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Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1157	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:19:00 - [1] - Quote So, checking some values from the old and new SDE, you can find the spreadsheets for comparison in my signature, the scrambler pistol has received about 25-30% reduction to it's ROF. The DPS on carthum assault pistol dropped from 770 down to 420. I really love the pistol but this makes me slightly sad, I guess you'll have to land more headshots now and take a little more time aiming. Anyway, this was just a friendly service as this info was missing from the patch notes. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 562	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:28:00 - [2] - Quote Wow. I don't think I ever had any issues with or felt that those were OP at all. Maybe it's part of the cloak balance? I could see stealth scram pistol headshots being pretty brutal.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 237	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:32:00 - [3] - Quote I was worried this would be happening. Add this with how hard the proficiency change will affect it and yet again we get a case of an old weapon being hugely overshadowed by new weapons. Honestly this cycle of how they "balance" has gotten old.
Kosakai ZionTCD 23	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:33:00 - [4] - Quote noooo SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED FORGE GUN LOVER TANK HUNTER
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1077	Posted - 2014.03.19 09:36:00 - [5] - Quote What the hell? They nerfed the RoF of the scrambler pistol too? If that is the case - I am seriously getting annoyed with these stealth nerfs. The shotgun took a hit and now the scrambler pistol too? CCP what the hell are you doing? Investigate 9/11
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1884	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:09:00 - [6] - Quote Huh so the description of the Ion pistol's advantages being a higher ROF is actually true with this change. Shame the ScP gets a nerf for it though the only people who do well with them that I have seen are those who can land consistent headshots. Although it does put it more inline with the Ion pistol and gives you a choice of low dam high rof pistol or low rof high dam pistol instead of having one be vastly superior to the other. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Mieli Sydan Ultramarine Corp 32	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:15:00 - [7] - Quote Looking into the data, it's actually worse than initially thought. It's not a flat % nerf; instead, all ScPs of a given variant have been given the same ROF, like so: Non-Variant 285.71 RPM Breach 133.33 RPM (unchanged) Assault 301.51 RPM Burst 476.19 RPM With the exception of Breach pistols, all pistols in each tier have been nerfed by the same amount: MLT/STD: 29% reduction to DPS ADV: 36% reduction to DPS PRO: 43% reduction to DPS These numbers seem insane. All ScPs save for the Breach variants have gotten a MASSIVE nerf in 1.8, at least almost twice as much as any of the rifles. The proto variants have had their DPS almost halved. I'm a little angry that this hasn't been mentioned at all in the dev blogs, when it is by far the biggest weapon change coming in 1.8. I didn't even know that the ScP was a problem. When has anybody ever complained about the scrambler pistol being OP? A more comprehensive breakdown of the ROF and DPS changes for each ScP: Militia Scrambler Pistol & Scrambler Pistol 400 ---> 285.71 RPM (533.33 ---> 380.95 DPS, 29% nerf) Assault Scrambler Pistol 422.54 ---> 301.51 RPM (563.39 ---> 402.01 DPS, 29% nerf) Breach Scrambler Pistol 133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM (DPS unchanged) KLO-1 Scrambler Pistol 444.44 ---> 285.71 RPM (622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf) TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol 468.75 ---> 301.51 RPM (656.25 ---> 422.11 DPS, 36% nerf) TY-5 Breach Scrambler Pistol 133.33 ---> 133.33 RPM (DPS unchanged) CAR-9 Burst ScP 740.74 ---> 476.19 RPM (622.22 ---> 400 DPS, 36% nerf) Viziam Scrambler Pistol 500 ---> 285.71 RPM (733.33 ---> 419.04 DPS, 43% nerf) Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol 526.32 ---> 301.51 RPM (771.94 ---> 442.21 DPS, 43% nerf) (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2412	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:17:00 - [8] - Quote Please clarify - is this ALL scrambler pistols? Or just the assaults? If they touch my breach, I'm going postal! edit - phew, just saw the post above me after I posted. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2118	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:25:00 - [9] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Huh so the description of the Ion pistol's advantages being a higher ROF is actually true with this change. Shame the ScP gets a nerf for it though the only people who do well with them that I have seen are those who can land consistent headshots. Although it does put it more inline with the Ion pistol and gives you a choice of low dam high rof pistol or low rof high dam pistol instead of having one be vastly superior to the other. It's safe to say any side arm is vastly superior to the IoP... For the Federation!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2242	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:29:00 - [10] - Quote I was wondering. When the devblog said that the ion pistol had a faster RoF than the scrambler, at that point it wasn't true.

Exodeon Salviej The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 64	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:35:00 - [11] - Quote Ouch, most of the people who gunned me down with ScP's had my kudos for their headshotting skills. I find it an utter pain in the ass to get headshots, and I never really thought they were OP, lol. But, at least now I won't have to complain when I get three-two shotted by one while at full health. Now it's probably gonna be, "Are you serious, a fricken magsec?!" Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone. Commandoooo punch! >:D
noob cavman Expert Intervention Caldari State 829	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:36:00 - [12] - Quote So not only do I have to relearn the ****** rof on the shotgun in 1.8 ive also got to relearn the rhythm for the scrp.. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK British ninja cowboy scout, logi, heavy
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 780	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:39:00 - [13] - Quote That's really disappointing. The scrambler pistol was balanced around skill and ammo, but could be run as a primary weapon in the right hands. The RoF nerf harms it's effectiveness as a main. Sad to see an alternative to the omnipresent rifle getting hit. Knowledge is power
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2120	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:49:00 - [14] - Quote Brokerib wrote: That's really disappointing. The scrambler pistol was balanced around skill and ammo, but could be run as a primary weapon in the right hands. The RoF nerf harms it's effectiveness as a main. Sad to see an alternative to the omnipresent rifle getting hit. You still have the Magsec :) For the Federation!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1081	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:50:00 - [15] - Quote I'm actually a little bit cheesed off about 1.8 now. Nothing was said about changes to the scrambler pistol. The RoF nerf for the shotgun was sort of a stealth nerf too. What else should we be aware of CCP? Basically every weapon that needed a nerf is getting off lightly while other weapons that needed an improvement are being hit the hardest. The HMG whine threads actually have more of a point now than ever. Not that I think HMG`s will be too op or anything but I fail to see why they got off this nerfing hook while pretty much every other weapon in one way or another has recently or IS BEING nerfed? I can only hope CCP will tweak things soon after. More now than ever - the answer is going to be remote explosives..... Investigate 9/11
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3310	Posted - 2014.03.19 10:57:00 - [16] - Quote The ScP was really too awesome. I'm not surprised it's been dialed back. It had a good long run though. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 423	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:08:00 - [17] - Quote Oh well cloaked gallante scout with a masdriver and a magsec here I go. It's going to be AWSOME lol War never changes
castba Penguin's March 340	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:08:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The ScP was really too awesome. I'm not surprised it's been dialed back. It had a good long run though. Agreed. Now I am waiting for hmg to go back to the 2000 & 4000 rof.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1759	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:09:00 - [19] - Quote so rifles, which were widely known as the most OP weapons in the game get a peak nerf of 20-30%, but a sidearm that pretty much no one even considered OP is getting almost a 50% nerf to it's DPS? seems like we have a case of CCP Logic here. Anime > EVERYTHING
jerrmy12 kahoalii 552	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:11:00 - [20] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: so rifles, which were widely known as the most OP weapons in the game get a peak nerf of 20-30%, but a sidearm that pretty much no one even considered OP is getting almost a 50% nerf to it's DPS? seems like we have a case of CCP Logic here. Im glad I only have level 1 Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2122	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:14:00 - [21] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: so rifles, which were widely known as the most OP weapons in the game get a peak nerf of 20-30%, but a sidearm that pretty much no one even considered OP is getting almost a 50% nerf to it's DPS? seems like we have a case of CCP Logic here. It still has the best DPS, although compared to an smg the smg is the better choice. For the Federation!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1649	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:17:00 - [22] - Quote CCP, I HATE YOU FOR RUINING MY FAVORITE SIDEARM! Just kidding. I main the TY-5 Breach on my dual pistol fitting so I'm used to a crappy RoF.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4704	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:19:00 - [23] - Quote Sea Sea Pea, you make it hard to support you. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2415	Posted - 2014.03.19 11:40:00 - [24] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: so rifles, which were widely known as the most OP weapons in the game get a peak nerf of 20-30%, but a sidearm that pretty much no one even considered OP is getting almost a 50% nerf to it's DPS? seems like we have a case of CCP Logic here. This is why having CCP Logic Loop around was a good thing Nah, just punning - he was great n all but had nothing to do with this stuff. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3313	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:14:00 - [25] - Quote After updating my 1.8 numbers with this new data the Scrambler Pistol is a lot closer to the other pistols with the Bolt Pistol having longer range but somewhat lower damage. The Ion Pistol has the lowest damage output and the worst range, keeping the Gallente infantry tradition alive. The Ion does have the potential to do over 350 damage in a single shot with a single unit of ammo but then suffers from debilitating cool down. I'm still curious how the Bolt Pistol will handle though. The initial charge versus charge per shot thing could make it much weaker than the numbers are showing. I guess I'll try it out on the 25th to see its real behavior. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1259	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:14:00 - [26] - Quote Any change to the IA5 Tactical? I didn't see you mention it. MAG ~ Raven
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1171	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:18:00 - [27] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Any change to the IA5 Tactical? I didn't see you mention it. It got an additional shot in the clip, effective range added by 2m, ROF dropped by 167 RPM. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1259	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:21:00 - [28] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Any change to the IA5 Tactical? I didn't see you mention it. It got an additional shot in the clip, effective range added by 2m, ROF dropped by 167 RPM. Thanks for the heads up. I was hoping it had escaped CCP's notice, but alas.... one more weapon looses out to the Magsec before it ever even get's released.... MAG ~ Raven
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 45	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:24:00 - [29] - Quote sorry but only way you are shooting 426rpm or even 300 with a scrambler pistol is with a turbo controller. this isnt a nerf. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4031	Posted - 2014.03.19 12:27:00 - [30] - Quote Wow, after seeing this I truly hate CCP now. Apparently TTK needed to be raised so much that they nerfed a weapon that didn't need it. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.



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