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al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:00:00 - [1] - Quote Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2218	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:04:00 - [2] - Quote Yes. It's a reasonable tracker of my effectiveness and improvement. Is mine valid comparison to others? No. Mine was jacked up a lot by being a competent tanker; now that I'm running infantry my K/D is slowly falling. Should stabilise soon, though, I think. Matches in which I run tanks actually don't contribute all that much to my K/D; I spend most of my time AVin rather Han trying to kill infantry. (I have 36M SP) ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1323	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [3] - Quote I have a kind-of an objective to get a KDR of 2, currently at 1.89 and slowly climbing. But other than that, I don't really pay attention to KDR, and I pay more attention to me continuing to stay ISK positive and generally winning matches. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Mar. 18th
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 262	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [4] - Quote Haha me to man. Hitting a positive KDR made me feel like i beat Dust.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1071	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [5] - Quote Over all, no. On a game to game basis, yes. Pretty happy as long as I stay risk positive and above a 2.0 kdr. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 233	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:07:00 - [6] - Quote Just spam tanks everyone else is dunaing it if not join-in-my-stomp. But seriously ur kdr looks like u play this game honestly with that id be proud. Hit me with your nerf bat.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1974	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:08:00 - [7] - Quote K/D doesn't mean **** if you're poor in the end. (No, K/D ratio does not matter to me. I don't need something so silly in order to crutch self-confidence.) "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 230	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:11:00 - [8] - Quote Problem here is the different stats of all the suits... I think in this game there should be a much more New Eden related stat, the Kills per Isk invested ratio. So if you kill a decent amount of suits with militia gear, you are better than a proto scrub who kills the same amount of opponents...!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2638	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:14:00 - [9] - Quote Sadly KD means jack at the competive level as one game you my kill loads of people and the next you die 20 times to tie up a few players allowing your team to capture another objective. The score screen should be replaced with total isk destoryed "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:15:00 - [10] - Quote I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: I play for fun and my KDR (0.65) doesn't matter to me at all. I am usually at least sixth in a line up of 32 on the WP screen and I use all advanced gear. KDR doesn't always reflect the worth of a player. My win/loss was close to 2.0 and I make ISK no problem. Point is that you should play the way you like and enjoy, don't let some number make you feel like you are bad, except for maybe your wallet. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Foo Fighting Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 63	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:17:00 - [11] - Quote CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 273	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:18:00 - [12] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&nsniping tain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. You can do it! I've worked hard for my Kdr in battle that you are trying to win Kdr won't matter just that pride of winning that battle is what matters. But overall Kdr does matter through out your career and Self assurance. At a point I was at 2.80 ever since uprising its come down to 2.59. Also no tanks murder taxi sniping or anything just all honest run n gun infantry I've worked for it. We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:20:00 - [13] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: I play for fun and my KDR (0.65) doesn't matter to me at all. I am usually at least sixth in a line up of 32 on the WP screen and I use all advanced gear. KDR doesn't always reflect the worth of a player. My win/loss was close to 2.0 and I make ISK no problem. Point is that you should play the way you like and enjoy, don't let some number make you feel like you are bad, except for maybe your wallet. Problem is that the top corporations look on your KDR first and your other qualities second. They prefer to have a slayer with good logi abilities to a player with top logi abilities and only good slaying... This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile...
Avery Blue Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:21:00 - [14] - Quote The Kill / Death Ratio is merely a statistic. Your 'skill' in a shooter like Dust 514 derives from some basic elements like map, dropsuit, skill understanding and most importantly reflexes. If you are taking your KDR as a measurement of skill then you are forgetting that KDR is a statistic and not a proof of your skill in itself, but basically something that says "Yes, you are doing good." or "No, you are doing poorly." For example, if you introduce a new dropsuit and it doesn't work out for you then your KDR will go lower, and that means "You're doing worse with this dropsuit" but it doesn't imply lack of skill, it only implies a change of performance which in turn it means that KDR is a statistic for perfomance and not reassurance of skill per s+¿. Bottom line, if you are playing Dust 514, or any shooter then you should keep in mind that KDR isn't a number that showcases skill, but a statistic that tells you whether or not you perform great or poorly. Also for those that bring EVE in comparison one way or another, keep in mind that they are two distinct and greatly different game genres with their own distinct audience. The connection between EVE and Dust 514 likely brings a number of people from one game to the other, but hardly I expect someone who picked up Dust 514 and is a fan of shooters to pick up EVE and vice-versa. So, what do you think it of the current shooter landscape where such a statistic regarding performance suddenly becomes implication of skill when it's clearly not?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1781	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:23:00 - [15] - Quote to be honest, it does to a point. i remember how accomplished i felt when i finally got my KDR to a 1, because it meant that i was getting better at the game. right now, mt KDR is nearing a 2.30, all from scouting. that's why my KDR matters to me now. i don't pad it, i don't run the most OP fits to achieve it. i got it with honest hard work the entire time. Anime > EVERYTHING
Dan Blackfield Algintal Core Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:25:00 - [16] - Quote At 4.5 m Sp I have KDR of 0.47 and slowly climbing. I play as an assault in an assault dropsuit and will continue to do so after 1.8 hits. To me it doesnt matter at all, many deaths is my own fault for spraying praying and running into enemies.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:27:00 - [17] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile... I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: Yes, PC is broken because of that. Every role should be needed to win and that is why I don't do PC. When real #logilove is needed in PC I will participate more. I stopped doing PC about three days after it was released because of this exact reason. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 271	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:35:00 - [18] - Quote Eve has isk killed/lost ratio. If it was a straight kd\r, I know a number of good players that would be labeled "bad" GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:36:00 - [19] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile... I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: Yes, PC is broken because of that. Every role should be needed to win and that is why I don't do PC. When real #logilove is needed in PC I will participate more. I stopped doing PC about three days after it was released because of this exact reason. Not quite, I think CCP tries their best, but they stumble over their own feet and have a lack of personnell. I don't care to much about PC anymore, since I'm not a good slayer, and don't want to be the reason to loose a district, so I moved to my own corp and squad with my friends I found in other corps. PC is dominated by the ELDER players (vets) and some new shots (with more than 25mil SP), who have skills or equipment that gives them the means to dominate. This might change when the eve connection is becoming more important in PC 2.0. Anyway, I'm actually not looking forward to that, if it doesn't give us new game modes. If they implement that with the same crappy skirmish as we have now, it will still be about clone counts and KDR as it is now.
rpastry The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 137	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:37:00 - [20] - Quote there are some really **** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 762	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ehhh, I pull decent enough numbers in matches to know that I am not terrible. My KDR doesn't mean too much to me. Obviously it being a bigger number is better but only because "I worked to get it up there." And, because it is so close to another whole number, it actually means more to me now then it did before. Once it is into that whole number, I will probably only care if it drops. But it will only be probably as much as I care about flushing an impressive turd; you want to keep it there to show off but in the end it is just poo. I think there is too much emphasis on it, going both ways. The number of people that bang the "KDR DOESN'T MATTER!" drum is on par with the other people banging the "KDR IS GOD!" drum. There are a lot of people that care about their e-peen and there are a lot of people that hate the other guy's e-peen. shrug
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:41:00 - [22] - Quote rpastry wrote: there are some really **** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. Yepp, I probably will never hit 1, since I have a very head on into the middle of things playstyle... but that's just more fun, and I think I have lead a lot of point takeovers, where I wasted 3 or more suits in a minute... but it was fun.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 684	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:42:00 - [23] - Quote Couldn't care less about my kdr. What is important is enjoying my time playing the game, getting better at my tactics and staying reasonably ISK positive. Majority of my time in New Eden has been as a logi, and now as a scout so yeah... Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2213	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:42:00 - [24] - Quote It's personal preference, if it means something to you, then that is all that matters. I personally am more concerned about my WP/p death ratio and WP/p match ratio. If I'm not getting enough WP, then I'm not doing my best to help my team. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 201	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:53:00 - [25] - Quote Technically kd doesn't matter, admittedly I keep an eye on mine just to see where it balances out (was a bit bloated from sniping a few builds back) that being said I never quit battles or MCC camp if we're losing since it doesn't have any in game application, it's just another useless stat we're given. Something that would be FAR more helpful would be say WP/D or /game. I know there's a bunch of dedicated logi out there with complete shite k/d's but crazy high WP/game, if you checked the only stat we have access to it would say they're ****** players which is obviously not the case. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote axis alpha wrote: You can do it! I've worked hard for my Kdr in battle that you are trying to win Kdr won't matter just that pride of winning that battle is what matters. But overall Kdr does matter through out your career and Self assurance. At a point I was at 2.80 ever since uprising its come down to 2.59. Also no tanks murder taxi sniping or anything just all honest run n gun infantry I've worked for it. To hit that number you have truly worked for it. I agree that winning the battle is all important. If I feel like I was useful to my team after the match then that's the greatest satisfaction. Dying 10 times but doing it in the process of hacking a crucial system makes KDR a mere distraction... I saw a youtube video where the guy recommended mucking about with remotes. I cooked up a cheap dropsuit and did just that. Fantastic fun ensued but the old KDR went plunging down again.. It's always there to remind you that you ain't all that! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 232	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:22:00 - [27] - Quote My brob with some of the KDR whores is the fact that even with their good to awesome skills they often retreat when the going gets tough or find excuses why they have to go from the thickest place to some outside node, where they won't die that often. That's good for their KDR, but might be bad for the team, it feels like desertion sometimes...
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:26:00 - [28] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: My brob with some of the KDR whores is the fact that even with their good to awesome skills they often retreat when the going gets tough or find excuses why they have to go from the thickest place to some outside node, where they won't die that often. That's good for their KDR, but might be bad for the team, it feels like desertion sometimes... Great point - Whenever I get in a flap about my hideous KDR I'm pretty sure I start playing like a coward.. Hanging back.. Rail Rifle.. A whole lot of running away on the first few hits.. The mindset changes - but I'm not sure if the fun factor rises or falls. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 887	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:29:00 - [29] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome. Wait what? I played mostly skirmish... Assault rifle has nothing on me
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 425	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:35:00 - [30] - Quote Scout so I don't care about it. PC is as some have stated a bunch of crap. Just a mirror of skirm when it should be so Mutch Mutch more. War never changes

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 593	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:37:00 - [31] - Quote If a .75 is a mountain, then, dang, what the hell did I climb? In chrome mine was a .42 (pure Logi with a Basic SMG). Since Uprising, with the help of an Assault suit early on and my beloved Python in 1.6 and my Incubus currently, I pulled myself out on the gutter and am now sitting at a semirespectable (I hope) 2.53. As to does it matter? When I was that low when Uprising hit, yes, it did. I felt like I was pretty useless. My Heavy friend, with his 40+ games every time, however, made me realize that I was pretty handy to have around and did some great work. Now, I could careless. Low KD? Let's figure out why and work off your strengths. If I'm comparing people, I usually do more of a WP/K or WP/D ratio. WP/K is my favorite, because most top leaderboard people average around 80WP per kill (iirc) with the main exception (off the top of my head) being Doc DDD having somewhere around a 300WP per kill (While being a tanker would do that, most tankers aren't actually that good at tank busting, most just hunt infantry according to the math). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 507	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:38:00 - [32] - Quote The highest my kd has ever been was 1.34 and since It is now 1.25 and Thats because of remote explosives on a frotline suit. Its just so fun. But honestly it has never mattered to me and dust is the first fps that I have broken the 1.0 mark. I'm an objective pusher, I am personal vendetta guy and I take pride in dieing a lot if it means I took the letter and turned a match around.
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:52:00 - [33] - Quote Look at your monthly and weekly k/d its a lot more accurate. Its hard to really play the game and come out with positive kd at low sp, even now at 22m sp I run starter fits for isk, I play with others irl and pass the controller around and that always screws your kd. Lifetime kd isn't nearly as accurate as your weekly and monthly kd. R.I.P Mag - SVER
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2183	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:54:00 - [34] - Quote I stopped caring awhile ago, at one point I was happy to maintain a 5.25 kdr, now I just don't bother looking at it for months at a time.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1133	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:57:00 - [35] - Quote I try to keep at 1.00 K/D but it doesn't bother me when I don't hit that. I care more about making a profit in ISK at the end of the match. We are immortal mercenaries, right? Being immortal pretty much negates the fear of death. The mercenary part means we care about The Almighty ISK. At least that's the way I see it. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1187	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:04:00 - [36] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. Honestly it does to me since i'm not a logi player. Personally a non-logi assault player should have about 3.0 KDR... I don't do very well in logi work, other than uplinks and nano hives... But i'm more interested in that W/L ratio... Most of the KDR boosters i've seen in match, they leave if they die more than 3 times. That's no way of raising your KDR. I know how difficult it is to raise it and maintain it....
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 398	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:06:00 - [37] - Quote I have to comment,read my signature Fck the kdr,i`m going in
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4707	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:08:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah, but only so I can see my progress. I don't like to compare, and I don't brag about it. I have like a mediocre 1.7. Or at least I did last month when I checked. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3345	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:12:00 - [39] - Quote I actually looked at mine last night for the first time in months. Still the same at 1.74. I care about winning and keeping my wallet pointed in the right direction. I look for good fights and trying new fits and tactics. No, lifetime KDR means nothing to me. Battle KDR just provides feedback on how well that new fit or tactic worked out. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 336	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:13:00 - [40] - Quote Yes and no. I always try to never go negative ever in matches and still get a lot of kills. All that being combined with being a real logi with all equipment, I think I don't do too bad. Mine is 1.5 which I brought way up from an original of 0.64 It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San

Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 533	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:22:00 - [41] - Quote kinda, as ISK output seems to be calculated by it in some way "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3205	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:23:00 - [42] - Quote I don't really care. Mine was 0.16 when I first saw it. I hit 1.00 at about 10,000 Kills. I've been having fun spamming the living ** out of MLT suits lately. If I walk away with a 1.00 or better at the end of a match, I win. I could run Prototype suits and easily keep a 5.00, but then what's the fun in that? The uphill challenge is lost. Who's going to give a ? Is it going to get me some oral? No. Well then, ** it. And these asswipes that claim they don't give *, but run Proto Aurum gear match after match, death after death, are full of . You wouldn't have bought into that ** if you weren't trying to overcompensate for something... I GÖú Kittens.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3346	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:24:00 - [43] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: kinda, as ISK output seems to be calculated by it in some way ISK is based on your War Points compared to the rest of your team. A Logistics placing at the top with no kills can make more ISK than anyone else and have a battle KDR of 0/15. It does help pay for those expensive Logistics fits though. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 31	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:26:00 - [44] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Is it going to get me some oral? No. Well then, **** it.... haha - not a bad philosophy for life in general! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
shadow drake35 The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 81	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:30:00 - [45] - Quote no MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1619	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:30:00 - [46] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked. I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 768	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:35:00 - [47] - Quote I am amazed that no one has stated the obvious. KDR does not get you laid.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 425	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:37:00 - [48] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked. I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. It must be nice to be you! Inlighten the rest how it is bro we al have a need to feel your awesomeness. War never changes
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 771	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:42:00 - [49] - Quote KDR matters for tankers, heavies, and slayers. Logis and scouts don't have to be killing to be effective, but it helps. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Duke Noobiam Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:44:00 - [50] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I'm in the same boat... Only ever run infantry ( logi or assault) and my lifetime KDR is around 0.70 although my monhtly and weekly is usually slightly above 1.00. I think what we have is pretty standard for the average infantry player. Keep in mind that all things being equal (skill, meta level of equipment and experience), KD/R will reflect the following.. Tankers > dropship pilots > Heavy > Assault >= Logi >= Scout* So if you run a logi or scout exclusively it will be much harder and require much more skill to have a positive KDR then it would if you ran a heavy or a tank. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.

Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 319	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:51:00 - [51] - Quote In a [maximum players] 16v16 scenario, then the guys with massive KDRs will win just about every time. Those who say that KDR doesn't matter are disillusioned and haven't seen the light yet. KDR is an indication of how good you are at staying alive, while still killing. The less you die, the better you can do your job. The more you kill, the easier you make your own job. The two go hand in hand. Until battles become something like 256v256 with three consecutive battles one after the other, all results interconnected, then and only MAYBE then will numbers start to matter. Try-hard clans won't be able to field the same numbers and still retain their killing superiority before they get burned out by the number of matches and opponents they face. IMO, Dust is the one game that has gotten closest to this scenario, where numbers CAN outfight skill. But still no go. Slayers are still the most valuable team asset any team can have.
Duke Noobiam Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.03.20 13:57:00 - [52] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked. I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. Maybe you just have more experience at FPS games than the average joe. Personally this is my first FPS (and I'm an older gamer) so my learning curve has been and is still very steep. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5150	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:01:00 - [53] - Quote not in the slightest, wouldn't be a scout if it did. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1076	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:03:00 - [54] - Quote No. And I kinda have a dim view of those that leave a match before the end if they've had a bad one, so they can save their precious KDR. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University CPM1 candidate
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:39:00 - [55] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. Stunned to hear that your kdr is over 5 and always has been! Complete respect if you kicked off that way and never looked back. But come on.. you must see how difficult this game is for newbs. Now I'm not a newb anymore and I'm getting better - if my kdr started a month ago I reckon it would be closer to 2. And I would consider myself a decent player - but you must be one of those guys that murders the s*** out of me and makes me cry every other game! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:48:00 - [56] - Quote Metrics are useful if you are aware of their constraints. KDR can be a measure of your current performance vs. historical performance, an ancillary consideration (like for a full time logi), or the central focus of your game play. I like to kill more than die, but that is secondary to winning and having fun. Many of my most enjoyable games are trying to keep a group of blueberrys from getting spawn camped/redlined by organized squads by providing safe up links in defensible spots, harassing the enemy and ninja hacking objectives. From my perspective, KDR can be a useful tool to track performance (I'm a slayer), but it would ruin my game play experience if I fixated on it. -Aramis
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 181	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:52:00 - [57] - Quote Real men don't care about their K/DR! Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO "Corp leaders boost corp members morale, morale is a key to victory"
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3105	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:55:00 - [58] - Quote KDR can be easily bought with ISK. Selling Templar BPO's 250Mil Last of the BPO's(Click link) I feed off your tears
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:55:00 - [59] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Just spam tanks everyone else is dunaing it if not join-in-my-stomp. But seriously ur kdr looks like u play this game honestly with that id be proud. In truth I considered going tank crazy but then I got all GI Joe about it and decided I would either do it the hard way or not at all! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 688	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:58:00 - [60] - Quote I couldn't care less about my KDR. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.

Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1674	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:00:00 - [61] - Quote They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1197	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:03:00 - [62] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Love the idea
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1674	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:05:00 - [63] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Love the idea Mainly because it's awesome. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 596	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:23:00 - [64] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: In a [maximum players] 16v16 scenario, then the guys with massive KDRs will win just about every time. Those who say that KDR doesn't matter are disillusioned and haven't seen the light yet. KDR is an indication of how good you are at staying alive, while still killing. The less you die, the better you can do your job. The more you kill, the easier you make your own job. The two go hand in hand. Until battles become something like 256v256 with three consecutive battles one after the other, all results interconnected, then and only MAYBE then will numbers start to matter. Try-hard clans won't be able to field the same numbers and still retain their killing superiority before they get burned out by the number of matches and opponents they face. IMO, Dust is the one game that has gotten closest to this scenario, where numbers CAN outfight skill. But still no go. Slayers are still the most valuable team asset any team can have. I will firmly, and respectfully, disagree withWinning by kills is only necessary in Ambush. In any game with a hackable item, you can be cloned to the extreme and still win. That's what I go for, the win. If its me and 15 starter corps versus 9 Red Star (which does happen in FW a lot) I push for those objectives because it is pretty difficult to beat a full squad of guys that can work together, let alone 9 guys. The occasions where I (and my squad of 3 at best) beat supergroups, its because we throw isk and KD out the window to hack like the wind, avoiding enemies. My KD is only 'good' because I've minimized my deaths (Rep Tanking my Gallente suits) and learned to play smarter. I use a plethora of weapons (6 at last check in the light weapon tree) the majority of the time. My KD pales in comparison to most players, and have shaky gungame usually (no AA since.. forever) but i can still win pretty often. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:28:00 - [65] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. For me my kdr is 1.02 and it has been like that for the past 5 months lol But I really dont care about that nor stats because its a video game, many players think that stats matter but in reality No, video games aren't sports and I think players should have fun, unless there is a group of *** heads who will do whatever it takes to get kills and win. I use cheap tactics that will make the enemy pissed off but for me I laugh. In the end COME AT ME BRO!!! If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2809	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:31:00 - [66] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. If it matters to you, watch your Weekly and Monthly KDR on the Leader Boards in the Social tab. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:33:00 - [67] - Quote depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:35:00 - [68] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: But I really dont care about that nor stats because its a video game, many players think that stats matter but in reality No, video games aren't sports and I think players should have fun, unless there is a group of **** heads who will do whatever it takes to get kills and win. I use cheap tactics that will make the enemy pissed off but for me I laugh. In the end COME AT ME BRO!!! Nice. I've started using remotes a lot - based on a youtube video I watched. Absolutely love em. Just the basic remotes. Running in close with a weedy rifle and blowing up a heavy who's got 20 kills already is all shades of immense. In fact, it's freckin beautiful. Doesn't exactly help the kdr however - and ups the tw8t kills self ratio considerably! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:37:00 - [69] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. Interesting point, I feel embarassed to squad with better players because I fear dragging them down. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:38:00 - [70] - Quote yes its important to me http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12353	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:41:00 - [71] - Quote I fly dropships like I'm rich. No, I don't think KDR is important in a niche game with no professional scene, especially in a game that makes it so simple to inflate that stat. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Denesian Morenti The Neutral Zone 10	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:42:00 - [72] - Quote Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:46:00 - [73] - Quote Denesian Morenti wrote: Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me. Good advice. I learned the importance of budgeting ISK fairly early and realised I couldn't just pimp up my suits to ridiculous levels without going bust. My ISK grows pretty slowly however. Restocking mostly costs less than the rewards I'm getting but sometimes I come out negative which narks.. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:47:00 - [74] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. Interesting point, I feel embarassed to squad with better players because I fear dragging them down. if they're being dragged down by anyone then they're not a good player. a good player can call on himself to not suck. too many "good" players in dust tho are looking for someone to carry them. it's like they never grew out of that phase. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 316	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:50:00 - [75] - Quote Meh. Not really. As a heavy and assault, I managed to get mine to 3.3 prior to the event, now it is down to 3.25. Honestly, KD doesn't mean a thing. It mostly depends on your play style and role. Some roles are meant to have high amounts of kills versus deaths, while others are more reliant on war points (e.g. logistics). KDR shouldn't dictate everything you do. Don't worry about it, and just have fun. That's the point of games after all. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1619	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:52:00 - [76] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked. I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. Maybe you just have more experience at FPS games than the average joe. Personally this is my first FPS (and I'm an older gamer) so my learning curve was very steep initially (and I'm still learning) and I know I have not reached my FPS prime yet. I started playing my first FPS in 1994 i suppose, if you could call the original Wolfeinstein 3D an FPS.. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 132	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:59:00 - [77] - Quote It only matters to me as a measure of my own progress, not as a ruler to compare e-peens. My lifetime KDR is .81 as I type this, and this is after working to bring it up from .22 in January. Right now, my K/D numbers are something like 3100+change/3800+change, so I still have a little ways to go, but am confident I'll reach 1 in a month or so. The reason that mine is like this is that I died vaingloriously numerous times when I was first starting out, achieving such enviable match ratios as 0/17 and 2/23, for example. I doubt I am the only one who took a while to overcome Dust's learning curve, a task akin to rookie ice climbing without equipment or proper atire. I think it's important to keep in mind that lifetime KDR isn't necessarily a testament to how skilled a player is presently, since, for example, increasing my KDR from .22 to .81 in 10 weeks means that my KDR over those 10 weeks was significantly higher, on average, than my lifetime KDR is atm. I really wish that we were provided a basic stats page with the following: Lifetime kills/deaths/kill assists Lifetime kills with each weapon/suit/vehicle Lifetime kills by each weapon/suit/vehicle Lifetime kills/deaths/KAs by corp Lifetime hacks (a separate line for each type, ie, tank, DS, NULL cannon, CRU, etc.) Lifetime equipment destroyed (separate lines for uplinks, hives, etc.) Etc., etc. It would be swell if they could also create a feature to look at any of these stats over a given period of time, either user-defined, or selectable from a drop-down menu (Today, Yesterday, Week-to-Date, Month-to-Date, 3 Months-to-Date). I mean, all this info is likely stored in a relational DB, it shouldn't be too time consuming to flesh out their API with some basic functions to handle this stuff. My other dropsuit is a Python.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:00:00 - [78] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: if they're being dragged down by anyone then they're not a good player. a good player can call on himself to not suck. too many "good" players in dust tho are looking for someone to carry them. it's like they never grew out of that phase. it's mostly snipers and assault slayers from my experience who are needy. like the sniper calling down orders from a mountaintop and cussing out everyone from a tower top for not capping objectives. and the "slayer" cussing everyone for not capping his objectives... There is no greater satisfaction in DUST than saving a squadmate - or plain blueberry. If he's on his last legs and you step in for the save then cover him till he heals... I've never got that same team vibe in any other game which is why I'm concerned about letting the team down. It's a very real prospect in this game - play badly and it can properly impair your team's performance. Play well and you end up knowing you were the difference. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Gotmy Tightpantson RB MUSICK 7	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:35:00 - [79] - Quote Im to nooberry to care i think. I suck in the k/d department. Ill get better as I go along but mainly worried about gaining skill points and making enough isk to cover my suits. The game is fun to me. Multiple deaths and all. THATS what matters. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1138	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:49:00 - [80] - Quote I don't think it really matters esp. in a game like this where you can pad your K/DR by redline sniping, tanking, running full proto in a full proto squad with proto hives and tank support, etc.

Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:53:00 - [81] - Quote I don't really think it matters since a lot of people just go around tanking or heavying or sniping or logi-ing. BUT for people like me (assault soldiers) I think it kind of matters because that's our only job. Killing people. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 327	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:25:00 - [82] - Quote JrI'm otters, most games come down to who does a better job of killing but it doesn't tell the whole story. When I play slayer I can usually stay positive, but I usually play support logi, AV or up link scout, so I die a lot. I'm only an average killer so I am better off stopping a few deaths for my team or helping them kill a few more than I am trying to do it myself, but I would also be more valuable if I could kill more and die less. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 327	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:27:00 - [83] - Quote The first words above are kdr matters. I could edit it but think spell correcting is funny and when my posts have weird words this is the reason. Because, that's why.
Dalmont Legrand 329	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:34:00 - [84] - Quote No. Kill 2 die 1, ratio 2 Kill 2 die 0, ratio 2 Kill 50 die 25, ratio 2 Kill 100 die 50, ratio 2 KDR ratio is useless, showing that you killed more then died doesn't mean you are a tactically improved team player. Duna is a noob killer in tank running only ambush, and as a strong team appears he vanishes faster then 13ear who does the same. He hunts noobs on a tank killing them and as things get tough he leaves or hides till the end of the match. KDR is useless, WP though can really show how good you are. I know logis that get 7k wp in a dom battle, their KDR? Almost always is below 1, they don't care. If a team has one of such logis, the victory is imminent, that is efficiency, not KDR ratio. Don't try to tell me that KDR is for assaults only. Whatever the class is, KDR is useless. The best is yet to come CPM1 Fabulous Candidate
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:36:00 - [85] - Quote As a support logi my KDR is horrible, my play style has me on the front line trying to help, unfortunately it gets me killed more often. I enjoy being in the thick of it, and have noticed some mercs will shy away when a match gets hairy (maybe worried about their KDR, ISK?), this does help those of us who stay and try. KDR can be a curse and should not be the main indicator on a mercs usefulness. I would rather have the merc who will give their all rather than the slayer who picks and chooses when they want to help the team because they are concerned about lowering their KDR.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 650	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:54:00 - [86] - Quote no its over rated in the old days when online was new yes it was cool .... then came the noobs who only cared about it and killed the fun in it . or should i say made a line on one side you have team skill the other side your a camping noob who,s team skill is lv - 999.9 or you have no life and all you do all day is life this game . bro you even Real life ? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 671	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:06:00 - [87] - Quote If you can run adv gear and make isk and stay around 2 kdr you are doing it right. If you can do that with standard gear you are doing it better. If you can do that in militia you are top tier. but the idea is to enjoy the game. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 638	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:13:00 - [88] - Quote I do like my kdr staying around 2 even though it doesn't matter but there is little else to track while being a point defense sentinel BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Denesian Morenti The Neutral Zone 11	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:27:00 - [89] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Denesian Morenti wrote: Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me. Good advice. I learned the importance of budgeting ISK fairly early and realised I couldn't just pimp up my suits to ridiculous levels without going bust. My ISK grows pretty slowly however. Restocking mostly costs less than the rewards I'm getting but sometimes I come out negative which narks.. Yeah, I usually use this as a rule of thumb. If I am playing solo or with a useless squad, then I run cheap. If I am in a good squad, then I bring out the goodies. Another thing, Upgrade your core skills all the way. That way you can run cheaper suits and still do tons on damage and survive. Even then, I don't run proto too much.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 49	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:30:00 - [90] - Quote Should be as long as you're in positive kdr im at 2 tho so im pretty happy

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3088	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:32:00 - [91] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I do like my kdr staying around 2 even though it doesn't matter but there is little else to track while being a point defense sentinel You can track the love you get from your corp mates.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4004	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:36:00 - [92] - Quote No. A true soldier shows stoicism on the battlefield. Commando sees scout loses his mind
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 179	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:38:00 - [93] - Quote My kill ratio is horrible, never been above .5... ever. But what do I care, I'm a logistic. On a good day I'm pulling 1,000 WP, a bad day 700 WP and at my best I've gotten 4,000. It feels indescribably good seeing my name at the top of the list with 1/11 and 1200 WP. Means I did my job while flicking off the people that cut me down. This is what being a logistic is, that person that gets the other person up, heals them and watches them get sweet revenge when I'm invariably dropped for doing the afore.
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 112	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:59:00 - [94] - Quote I personally don't put a lot of stock in KDR, but I know some people do. However, rather than removing it, I think it would be more useful to add more metrics. Some of my ideas include Warpoints per death Warpoints per minute Warpoints per match average ISK efficieny (ISK destroyed vs. ISK lost) Profit per match (ISK gained vs. ISK lost) Calculated Risk Factor/ Merc Effeciency ratio (Combination of all the above statistics weighted) The idea here is that EVE revolves around corporations and business who are looking to make the most profit for the least amount of investment and risk. By modifying current risk/reward calculations it should be possible to create a composite statistic that best reflects the Mercs ability to be an asset rather than a liability. Corporations ideally want a Merc who kills more than he dies, destroys more enemy gear than he loses, accomplishes a lot of objectives between deaths, does so rapidly, and consistently is a top contributor to mission objectives. Only governments don't care about efficiency.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 826	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:07:00 - [95] - Quote Not to me, either. While I would like to break even, my KDR is merely me getting killed and killing a lot. I'm an Assault, a Hunter-Killer, but my KDR is only .82 (Went down .05 during the event.) I'm proud of my KDR, because .82 and rising using BPO's and STD gear is AMAZING!!! I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 901	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:09:00 - [96] - Quote No. ISK efficiency matters to me. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2228	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:19:00 - [97] - Quote The thing I've noticed about attitudes towards KD is this. If you have a good one, you care. If you have a bad one, you don't. Now, I'm not going to read into that at all, but there it is. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1014	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:28:00 - [98] - Quote On my main who has been primarily support logi/whatever Dren fit I feel like screwing around with, my KDR means very little to me. I'm proud I've kept it near 1. On my alt Tara on which I run Minmatar assault and Gallente scout my KDR means a little to me and I've got it from like .4 when I first started the character now to 1.47 and slowly going up. Mostly I look at how many kills over even I am because I don't play enough nor am I good enough for my KDR to change quickly anymore. I think if you are using it as a personal metric you are doing it right. There are too many factors that go into your KDR that are beyond your control to make it a truly valuable statistic. Such as: who else is on your team, how often/what times do you play (I find I have a higher KDR during US day time than US prime time or late night), and what you run. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 825	Posted - 2014.03.20 20:33:00 - [99] - Quote The only thing that matter to me is my level of fun and enjoyment. I could care less about stats.
Deltahawk Durango Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 160	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:54:00 - [100] - Quote there is way too many peeps here who care way too much about their kdr... they hang out on roofs above objectives but never jump down to hack it... always hanging around cru's and uplinks waiting for easy kills... and you will NEVER see them run AV but guess who's crying about tanks on the forum??? I don't believe in an eye for an eye... I believe in two eyes for an eye!

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1988	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:58:00 - [101] - Quote No. The only thing that matters in New Eden: Revenue/Expenditures. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 383	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:06:00 - [102] - Quote Not one bit.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 970	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:07:00 - [103] - Quote KDR doesn't matter Being ISK positive matters "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2447	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:08:00 - [104] - Quote I don't. I mean, I'd like to keep mine around one (currently 0.9) but I'm more interested in winning and turning a profit. 2 reasons for this: 1) Depends on what you do. If you play pure assault, tanks, or sentinel, it should matter because it's a good metric for what you do. For logistics and scouts, it's not. 2) With the lolmatchmaking and FW issues (Amarr/Caldari FW does not help your KDR) and broken economy, among other things, skill is not the only determinant of KDR. The tryhards who quit games because they are on a losing team are a great example. I understand why they do it, and am not necessarily condemning them for it, but if they actually stuck around and fought/hacked objectives every game, regardless of how sh!tty their blueberries were, their KDR would suffer. It would still be better than mine, but not as good as it is. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Bojo The Fantastic Bojo's Grand Bazaar 51	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:14:00 - [105] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited. Hire on my expertise and in 1 week's time you will be whistling a different tune. A Fantastic tune. Gambling // Entrepreneur // Trade // LAV Racing // Bojo's Personal Accountant
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 28	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:14:00 - [106] - Quote For me the magical number is 1. If I get a KDR of around 1, I am pretty satisfied. A few kills or deaths more or less, its fine. But I can get very frustrated if I am going below .5. Its totally irrational, because it says nothing about how well I am performing my role, and if my team is going to win or not, or if I am making profit this match, but I know that it matters to me nontheless. But if my KDR is 1.5 or 200, I really dont care.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 51	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:23:00 - [107] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. You will see bumps in your build at 9, 12, 18 and finally 24 if you're an infantry. Those seem to be the stepping stones, and at 24 its just a matter of hitting optimal build and just subbing in weapons and drop suits for the specific type of battle you're in.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2064	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:25:00 - [108] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: In a [maximum players] 16v16 scenario, then the guys with massive KDRs will win just about every time. Those who say that KDR doesn't matter are disillusioned and haven't seen the light yet. KDR is an indication of how good you are at staying alive, while still killing. The less you die, the better you can do your job. The more you kill, the easier you make your own job. The two go hand in hand. Until battles become something like 256v256 with three consecutive battles one after the other, all results interconnected, then and only MAYBE then will numbers start to matter. Try-hard clans won't be able to field the same numbers and still retain their killing superiority before they get burned out by the number of matches and opponents they face. IMO, Dust is the one game that has gotten closest to this scenario, where numbers CAN outfight skill. But still no go. Slayers are still the most valuable team asset any team can have. I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: Been playing for almost a year now and I have less than 4k kills and just over 5k deaths with a KDR of 0.65 and a win loss of around 1.5 (RR/CR/vehicles have dropped my w/l by about 0.6). Some games I don't even pull out a weapon and that doesn't make me a bad player. Staying alive and killing do go hand in hand but that doesn't always reflect the worth of the player while in a battle. I could lead a squad in every battle like in chrome and have a KDR of 2+ but I don't really want to. I could jump in a HAV and just ride around to pad my KDR but it isn't fun or just redline snipe and only make two kills with zero deaths but I'm not a coward or risk adverse. KDR doesn't really prove anything if the underlying stats that gave you that KDR aren't listed. I like to be in the middle of fights keeping a fat kid healed up and letting them kill for me, I am a support player and I am often one of the first to get dropped because I am pumping 100+HP/s into my fatty's armor pool. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Rusty Shallows 1175	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:27:00 - [109] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome. Wait what? I played mostly skirmish... A bug for awhile only recorded kill/deaths for Ambush. For some of us it really skewed our stats. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
BigStuarty Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:28:00 - [110] - Quote don't worry mate I have over 30 million sp I am now at 0.76 KDR, However a worth is measured in warpoints helping the team kill assists , decent spawns and effective nanos etc the dirty support logi I am. My problem is I cannot resist a tank and nowadays its the holy grail but threyre there and my corpmates know at least Im keeping it busy they can do theyre stuff, Im ranked in the top 300 warpoints so am I a crap player with 0.76 KDR ... a matter of perpective ....at the end of the day its who wins the battle,,, I can moan and groan about fotm glitchers and mouse keyboarders but itheyre there and me playing fairly and decently will make me a better player....in perpective I have been killed many times by the the best dust players but when you get them ....enjoy the feeling mate ... coz u will ... wait to you get the Russian kill mails and keep them with pride

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 532	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:37:00 - [111] - Quote no i just enjoy always being isk possitive module poll stuff for alts
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1104	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:39:00 - [112] - Quote Does KDR matter to me personally? Nope. One of the many reasons it does not matter to me is this - If I want to make more isk, I run blueprint or starter suits so I die more. When I use proto suits it is very easy to get a high KDR (Generally). Another reason is that the games are not balanced and neither is gear so how can KDR ever matter? Maybe KDR in PC battles now that is measure of "skill" but for normal battles I find it pretty useless. Investigate 9/11
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8517	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:41:00 - [113] - Quote A little bit. Yeah 2.5 isnt all that great...but its the best I've ever done in an FPS. It also lets me judge how efficient I was being and reflect on stupid moves. At the same time no. Winning in FW is all that matters, doesn't matter how many times I dies to achieve victory, as long as our team has triumphed I am content. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4678	Posted - 2014.03.20 22:46:00 - [114] - Quote Kdr does matter to me.. To an extent. Kdr tells you how often you kill per life which , for people like me that like to play a slayer role, is helpful. It really depends on what your using. If im using OP **, I don't care about my KDR because I earned everything cheaply. If I'm using some gear that takes skill and I get a high kdr, I'm happy about it. I'm proud. If I'm in PC and I get a high kdr (which is anything above a 2) I'm proud. But of course the win is what matters. Basically it comes down to how you earn that kdr, that affects your view of it. My kdr was earned all while playing infantry. Most of while playing scout. So I'm proud of my kdr. Tbh anything above a 2.5 lifetime kdr Is good in my eyes. Unless they are a tanker or a sniper. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5** \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 775	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:25:00 - [115] - Quote Mine hovers around 1.25. Some matches I am on so to speak and can take all comers, then the next match I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I do have a 165/1 WP/D ratio though, so I got that going for me. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1448	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:53:00 - [116] - Quote rpastry wrote: there are some really **** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. original main specc logi av right here and i idle around a measly 3.5 (has gone up slightly from lr assault and blaster tanking) not that i care or that it matters ccp how about total isk destroyed thats what i wanna see how much money did i personally cost the enemy. A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3603	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:14:00 - [117] - Quote Allow the stat only to be your motivation to improve your game. Other than that, there are plenty of players who don't have the best KDR but are a problem on the battlefield. It's what you do and some respectable mercs definitely understand this. If you were to try to get into an elite corporation, then yeah it would matter. But don't let your KDR be the monkey on your back. My KDR was terrible too back in the day. I made it an effort to improve it and by doing that, I had to learn smart play and tactics-all that good stuff that makes a good mercenary, a good mercenary. It's just a personal endeavor for me. If you want to improve it, learn what makes you effective on the battlefield. Keep your deaths as low as possible. That means when you're getting hit, get into cover! There's no shame in retreating and killing the merc later. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 39	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:13:00 - [118] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: My KDR was terrible too back in the day. I made it an effort to improve it and by doing that, I had to learn smart play and tactics-all that good stuff that makes a good mercenary, a good mercenary. It's just a personal endeavor for me. If you want to improve it, learn what makes you effective on the battlefield. Keep your deaths as low as possible. That means when you're getting hit, get into cover! There's no shame in retreating and killing the merc later. This was a lesson it took me a while to learn. I'm not an FPS maniac but I've always liked them. Rushing into battle all guns blazing often worked out for me. In DUST - not so much. Now I take pride in doing some damage - backing off - finding the guy before he restores himself - and finishing him off. That is always a great satisfaction. It's actually the first shooter where these kind of tactics really work and seem to matter - I don't know if it's an illusion but I think the coming update 1.8 and it's nerfing bonanza will actually improve this sort of play style. I've skilled into the weapons which seem to be getting hit hardest - but I'm feeling positive about sticking with them because my game skills have been improved by the game itself - if that makes sense. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 489	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:38:00 - [119] - Quote It'll matter to me as long as it's tracked and is public info. Sucks the fun out if the game when I'm trying to keep a 10.0 or 20.0 Anything more than 2 or 3 deaths is unacceptable. I say get rid of kdr and make it isk won/isk spent Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2455	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:17:00 - [120] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: rpastry wrote: there are some really ** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. original main specc logi av right here and i idle around a measly 3.5 (has gone up slightly from lr assault and blaster tanking) not that i care or that it matters ccp how about total isk destroyed thats what i wanna see how much money did i personally cost the enemy. That would be cool, I would like to see that stat. What would be even more awesome is the ISK lost/destroyed, I would love to see what a year of taking on wannabe pubstars in their proto gear with BPOs has cost them compared to me! Being a logI I don't get that many kills but the ratio is probably pretty nice. Proto scrub tears in a table... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:33:00 - [121] - Quote No but mines better than a lot of players who do lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2874	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:35:00 - [122] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Foo Fighting wrote: CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome. Wait what? I played mostly skirmish... A bug for awhile only recorded kill/deaths for Ambush. For some of us it really skewed our stats. I played skirmish all through that so I am missing about 2.0 on my 3.76 kd, about 10k kills and around 2 mil wp. I really don't care or I'd have farmed ambush though, just saying. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I'll behave
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 190	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:41:00 - [123] - Quote I'm a Logi, so no. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro
Crow Splat DUST University Ivy League 152	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:48:00 - [124] - Quote I use my own kd as a metric for how well I am personally doing, but I don't even look at other people's more than a quick glance. There are just too many ways for your kd to go to the toilet while you still perform at a high level. I think a more useful stat for player effectiveness and experience would be wp per match or wp/sp ratio. Those metrics have their own issues but at least you can get some kind of metric of a player's ability to contribute to the team.


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