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al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:00:00 - [1] - Quote Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2218	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:04:00 - [2] - Quote Yes. It's a reasonable tracker of my effectiveness and improvement. Is mine valid comparison to others? No. Mine was jacked up a lot by being a competent tanker; now that I'm running infantry my K/D is slowly falling. Should stabilise soon, though, I think. Matches in which I run tanks actually don't contribute all that much to my K/D; I spend most of my time AVin rather Han trying to kill infantry. (I have 36M SP) ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1323	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [3] - Quote I have a kind-of an objective to get a KDR of 2, currently at 1.89 and slowly climbing. But other than that, I don't really pay attention to KDR, and I pay more attention to me continuing to stay ISK positive and generally winning matches. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Mar. 18th
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 262	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [4] - Quote Haha me to man. Hitting a positive KDR made me feel like i beat Dust.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1071	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:06:00 - [5] - Quote Over all, no. On a game to game basis, yes. Pretty happy as long as I stay risk positive and above a 2.0 kdr. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 233	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:07:00 - [6] - Quote Just spam tanks everyone else is dunaing it if not join-in-my-stomp. But seriously ur kdr looks like u play this game honestly with that id be proud. Hit me with your nerf bat.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1974	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:08:00 - [7] - Quote K/D doesn't mean **** if you're poor in the end. (No, K/D ratio does not matter to me. I don't need something so silly in order to crutch self-confidence.) "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 230	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:11:00 - [8] - Quote Problem here is the different stats of all the suits... I think in this game there should be a much more New Eden related stat, the Kills per Isk invested ratio. So if you kill a decent amount of suits with militia gear, you are better than a proto scrub who kills the same amount of opponents...!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2638	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:14:00 - [9] - Quote Sadly KD means jack at the competive level as one game you my kill loads of people and the next you die 20 times to tie up a few players allowing your team to capture another objective. The score screen should be replaced with total isk destoryed "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:15:00 - [10] - Quote I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: I play for fun and my KDR (0.65) doesn't matter to me at all. I am usually at least sixth in a line up of 32 on the WP screen and I use all advanced gear. KDR doesn't always reflect the worth of a player. My win/loss was close to 2.0 and I make ISK no problem. Point is that you should play the way you like and enjoy, don't let some number make you feel like you are bad, except for maybe your wallet. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Foo Fighting Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 63	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:17:00 - [11] - Quote CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 273	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:18:00 - [12] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&nsniping tain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. You can do it! I've worked hard for my Kdr in battle that you are trying to win Kdr won't matter just that pride of winning that battle is what matters. But overall Kdr does matter through out your career and Self assurance. At a point I was at 2.80 ever since uprising its come down to 2.59. Also no tanks murder taxi sniping or anything just all honest run n gun infantry I've worked for it. We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:20:00 - [13] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: I play for fun and my KDR (0.65) doesn't matter to me at all. I am usually at least sixth in a line up of 32 on the WP screen and I use all advanced gear. KDR doesn't always reflect the worth of a player. My win/loss was close to 2.0 and I make ISK no problem. Point is that you should play the way you like and enjoy, don't let some number make you feel like you are bad, except for maybe your wallet. Problem is that the top corporations look on your KDR first and your other qualities second. They prefer to have a slayer with good logi abilities to a player with top logi abilities and only good slaying... This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile...
Avery Blue Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:21:00 - [14] - Quote The Kill / Death Ratio is merely a statistic. Your 'skill' in a shooter like Dust 514 derives from some basic elements like map, dropsuit, skill understanding and most importantly reflexes. If you are taking your KDR as a measurement of skill then you are forgetting that KDR is a statistic and not a proof of your skill in itself, but basically something that says "Yes, you are doing good." or "No, you are doing poorly." For example, if you introduce a new dropsuit and it doesn't work out for you then your KDR will go lower, and that means "You're doing worse with this dropsuit" but it doesn't imply lack of skill, it only implies a change of performance which in turn it means that KDR is a statistic for perfomance and not reassurance of skill per s+¿. Bottom line, if you are playing Dust 514, or any shooter then you should keep in mind that KDR isn't a number that showcases skill, but a statistic that tells you whether or not you perform great or poorly. Also for those that bring EVE in comparison one way or another, keep in mind that they are two distinct and greatly different game genres with their own distinct audience. The connection between EVE and Dust 514 likely brings a number of people from one game to the other, but hardly I expect someone who picked up Dust 514 and is a fan of shooters to pick up EVE and vice-versa. So, what do you think it of the current shooter landscape where such a statistic regarding performance suddenly becomes implication of skill when it's clearly not?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1781	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:23:00 - [15] - Quote to be honest, it does to a point. i remember how accomplished i felt when i finally got my KDR to a 1, because it meant that i was getting better at the game. right now, mt KDR is nearing a 2.30, all from scouting. that's why my KDR matters to me now. i don't pad it, i don't run the most OP fits to achieve it. i got it with honest hard work the entire time. Anime > EVERYTHING
Dan Blackfield Algintal Core Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:25:00 - [16] - Quote At 4.5 m Sp I have KDR of 0.47 and slowly climbing. I play as an assault in an assault dropsuit and will continue to do so after 1.8 hits. To me it doesnt matter at all, many deaths is my own fault for spraying praying and running into enemies.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2055	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:27:00 - [17] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile... I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: Yes, PC is broken because of that. Every role should be needed to win and that is why I don't do PC. When real #logilove is needed in PC I will participate more. I stopped doing PC about three days after it was released because of this exact reason. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 271	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:35:00 - [18] - Quote Eve has isk killed/lost ratio. If it was a straight kd\r, I know a number of good players that would be labeled "bad" GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:36:00 - [19] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: This is partially due to the PC mechanics, which are broken anyway, but that's it. Right now, you will only win with top slayers/vehicle experts. Anything else is futile... I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following: Yes, PC is broken because of that. Every role should be needed to win and that is why I don't do PC. When real #logilove is needed in PC I will participate more. I stopped doing PC about three days after it was released because of this exact reason. Not quite, I think CCP tries their best, but they stumble over their own feet and have a lack of personnell. I don't care to much about PC anymore, since I'm not a good slayer, and don't want to be the reason to loose a district, so I moved to my own corp and squad with my friends I found in other corps. PC is dominated by the ELDER players (vets) and some new shots (with more than 25mil SP), who have skills or equipment that gives them the means to dominate. This might change when the eve connection is becoming more important in PC 2.0. Anyway, I'm actually not looking forward to that, if it doesn't give us new game modes. If they implement that with the same crappy skirmish as we have now, it will still be about clone counts and KDR as it is now.
rpastry The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 137	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:37:00 - [20] - Quote there are some really **** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 762	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:39:00 - [21] - Quote Ehhh, I pull decent enough numbers in matches to know that I am not terrible. My KDR doesn't mean too much to me. Obviously it being a bigger number is better but only because "I worked to get it up there." And, because it is so close to another whole number, it actually means more to me now then it did before. Once it is into that whole number, I will probably only care if it drops. But it will only be probably as much as I care about flushing an impressive turd; you want to keep it there to show off but in the end it is just poo. I think there is too much emphasis on it, going both ways. The number of people that bang the "KDR DOESN'T MATTER!" drum is on par with the other people banging the "KDR IS GOD!" drum. There are a lot of people that care about their e-peen and there are a lot of people that hate the other guy's e-peen. shrug
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 231	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:41:00 - [22] - Quote rpastry wrote: there are some really **** players out there with a massive kdr (snipers and tankers), and some excellent ones with a poor kdr (eg medics, AV specialists). I did feel good when mine hit 1, it took a while. Yepp, I probably will never hit 1, since I have a very head on into the middle of things playstyle... but that's just more fun, and I think I have lead a lot of point takeovers, where I wasted 3 or more suits in a minute... but it was fun.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 684	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:42:00 - [23] - Quote Couldn't care less about my kdr. What is important is enjoying my time playing the game, getting better at my tactics and staying reasonably ISK positive. Majority of my time in New Eden has been as a logi, and now as a scout so yeah... Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2213	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:42:00 - [24] - Quote It's personal preference, if it means something to you, then that is all that matters. I personally am more concerned about my WP/p death ratio and WP/p match ratio. If I'm not getting enough WP, then I'm not doing my best to help my team. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 201	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:53:00 - [25] - Quote Technically kd doesn't matter, admittedly I keep an eye on mine just to see where it balances out (was a bit bloated from sniping a few builds back) that being said I never quit battles or MCC camp if we're losing since it doesn't have any in game application, it's just another useless stat we're given. Something that would be FAR more helpful would be say WP/D or /game. I know there's a bunch of dedicated logi out there with complete shite k/d's but crazy high WP/game, if you checked the only stat we have access to it would say they're ****** players which is obviously not the case. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote axis alpha wrote: You can do it! I've worked hard for my Kdr in battle that you are trying to win Kdr won't matter just that pride of winning that battle is what matters. But overall Kdr does matter through out your career and Self assurance. At a point I was at 2.80 ever since uprising its come down to 2.59. Also no tanks murder taxi sniping or anything just all honest run n gun infantry I've worked for it. To hit that number you have truly worked for it. I agree that winning the battle is all important. If I feel like I was useful to my team after the match then that's the greatest satisfaction. Dying 10 times but doing it in the process of hacking a crucial system makes KDR a mere distraction... I saw a youtube video where the guy recommended mucking about with remotes. I cooked up a cheap dropsuit and did just that. Fantastic fun ensued but the old KDR went plunging down again.. It's always there to remind you that you ain't all that! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 232	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:22:00 - [27] - Quote My brob with some of the KDR whores is the fact that even with their good to awesome skills they often retreat when the going gets tough or find excuses why they have to go from the thickest place to some outside node, where they won't die that often. That's good for their KDR, but might be bad for the team, it feels like desertion sometimes...
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:26:00 - [28] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: My brob with some of the KDR whores is the fact that even with their good to awesome skills they often retreat when the going gets tough or find excuses why they have to go from the thickest place to some outside node, where they won't die that often. That's good for their KDR, but might be bad for the team, it feels like desertion sometimes... Great point - Whenever I get in a flap about my hideous KDR I'm pretty sure I start playing like a coward.. Hanging back.. Rail Rifle.. A whole lot of running away on the first few hits.. The mindset changes - but I'm not sure if the fun factor rises or falls. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 887	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:29:00 - [29] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: CCP don't care - they owe many people kills from skirmish in chromosome. Wait what? I played mostly skirmish... Assault rifle has nothing on me
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 425	Posted - 2014.03.20 12:35:00 - [30] - Quote Scout so I don't care about it. PC is as some have stated a bunch of crap. Just a mirror of skirm when it should be so Mutch Mutch more. War never changes



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