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Musta Tornius
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1172
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:28:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf.
I just done a mouse click test, hit 6 times a second both times. So that would be a ROF of 360.
DUST514 Weapon Range & Information
Team Fairy DUST
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SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
45
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:31:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. I just done a mouse click test, hit 6 times a second both times. So that would be a ROF of 360.
did you do it in game against a moving target?
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages.
Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you.
Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
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Musta Tornius
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1173
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:32:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. I just done a mouse click test, hit 6 times a second both times. So that would be a ROF of 360. did you do it in game against a moving target?
No I done it on a online testing page, your original text said that we can't hit 300 RPM even without a modded controller which clearly isn't true :)
DUST514 Weapon Range & Information
Team Fairy DUST
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SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
45
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:34:00 -
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lol cause i was talking about a random test page on the internet
and you didnt get 360 in a minute. do that now.
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages.
Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you.
Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
225
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:43:00 -
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Wow... CCP... I know you want to make a position for the new weapons, but... seriously? The assault rifles get a tiny little damage nerf, yet you cut the scrambler pistol's ROF by nearly half? WTF is wrong with you people Even the SMG didn't get hit this hard! *Sighs* So much for my beloved... I guess I'm glad I only bought 125 Carthums... 
And for those saying "Well, you can't even fire that fast" take a weapon like the Tac rifle or even a standard scrambler pistol and tell me you can't feel a difference. It feels much smoother.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3313
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:44:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Thanks for the heads up. I was hoping it had escaped CCP's notice, but alas.... one more weapon looses out to the Magsec before it ever even get's released....
It looks like most of the ScP still have better DPS and very similar range to the Magsec. The Magsec wins with damage potential per clip which seems to be the domain of the SMG class weapons over pistols. Unless I messed something up the Breach pistol is just worthless though but Bojo may disagree on that point.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
588
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:55:00 -
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My highest specced sidearm...
Well, I shall reclaim my dual pistol suit and go out in a blaze of glory this week. It's rather rusty, that glory, but, it shall be fun.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
597
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:13:00 -
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Meh the hit detection on scp seemed wonky if I got anywhere near the max rof. Should actually keep me hitting my target more and more headshots. ScP is still the best CQ gun |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
4705
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:15:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. dps calculations are pretty meaningless on a single shot weapon with a rate of fire faster then you can pull the trigger.
I over clock 750 in COD. I over sample like a Mofo. That is totally possible.
Once in COD BO my gun "jammed" because I over sampeled. Pulled out my Python and finished up.
I still over sample guns like the TAR.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
7538
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:29:00 -
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Ion Pistol still worse.
That's... just wow
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
4829
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Posted - 2014.03.19 13:30:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:So, checking some values from the old and new SDE, you can find the spreadsheets for comparison in my signature, the scrambler pistol has received about 25-30% reduction to it's ROF.
The DPS on carthum assault pistol dropped from 770 down to 420.
I really love the pistol but this makes me slightly sad, I guess you'll have to land more headshots now and take a little more time aiming.
Anyway, this was just a friendly service as this info was missing from the patch notes.
I'm honestly okay with this. I've been using the Assault ones for a while, and you just annihilate anything in your way before they can even try and defend themselves.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
1221
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:So, checking some values from the old and new SDE, you can find the spreadsheets for comparison in my signature, the scrambler pistol has received about 25-30% reduction to it's ROF.
The DPS on carthum assault pistol dropped from 770 down to 420.
I really love the pistol but this makes me slightly sad, I guess you'll have to land more headshots now and take a little more time aiming.
Anyway, this was just a friendly service as this info was missing from the patch notes. I'm honestly okay with this. I've been using the Assault ones for a while, and you just annihilate anything in your way before they can even try and defend themselves.
That can be said for most weapons, the difference being the ScP required a modicum of skill. |
Ninja Troll
General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:49:00 -
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Mieli Sydan wrote:Looking into the data, it's actually worse than initially thought. It's not a flat % nerf; instead, all ScPs of a given variant have been given the same ROF, like so:
Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol
526.32 ---> 301.51 RPM
(771.94 ---> 442.21 DPS, 43% nerf)
Yeah this is the new RoF that I got.
Not sure where 420 came from in OP.
Although thanks to everyone for finding this.
SG Scout. I enjoy killing Heavies, Snipers, and Scanemies
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
330
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:54:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:so rifles, which were widely known as the most OP weapons in the game get a peak nerf of 20-30%, but a sidearm that pretty much no one even considered OP is getting almost a 50% nerf to it's DPS?
seems like we have a case of CCP Logic here. Im glad I only have level 1
I had prof 4 T_T why ccp... Why?!
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3558
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:59:00 -
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The ROF is the lnly reason I took them above level 3.
This isn't a f*cking balancing issue, it's a "have to make the new stuff OP or people won't buy boosters" issue.
No.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
230
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:04:00 -
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Its a good move.
Only things left will are the nerf for MagSec and possibly a slight buff for Flaylock and tweak of Bolt Pistol if the recoil is negligible.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2752
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:06:00 -
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Good, I'm tired of seeing a explosion of TT3 rounds flying at me.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
849
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:21:00 -
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It's always seemed rather odd to me that a sidearm can shoot 12 rounds per second, and I wonder just how many users of this weapon are really firing it that fast -- and thus I wonder just how valid the QQ is in this thread.
Numbers are one thing, in-game experience another. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3319
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Ion Pistol still worse.
That's... just wow
I know, right? Anybody that dies to an Ion Pistol should feel bad and just go hide in the MCC.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Cyrius Li-Moody
4055
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:23:00 -
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Well guys, looks like you'll no longer see me in a pistol and knife fit. :(
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Villanor Aquarius
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
148
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:46:00 -
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The scrambler pistol was over powered it just wasn't that popular. This change is good in putting it in line with other weapons. It's still very powerful when shot near it's max rate of fire and it still has the highest headshot damage multiplier with un touched raw damage. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3559
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:59:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. dps calculations are pretty meaningless on a single shot weapon with a rate of fire faster then you can pull the trigger.
Do you use them?
No.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1737
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:00:00 -
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Two words: Ion Pistol
Drop it like its hat.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3559
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:00:00 -
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Villanor Aquarius wrote:The scrambler pistol was over powered it just wasn't that popular. This change is good in putting it in line with other weapons. It's still very powerful when shot near it's max rate of fire and it still has the highest headshot damage multiplier with un touched raw damage.
If by "in line" you mean "everybody get behind the magsec" then you're right.
No.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3559
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:02:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:It's always seemed rather odd to me that a sidearm can shoot 12 rounds per second, and I wonder just how many users of this weapon are really firing it that fast -- and thus I wonder just how valid the QQ is in this thread.
Numbers are one thing, in-game experience another.
Try out the Carthum alongside the regular. You're right, in-game experience says far more than a trigger pull calculation. The difference is vast.
No.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1088
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:07:00 -
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Scrambler pistol still has higher DPS than the ion pistol lol |
Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
326
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:07:00 -
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and here i am supporting ccp looking for the silver lining then they go and nerf the weapon I've been using since day 1 for no apparent reason and rob me of my 2 million sp dew to hard freezing, black screens, and fatal errors causing me to restart my ps3 mid match which apparently made them not count towards the event
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1089
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:20:00 -
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SPESHULz wrote:sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. dps calculations are pretty meaningless on a single shot weapon with a rate of fire faster then you can pull the trigger.
Not sure if troll or idiot
I can break 700 RPM easily |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12331
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:21:00 -
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I only have ScP to 3 and those things are brutal. I don't even aim for the head half the time since you can just blast down even heavies with a few rapid chest shots.
My gut tells me it will be fine.
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Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
357
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:23:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:So not only do I have to relearn the ****** rof on the shotgun in 1.8 ive also got to relearn the rhythm for the scrp..
Yup
I feel I'm being punished for gloating; I originally thought everything I'm specced into is 1.8 proof.
The main two reasons this bothers me is that
1) the RR/CR 'nerf' in reality just means I will continue to be outgunned at pretty much any range by a CR/RR - it's just I will have about 0.5 secs longer to think 'I should just spec into CR...'
2) The MagSec is clearly at a level where we know it will only get nerfed later on. I honestly believe now that CCP does this sort of thing intentionally - there must be some sort of advantage to them to over buff/nerf weapons in such an indelicate way.
The Ghost of Bravo
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