge gun and have some fun. It works for me!
Secondarius Maximus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:47:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. great, i bet you will mail to me when this has done so i might consider playing again.

Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 231	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:49:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM only made the push to get the information public on the grounds we dont want you guys spending sp into something that may get nerfed really soon. CCP Concluded the need for the Nerf in their testing. Get your story straight. ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! thats right IWS TELL THE SCRUB WHATS UP LOLOLOLOLOLOLO Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 629	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:49:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. Why must I stay turned... Its making work very difficult and awkward. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 429	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:49:00 - [23] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: D34NOS MAZDA wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. 1) Bring back the pricing structure that used to be in. 2) Remove militia hardeners 3) Increase the cooldown on hardeners or have it so only one can be fitted at once 4) Give AV grenades back there third grenade (If this has been taken in 1.8) 5) Correct swarm launchers as they are broke (as per Judge Rhadamanthus' video) These will go a long way to getting them balanced. Who agree's 2.5 million per HAV? Stop overreacting. The current prices are too low, but putting them back up to the astronomical level they used to be at is no better. I wouldn't say removing Militia Hardeners is necessary, but they shouldn't have equivalent stats to STD ones. Maybe increase their cooldowns to 100 seconds and reduce their Hardening by 5-10%. Now what you propose is a good start and could actually be apart of any hot fix . This and the fact that any stacking of hardeners and weapons damage mods resulting in only a ten percent increase could also ward off any stacking which is a problem as well . There needs to be a much bigger penalty in stacking hardeners and damage mods . Same with infantry damage mods , there should be a bigger penalty or else you are faced with the same problems but just not with the exact same results because of the mod changes . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12472	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:50:00 - [24] - Quote So first I'm not allowed to switch my suits thanks to a dropsuit command only refund, and now, not a couple hours into the patch I can expect my suit to receive a strong nerf. Classic CCP, 100% My decisions matter Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
jerrmy12 kahoalii 674	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:51:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So first I'm not allowed to switch my suits thanks to a dropsuit command only refund, and now, not a couple hours into the patch I can expect my suit to receive a strong nerf. Classic CCP, 100% My decisions matter I went 31/6 against fa in a shotgun scout vs mass drivers and scrs Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 429	Posted - 2014.03.25 12:53:00 - [26] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: I can't help but laugh like a maniac every time I see hate towards the CPM. Are you jokers aware that being CPM is a very difficult and tiring task? They can't give you everything you want, or why should they? If you were CPM, would you want to try to constantly appease a large majority of people who ridicule you? Seriously, you should try it. No they shouldn't . You think things move slowly and are screwed up now ??? We would never get anything done . Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1719	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:03:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tanks will also be getting a hot fix, but we haven't nailed down exactly how it will be presented, hence why it's not in the hotfix post yet. Stay turned, and it will get added once we've decided how we want to do it. Don;t let hardeners and damage mods stack. Make heavy armor repairers active mod again, leave light armor repairer as passive. there, half the complaints gone. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 662	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:07:00 - [28] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: So first I'm not allowed to switch my suits thanks to a dropsuit command only refund, and now, not a couple hours into the patch I can expect my suit to receive a strong nerf. Classic CCP, 100% My decisions matter yes thats why your decisions is all ways last and mine 1st enjoy. Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12474	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:10:00 - [29] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: So first I'm not allowed to switch my suits thanks to a dropsuit command only refund, and now, not a couple hours into the patch I can expect my suit to receive a strong nerf. Classic CCP, 100% My decisions matter yes thats why your decisions is all ways last and mine 1st enjoy. Hey man, you're my OP radar. If you enjoy something, then I know it's broke as **** Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 395	Posted - 2014.03.25 13:16:00 - [30] - Quote agree, u guys shouldnt even be discussing a heavy nerf until more playtesting has been done, and the tank fix needs to be first!



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