DUST Search - Does KDR matter to you?

Duke Noobiam wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

al nize mk2 wrote:

Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited..

If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever.

I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand.

But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1.

I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked.

I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime.

Maybe you just have more experience at FPS games than the average joe.

Personally this is my first FPS (and I'm an older gamer) so my learning curve was very steep initially (and I'm still learning) and I know I have not reached my FPS prime yet.

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Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1674	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:00:00 - [61] - Quote They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1197	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:03:00 - [62] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Love the idea
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1674	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:05:00 - [63] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should matchmake by KDR/WPDR. That way, all the "really good" killers would always face each other, and we'd finally get to see who was the best. I'm sure that's what the KDR crowd wants, anyway. Love the idea Mainly because it's awesome. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 596	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:23:00 - [64] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: In a [maximum players] 16v16 scenario, then the guys with massive KDRs will win just about every time. Those who say that KDR doesn't matter are disillusioned and haven't seen the light yet. KDR is an indication of how good you are at staying alive, while still killing. The less you die, the better you can do your job. The more you kill, the easier you make your own job. The two go hand in hand. Until battles become something like 256v256 with three consecutive battles one after the other, all results interconnected, then and only MAYBE then will numbers start to matter. Try-hard clans won't be able to field the same numbers and still retain their killing superiority before they get burned out by the number of matches and opponents they face. IMO, Dust is the one game that has gotten closest to this scenario, where numbers CAN outfight skill. But still no go. Slayers are still the most valuable team asset any team can have. I will firmly, and respectfully, disagree withWinning by kills is only necessary in Ambush. In any game with a hackable item, you can be cloned to the extreme and still win. That's what I go for, the win. If its me and 15 starter corps versus 9 Red Star (which does happen in FW a lot) I push for those objectives because it is pretty difficult to beat a full squad of guys that can work together, let alone 9 guys. The occasions where I (and my squad of 3 at best) beat supergroups, its because we throw isk and KD out the window to hack like the wind, avoiding enemies. My KD is only 'good' because I've minimized my deaths (Rep Tanking my Gallente suits) and learned to play smarter. I use a plethora of weapons (6 at last check in the light weapon tree) the majority of the time. My KD pales in comparison to most players, and have shaky gungame usually (no AA since.. forever) but i can still win pretty often. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:28:00 - [65] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. For me my kdr is 1.02 and it has been like that for the past 5 months lol But I really dont care about that nor stats because its a video game, many players think that stats matter but in reality No, video games aren't sports and I think players should have fun, unless there is a group of *** heads who will do whatever it takes to get kills and win. I use cheap tactics that will make the enemy pissed off but for me I laugh. In the end COME AT ME BRO!!! If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2809	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:31:00 - [66] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. If it matters to you, watch your Weekly and Monthly KDR on the Leader Boards in the Social tab. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:33:00 - [67] - Quote depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:35:00 - [68] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: But I really dont care about that nor stats because its a video game, many players think that stats matter but in reality No, video games aren't sports and I think players should have fun, unless there is a group of **** heads who will do whatever it takes to get kills and win. I use cheap tactics that will make the enemy pissed off but for me I laugh. In the end COME AT ME BRO!!! Nice. I've started using remotes a lot - based on a youtube video I watched. Absolutely love em. Just the basic remotes. Running in close with a weedy rifle and blowing up a heavy who's got 20 kills already is all shades of immense. In fact, it's freckin beautiful. Doesn't exactly help the kdr however - and ups the tw8t kills self ratio considerably! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:37:00 - [69] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. Interesting point, I feel embarassed to squad with better players because I fear dragging them down. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:38:00 - [70] - Quote yes its important to me http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12353	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:41:00 - [71] - Quote I fly dropships like I'm rich. No, I don't think KDR is important in a niche game with no professional scene, especially in a game that makes it so simple to inflate that stat. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Denesian Morenti The Neutral Zone 10	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:42:00 - [72] - Quote Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:46:00 - [73] - Quote Denesian Morenti wrote: Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me. Good advice. I learned the importance of budgeting ISK fairly early and realised I couldn't just pimp up my suits to ridiculous levels without going bust. My ISK grows pretty slowly however. Restocking mostly costs less than the rewards I'm getting but sometimes I come out negative which narks.. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:47:00 - [74] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: depends on which character i'm on. i have alts that i dont care about KDR. i prefer to squad with ppl with decent KDRs because in my experience the people with bad KDRs scream and yell the whole match and then expect someone to carry them. Interesting point, I feel embarassed to squad with better players because I fear dragging them down. if they're being dragged down by anyone then they're not a good player. a good player can call on himself to not suck. too many "good" players in dust tho are looking for someone to carry them. it's like they never grew out of that phase. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 316	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:50:00 - [75] - Quote Meh. Not really. As a heavy and assault, I managed to get mine to 3.3 prior to the event, now it is down to 3.25. Honestly, KD doesn't mean a thing. It mostly depends on your play style and role. Some roles are meant to have high amounts of kills versus deaths, while others are more reliant on war points (e.g. logistics). KDR shouldn't dictate everything you do. Don't worry about it, and just have fun. That's the point of games after all. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1619	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:52:00 - [76] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: Passing 10m SP I feel like I should be faintly fantastic by now - but still I'm real limited.. If I really focus and play tactics I can make up to 15 kills and die about half the number of times. If I'm slightly off - I am well capable of disgracing myself worse than ever. I've got an absolute f&&*&n mountain to climb just to make my KDR 1! I know most of you say who gives a cr^p about KDR and I completely understand. But the stat is there - staring me in the face in all of it's embarassing glory. 0.75. Genuinely I'm thinking of throwing a party when I hit KDR 1. I don't care about my KDR, ive never used vehicles, ive solod 99.9% of my matches and ive never specced into a FOTM and i dont really use Tactics and its still sitting at 5.75 ish last time i checked. I have no idea how people can run a 1.0 KDR or below, i really don't....and i am way passed my FPS prime. Maybe you just have more experience at FPS games than the average joe. Personally this is my first FPS (and I'm an older gamer) so my learning curve was very steep initially (and I'm still learning) and I know I have not reached my FPS prime yet. I started playing my first FPS in 1994 i suppose, if you could call the original Wolfeinstein 3D an FPS.. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 132	Posted - 2014.03.20 15:59:00 - [77] - Quote It only matters to me as a measure of my own progress, not as a ruler to compare e-peens. My lifetime KDR is .81 as I type this, and this is after working to bring it up from .22 in January. Right now, my K/D numbers are something like 3100+change/3800+change, so I still have a little ways to go, but am confident I'll reach 1 in a month or so. The reason that mine is like this is that I died vaingloriously numerous times when I was first starting out, achieving such enviable match ratios as 0/17 and 2/23, for example. I doubt I am the only one who took a while to overcome Dust's learning curve, a task akin to rookie ice climbing without equipment or proper atire. I think it's important to keep in mind that lifetime KDR isn't necessarily a testament to how skilled a player is presently, since, for example, increasing my KDR from .22 to .81 in 10 weeks means that my KDR over those 10 weeks was significantly higher, on average, than my lifetime KDR is atm. I really wish that we were provided a basic stats page with the following: Lifetime kills/deaths/kill assists Lifetime kills with each weapon/suit/vehicle Lifetime kills by each weapon/suit/vehicle Lifetime kills/deaths/KAs by corp Lifetime hacks (a separate line for each type, ie, tank, DS, NULL cannon, CRU, etc.) Lifetime equipment destroyed (separate lines for uplinks, hives, etc.) Etc., etc. It would be swell if they could also create a feature to look at any of these stats over a given period of time, either user-defined, or selectable from a drop-down menu (Today, Yesterday, Week-to-Date, Month-to-Date, 3 Months-to-Date). I mean, all this info is likely stored in a relational DB, it shouldn't be too time consuming to flesh out their API with some basic functions to handle this stuff. My other dropsuit is a Python.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:00:00 - [78] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: if they're being dragged down by anyone then they're not a good player. a good player can call on himself to not suck. too many "good" players in dust tho are looking for someone to carry them. it's like they never grew out of that phase. it's mostly snipers and assault slayers from my experience who are needy. like the sniper calling down orders from a mountaintop and cussing out everyone from a tower top for not capping objectives. and the "slayer" cussing everyone for not capping his objectives... There is no greater satisfaction in DUST than saving a squadmate - or plain blueberry. If he's on his last legs and you step in for the save then cover him till he heals... I've never got that same team vibe in any other game which is why I'm concerned about letting the team down. It's a very real prospect in this game - play badly and it can properly impair your team's performance. Play well and you end up knowing you were the difference. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Gotmy Tightpantson RB MUSICK 7	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:35:00 - [79] - Quote Im to nooberry to care i think. I suck in the k/d department. Ill get better as I go along but mainly worried about gaining skill points and making enough isk to cover my suits. The game is fun to me. Multiple deaths and all. THATS what matters. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1138	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:49:00 - [80] - Quote I don't think it really matters esp. in a game like this where you can pad your K/DR by redline sniping, tanking, running full proto in a full proto squad with proto hives and tank support, etc.

Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.03.20 16:53:00 - [81] - Quote I don't really think it matters since a lot of people just go around tanking or heavying or sniping or logi-ing. BUT for people like me (assault soldiers) I think it kind of matters because that's our only job. Killing people. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 327	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:25:00 - [82] - Quote JrI'm otters, most games come down to who does a better job of killing but it doesn't tell the whole story. When I play slayer I can usually stay positive, but I usually play support logi, AV or up link scout, so I die a lot. I'm only an average killer so I am better off stopping a few deaths for my team or helping them kill a few more than I am trying to do it myself, but I would also be more valuable if I could kill more and die less. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 327	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:27:00 - [83] - Quote The first words above are kdr matters. I could edit it but think spell correcting is funny and when my posts have weird words this is the reason. Because, that's why.
Dalmont Legrand 329	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:34:00 - [84] - Quote No. Kill 2 die 1, ratio 2 Kill 2 die 0, ratio 2 Kill 50 die 25, ratio 2 Kill 100 die 50, ratio 2 KDR ratio is useless, showing that you killed more then died doesn't mean you are a tactically improved team player. Duna is a noob killer in tank running only ambush, and as a strong team appears he vanishes faster then 13ear who does the same. He hunts noobs on a tank killing them and as things get tough he leaves or hides till the end of the match. KDR is useless, WP though can really show how good you are. I know logis that get 7k wp in a dom battle, their KDR? Almost always is below 1, they don't care. If a team has one of such logis, the victory is imminent, that is efficiency, not KDR ratio. Don't try to tell me that KDR is for assaults only. Whatever the class is, KDR is useless. The best is yet to come CPM1 Fabulous Candidate
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:36:00 - [85] - Quote As a support logi my KDR is horrible, my play style has me on the front line trying to help, unfortunately it gets me killed more often. I enjoy being in the thick of it, and have noticed some mercs will shy away when a match gets hairy (maybe worried about their KDR, ISK?), this does help those of us who stay and try. KDR can be a curse and should not be the main indicator on a mercs usefulness. I would rather have the merc who will give their all rather than the slayer who picks and chooses when they want to help the team because they are concerned about lowering their KDR.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 650	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:54:00 - [86] - Quote no its over rated in the old days when online was new yes it was cool .... then came the noobs who only cared about it and killed the fun in it . or should i say made a line on one side you have team skill the other side your a camping noob who,s team skill is lv - 999.9 or you have no life and all you do all day is life this game . bro you even Real life ? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 671	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:06:00 - [87] - Quote If you can run adv gear and make isk and stay around 2 kdr you are doing it right. If you can do that with standard gear you are doing it better. If you can do that in militia you are top tier. but the idea is to enjoy the game. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 638	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:13:00 - [88] - Quote I do like my kdr staying around 2 even though it doesn't matter but there is little else to track while being a point defense sentinel BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Denesian Morenti The Neutral Zone 11	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:27:00 - [89] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Denesian Morenti wrote: Focus on staying ISK positive. I have 25 million in the bank, so I must be doing something right. KDR meaning nothing to me. Good advice. I learned the importance of budgeting ISK fairly early and realised I couldn't just pimp up my suits to ridiculous levels without going bust. My ISK grows pretty slowly however. Restocking mostly costs less than the rewards I'm getting but sometimes I come out negative which narks.. Yeah, I usually use this as a rule of thumb. If I am playing solo or with a useless squad, then I run cheap. If I am in a good squad, then I bring out the goodies. Another thing, Upgrade your core skills all the way. That way you can run cheaper suits and still do tons on damage and survive. Even then, I don't run proto too much.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 49	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:30:00 - [90] - Quote Should be as long as you're in positive kdr im at 2 tho so im pretty happy



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